Russian special military operation in Ukraine #3

flamming_python wrote:Support what

Why the **** am I having to message a girl I know in Kiev on what to do and how to keep safe, and trying to keep her calm, that there won't be an all-out urban assault on the city?

I am no coward but I have to know what I'm fighting for. Everybody does at the end of the day.

I'm sorry none of this stuff was ever a good idea. And even if Russia caps the head Nazis and leaves - what then. You'll have a bunch of new ones.

Russia has to keep its objectives realistic. Regime change and nation-building aren't realistic. Neither is anything that leads to any kind of campaign longer than a week.

Yeah you are just proving him true.

The road out of the plantation took Russia here, or did you expect the West would just ask you kindly whether you wanted to be enslaved and finished off? If you want to get out of the lethal trap the West has set for you, you will need to fight, confront challenges and do things you would prefer not doing ffs...

miketheterrible wrote:Regarding what you edited into your post:

Russias plans seem simple enough, they will take eastern Ukraine. They will hand it off to DNR and LNR which I doubt will be separate but be the recreation of Novorussia.  They will stay in and assist in denazification.

The neutral part is testing the waters to see if Ukies will bite. They didn't. They decided to play hardball.

Above is not solving the problem declared by RU: NATO, Demilitarisation and De-Nazification of UA.
If you do not close and annex the western border you are just kicking the can down the road.

In order to have lasting solution (I don't believe in paper agreements as they mean juck crap) UA can't border with any NATO state.
Feel free to disagree  

Arkanghelsk wrote:Flaming , sorry they are scare

But at the end of the day, its gonna be how it is

Am sorry for your family or relatives there, hope noone get hurt

But this has affected so many more people, and yes it must affect Kiev to finish this

The pain is harsh at the beginning but it will go away, healing will come

It takes time , everyone jumpy , but Russia is gonna be better and bigger after this

Its gonna be good man, praise guys doing work



Keep Working guys

The wise words the guys from the Duran said. Things will be tough economically in Russia for short period of time, but the west all threw their cards on the table and this is it, Russia will have all the time to adjust and build itself up. Even if China and India cower out (which they wont), Russia is so big and so full of resources and talent, they will strive like they did before. They are effectively free now. No more western burden.

What's funny, this is exactly why the federal reserve and the central banks in Europe kept telling their incompetent leaders not to push these sanctions. Because the leaders in their hysterics and incompetence, just effectively killed the unipolar world idea they wanted. Now we will see Chinas and Indias growth to dominance.

Kriva wrote:Regarding what you edited into your post:

Russias plans seem simple enough, they will take eastern Ukraine. They will hand it off to DNR and LNR which I doubt will be separate but be the recreation of Novorussia.  They will stay in and assist in denazification.

The neutral part is testing the waters to see if Ukies will bite. They didn't. They decided to play hardball.

Above is not solving the problem declared by RU: NATO, Demilitarisation and De-Nazification of UA.
If you do not close and annex the western border you are just kicking the can down the road.

In order to have lasting solution (I don't believe in paper agreements as they mean juck crap) UA can't border with any NATO state.
Feel free to disagree   [/quote]

It's fine, we can disagree. I agree to an extent - they need to be more proactive at closing the border. Now it is partially closed between east and west Ukraine but of course not to Europe. Issue is, the main drive is to force out or defeat the majority of forces which are in Donbass region. We are talking roughly about 70K soldiers here. So between Russia and the DNR and LNR forces, they created a cauldron to surround the Ukrainian forces, and are now slowly squeezing them. Now they are completely blocked off in Mariupol. Kherson as well. Once these forces are defeated, the bulk of what is left (very little) of Ukraines forces then can be concentrated on, and that's out west. At that point, Russian forces along with rebels would have now met up, lands taken in between and both can march forward. Kiev is surrounded to put ultimate pressure on the government and the Russians won't move in, at least not yet. Not till the other two cities are fully captured.

The block off of border will move westward.

Ukraine in the end will be two states - west which is Lviv, can go to Europe. East will be Novorussia.

This is my assumption based on what we are seeing.

JohninMK wrote:Poles and Ukrainians playing a dangerous game. Especially if they operate the Migs directly out of Poland.

Imagine if a Russian jet is chasing a Ukrainian MiG back to Poland and they get shot down around Polish air space.


Gerjon | חריון@Gerjon_ · 2h

Part of the Ukraine Air Force cargo fleet spotted on ️Sentinel-2 imagery of Dęblin Air Base, Poland, today 28 Feb.

We know at least 4 Il-76s flew there. Russian planes registers show they operate 7. At ±40 m long/wide, some seem a little small. No aircraft there on 13 Feb.  twitter.com/vcdgf555/statu…

Russian officials already said the planes will be shot down as soon as they enter Ukraine.

One question: the
BMPT Terminator are being used on offense? I understand that they are special for urban environments

flamming_python wrote:

Why the **** am I having to message a girl I know in Kiev on what to do and how to keep safe, and trying to keep her calm, that there won't be an all-out urban assault on the city?

Sorry about that, it seems plenty of people has relatives on both sides. The humanitarian corridor is open in Kiev, can she go westwards or to Russia, is that true?

d_taddei2 wrote:In the latest Russian MOD report a total of 81 S-300 destroyed can't be many left.

They mentioned other SAMs among those numbers, not only S-300

ArgentinaGuard wrote:One question: the
BMPT Terminator are being used on offense? I understand that they are special for urban environments

Russia doesn't have these in active units. They only have a couple of them.

miketheterrible wrote:Russian officials already said the planes will be shot down as soon as they enter Ukraine.

Got a link to that?

flamming_python wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Russia has to keep its objectives realistic. Regime change and nation-building aren't realistic. Neither is anything that leads to any kind of campaign longer than a week.

How do you know what capabilities are and objectives of new campaign? Im really curious. Seems you know something Russian side doesn't.

I don't know. And neither do you

Precisely, that's why whatever you say is just speculating then we can agree. As for Russian objective for this campaign we do not know really but assuming Russian leadership is stupid not knowing how to plan something planned for years now? Or waging outcomes. They choose just the best option form all they had.



And I'm sorry to hear your relatives are in Kiev. I had auntie in Belgrade in 99. All the best for relatives.

"Nuclear triad" of Russia began combat duty with reinforced staff

"The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation , General of the Army Sergei Shoigu , reported to the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, that in accordance with his order, shifts on duty at the command posts of the Strategic Missile Forces , the Northern and Pacific Fleets, and the Long-Range Aviation Command began to carry out combat duty with reinforced personnel" , - said in the military department.

https://ria.ru/20220228/shoygu-1775575159.html

kvs wrote:So NATzO is preparing an insurgency campaign from the west.   There is a steady stream of NATzO transport aircraft delivering
weapons to the border of Ukraine.   They pulled exactly the same shtick after 1945.    NATzO thinks it can organize an Afghanistan
for Russia.  

I think the Russian government knew exactly the consequences of this operation.   It would sever links to the west and the decision
to act was not taken lightly.   Various NATzO blowhard "analysts" try to project all sorts of madness onto Putin.   The usual 1984
hate fest focused on the demonized leader of the "other".   NATzO was not going to stop trying to destroy Russia.   The regime
change efforts would be ongoing and NATzO would install its offensive missile assets in Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan.   The
pattern is crystal clear.

This operation is a battle against NATzO which may expand.   NATzO is run by child rapist degenerate freaks who are not quite
attached to reality.   They think that they make reality.  

100% in agreement, and think its remarkable that so many posters don't seem to understand that the anti-Russian hysteria of the Western ruling classes is not a new thing, but its just the mask finally being taken off and the hate-filled Russophobe racist attitudes no longer being concealed.

US/EU/NATO have always intended to destroy Russia, but they planned to do it over decades by subjecting Russia to a multi-pronged war of attrition using (a) a soft-power culture war, finance, economics, propaganda, and (b) sapping Russia by the promotion of conflicts around her periphery to cause chaos and strip her of friends and allies.

Does anyone really think that the Ukraine colonization project and the recent (failed) color revolution attempts in Belarus and Kazahkstan are somehow unrelated? Or the long line of false flag political attacks like MH17, Skripals, Navalny, Syrian "CW attacks", state-sponsored doping allegations, Putins mythical billions, etc etc?

Western elites are in full hysterical retard mode cuz Russia has finally broken cover and is acting to block the Empire.  They fear the consequences of what will happen if Russia can block EUNATO expansion, especially if, as it will, include the breaking of the Western monopoly control of international finance.  Russia breaking free of the Wests stranglehold over her finances and economic growth will be death knell of their dirty little extortion game, and they greatly fear the yawning black bottomless pit of economic collapse that awaits them when their house of cards (USD) finally collapses.

Ignore the shrieking of the hate-spew merchants.  Ignore the dumbassery of the brain-dead mouth-breathing consumer herd that are plugged into Twatter, FB et al  and the other organs of the Western lie-machine.  That shit doesn't translate to victories on the ground.

As Kenny Rogers said it so perfectly - "There'll be time enough for counting (bodies) when the deal is done".  

thegopnik wrote:our trolls favorite news. https://tass.com/economy/1413621

Why trolls? I am not sure it's related to sanctions, but maybe it could be?
(happy merchants rubbing hands.jpg)

I don't think anyone is sad about this news, needed some positivity today.

JohninMK wrote:Someone with time on their hands. Can't remember the name of the other site doing this


C O U P S U R E
@COUPSURE
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2h
.@oryxspioenkop
is currently counting the number of Russian equipment losses in the ongoing invasion of Ukraine using open source intelligence. Excellent work.

Oryx
@oryxspioenkop
Visually confirmed Russian equipment losses sustained during the country's invasion of Ukraine now stand at 300.

I'm about 100 losses behind, many of which I hope to add tonight.

Full list: https://oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack

https://lostarmour.info/armour/ is also a good site, but it takes them longer time to confirm. They are more accurate and geolocate and record chassis numbers if possible.

miketheterrible wrote:

Kriva wrote:Regarding what you edited into your post:

Russias plans seem simple enough, they will take eastern Ukraine. They will hand it off to DNR and LNR which I doubt will be separate but be the recreation of Novorussia.  They will stay in and assist in denazification.

The neutral part is testing the waters to see if Ukies will bite. They didn't. They decided to play hardball.

Above is not solving the problem declared by RU: NATO, Demilitarisation and De-Nazification of UA.
If you do not close and annex the western border you are just kicking the can down the road.

In order to have lasting solution (I don't believe in paper agreements as they mean juck crap) UA can't border with any NATO state.
Feel free to disagree  

It's fine, we can disagree. I agree to an extent - they need to be more proactive at closing the border.  Now it is partially closed between east and west Ukraine but of course not to Europe.  Issue is, the main drive is to force out or defeat the majority of forces which are in Donbass region. We are talking roughly about 70K soldiers here. So between Russia and the DNR and LNR forces, they created a cauldron to surround the Ukrainian forces, and are now slowly squeezing them. Now they are completely blocked off in Mariupol.  Kherson as well.  Once these forces are defeated, the bulk of what is left (very little) of Ukraines forces then can be concentrated on, and that's out west. At that point, Russian forces along with rebels would have now met up, lands taken in between and both can march forward.  Kiev is surrounded to put ultimate pressure on the government and the Russians won't move in, at least not yet. Not till the other two cities are fully captured.

The block off of border will move westward.

Ukraine in the end will be two states - west which is Lviv, can go to Europe. East will be Novorussia.

This is my assumption based on what we are seeing.[/quote]


"Ukraine in the end will be two states - west which is Lviv, can go to Europe. East will be Novorussia."

That doesn't solve the problem does it?
NATO would be approximately 450km further west.

Containment is critical and you can't say you have contained the problem by eliminating 50% of the issues.

JohninMK wrote:Someone with time on their hands. Can't remember the name of the other site doing this

I'd say most of this data is from western intel just Ukrainians are just  publishing.  BTW i don't think they split against LPR/DPR  tanks and Russian tanks.

The Russian army destroyed more than 1,100 military facilities in Ukraine Konashenkov: the Russian army destroyed 1114 military infrastruc

https://ria.ru/20220228/ukraina-1775496216.html

"In total, since the beginning of the operation, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have hit 1,114 objects of the military infrastructure of Ukraine . Of these, 31 command posts and a communication center of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ," the major general said.
"314 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 57 multiple rocket launchers, 121 field artillery and mortars, 274 units of special military vehicles were destroyed," the representative added.

[/quote]

miketheterrible wrote:
The wise words the guys from the Duran said.  Things will be tough economically in Russia for short period of time, but the west all threw their cards on the table and this is it, Russia will have all the time to adjust and build itself up. Even if China and India cower out (which they wont), Russia is so big and so full of resources and talent, they will strive like they did before.  They are effectively free now. No more western burden.

What's funny, this is exactly why the federal reserve and the central banks in Europe kept telling their incompetent leaders not to push these sanctions. Because the leaders in their hysterics and incompetence, just effectively killed the unipolar world idea they wanted.  Now we will see Chinas and Indias growth to dominance.

Bingo, and this is the big earth-shattering event that the Western plebs (and some of our dumber "elites") are missing as they continue to spray spittle on their laptops as they angrily punch keys and repeat the nonsense of Banderite clowns.

China is in Russias corner. Russia is the key to their security and strategic defense-in-depth. They will never abandon the Russian bear to be dragged down by the Western jackals as they know that the next target will be the Dragon, and the Chinese have long memories of what happened to the last Imperial dynasty and the century of humiliation that followed.

Monday will be interesting as the west has openly declared that they intend to massively attack the ruble with the expectation that its value will collapse. I fully expect that the Chinese will be waiting in the wings to take advantage of the buyers market to stock up on oodles of cheap rubles that they can then use on their trade with Russia. The ruble will fall because markets behave like teenage girls, but it will rebound quickly, and won't be anything like the cataclysm that so many Russophobe lunatics in the West are salivating over.

Situation is dire for Ukropia

Zaporizhia has got massive grouping to the east

The Ukropians near izium gave up position, they are getting shelled at kramatorsk,  LNR pushes from severodonetsk to slavyansk

The grouping near kiev is has arrived to the east, kiev is nearly blocked, and the west also

Only the southern approaches are still clear

In all, they have nearly reached the Dnieper near Kiev, the whole flank has folded in north

Those southern units, I have no idea what they will do near kramatorsk, theyre basically effed if they dont surrender, it's a lot of funerals

Either way the Dnieper river is like a natural sealer for the cauldron

This show is almost over guys