Russian special military operation in Ukraine #6

Arkanghelsk wrote:


Load of firepower, the west of Ukraine is beginning to fall

The generals in charge there should be jailed.

1 week ago a tochka hit similar airfield and they lost aircraft. Here you can see that 1 tochka would destroy all of those su-35 or if it fall on the other side of the patking area the A-50s.

They are really stupid sometime. Paking them 20m one the from the other is a stupid move that require not effort but that would save plenty of aircraft in case of an attack.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Aristide wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:French nuclear force is not enough to glass Russia with S500 ABM and Nudol system

Russia is getting protected from nuclear attack because it anticipates the west growing erratic from its total defeat in europe

So should we have to use avangard to decapitate Paris, nothing will hit Russia

Btw Nabuillina is shown as hero here already. The damage she did to our enemy from within is enormous.

At 130 per barrel of oil, niabullinas efforts were perfectly negated by Joe Biden and the EU parliament lmfao

I think your gov is paying 1 billion to us daily , but only in rubles please

Which means thanks to Elvira Russia works over one year for free. Crazy

Isos wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:


Load of firepower, the west of Ukraine is beginning to fall

The generals in charge there should be jailed.

1 week ago a tochka hit similar airfield and they lost aircraft. Here you can see that 1 tochka would destroy all of those su-35 or if it fall on the other side of the patking area the A-50s.

They are really stupid sometime. Paking them 20m one the from the other is a stupid move that require not effort but that would save plenty of aircraft in case of an attack.

I think they learned by probably having ad systems

https://twitter.com/i/status/1502382383584141323
Video of ATGM ambush on Russian convoy.

It shows real dangers to be in ATGM team as well as dangers of such ambushes. Most likely NLAW was used as it hit the roof of the tank and part of the rocket hit the ground much further.

Return fire was instant, BMP-2 autocannon then tank fire.

Isos wrote:

The generals in charge there should be jailed.

1 week ago a tochka hit similar airfield and they lost aircraft. Here you can see that 1 tochka would destroy all of those su-35 or if it fall on the other side of the patking area the A-50s.

They are really stupid sometime. Paking them 20m one the from the other is a stupid move that require not effort but that would save plenty of aircraft in case of an attack.

Cared to check where Baranovichi base is located?

Regular wrote:https://twitter.com/i/status/1502382383584141323
Video of ATGM ambush on Russian convoy.

It shows real dangers to be in ATGM team as well as dangers of such ambushes. Most likely NLAW was used as it hit the roof of the tank and part of the rocket hit the ground much further.

Return fire was instant, BMP-2 autocannon then tank fire.

Is there any clue of that?
The pics does not match the film.
In the film we see that a tank hit, rolls towards, perfect coordination of assisting vehicles, dismounting the troops, and returning fire on the spot.
None of the presented junk is even from the scene.
A piece of primitive Ukr propaganda

Aristide wrote:

The "Caliphate of Paris" as you call it, has a 29 times higher average income than the islamic chechen slum of Moscow. Infact even Romania has a 3 times higher income than Russia.

You should not forget, that Russia is a verympoor country with very low living standards.

Come on.
You are trading Dogecoins and of course that inflates the numbers. Russia builds the longest bridge on European continent in three years. It has been decades and decades since anyone in the west has executed megaprojects of similar scale. That puts the real industrial and economic capabilities in scale. Today only China can do even bigger than Russia.

Russian army enters Paris

Urluber wrote:

Aristide wrote:

The "Caliphate of Paris" as you call it, has a 29 times higher average income than the islamic chechen slum of Moscow. Infact even Romania has a 3 times higher income than Russia.

You should not forget, that Russia is a verympoor country with very low living standards.

Come on.
You are trading Dogecoins and of course that inflates the numbers. Russia builds the longest bridge on European continent in three years. It has been decades and decades since anyone in the west has executed megaprojects of similar scale. That puts the real industrial and economic capabilities in scale. Today only China can do even bigger than Russia.

Russian army enters Paris

You obviously dont know Europe. We build mega bridges evry year. Infact its a main business of a french company

Arkanghelsk wrote:Biden personally banned the transfer of MiG-29 fighters to Ukraine, fearing to anger Putin - The Wall Street Journal

Lolololol

To late.

Isos wrote:
The generals in charge there should be jailed.

1 week ago a tochka hit similar airfield and they lost aircraft. Here you can see that 1 tochka would destroy all of those su-35 or if it fall on the other side of the patking area the A-50s.

They are really stupid sometime. Paking them 20m one the from the other is a stupid move that require not effort but that would save plenty of aircraft in case of an attack.

Had Ukraine has Grom they can do that and from much safer distance. With Tochka tho.. their launcher must be Inside Belarus to target the Baranovichi airbase.

ALAMO wrote:

Regular wrote:https://twitter.com/i/status/1502382383584141323
Video of ATGM ambush on Russian convoy.

It shows real dangers to be in ATGM team as well as dangers of such ambushes. Most likely NLAW was used as it hit the roof of the tank and part of the rocket hit the ground much further.

Return fire was instant, BMP-2 autocannon then tank fire.

 
Is there any clue of that?
The pics does not match the film.
In the film we see that a tank hit, rolls towards, perfect coordination of assisting vehicles, dismounting the troops, and returning fire on the spot.
None of the presented junk is even from the scene.
A piece of primitive Ukr propaganda  

Only one picture matches, the tank one, it doesn't show BTR destroyed, also it shows irrelevant drone footage, but so far that's what we got, I am not filming/editing them.
Even from this edit, you can see that ATGM crew was eliminated, look at the fire going their way. 0:52 they shot RPG at the Russian tank and it hit the front armor with no penetration.

Propaganda or not, that's an interesting footage, way too sophisticated for CGI work and they wouldn't show the elimination of 1 tank (almost all crew escaped) in exchange of AT team.

The generals in charge there should be jailed.

1 week ago a tochka hit similar airfield and they lost aircraft. Here you can see that 1 tochka would destroy all of those su-35 or if it fall on the other side of the patking area the A-50s.

They are really stupid sometime. Paking them 20m one the from the other is a stupid move that require not effort but that would save plenty of aircraft in case of an attack.

I don't think the base is within Tochka range from the Ukraine border.

Regular wrote:https://twitter.com/i/status/1502382383584141323
Video of ATGM ambush on Russian convoy.

It shows real dangers to be in ATGM team as well as dangers of such ambushes. Most likely NLAW was used as it hit the roof of the tank and part of the rocket hit the ground much further.

Return fire was instant, BMP-2 autocannon then tank fire.

Why aren't there russian troops walking by or on top of  the armored vehicles? Why cant thermal imagers detectwarm ukrainian bodies? There seems to be poor intel. They mustve thought they were in an already cleared area. Good job to the russian tankers who allegedly obliterated the RPG team.

ALAMO wrote:

Isos wrote:

The generals in charge there should be jailed.

1 week ago a tochka hit similar airfield and they lost aircraft. Here you can see that 1 tochka would destroy all of those su-35 or if it fall on the other side of the patking area the A-50s.

They are really stupid sometime. Paking them 20m one the from the other is a stupid move that require not effort but that would save plenty of aircraft in case of an attack.

Cared to check where Baranovichi base is located?

Regular wrote:https://twitter.com/i/status/1502382383584141323
Video of ATGM ambush on Russian convoy.

It shows real dangers to be in ATGM team as well as dangers of such ambushes. Most likely NLAW was used as it hit the roof of the tank and part of the rocket hit the ground much further.

Return fire was instant, BMP-2 autocannon then tank fire.

 
Is there any clue of that?
The pics does not match the film.
In the film we see that a tank hit, rolls towards, perfect coordination of assisting vehicles, dismounting the troops, and returning fire on the spot.
None of the presented junk is even from the scene.
A piece of primitive Ukr propaganda  

Baranovichi is 130km from the border with Mordor.
That video is posted on a known Orc propaganda page.

Isos wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:


Load of firepower, the west of Ukraine is beginning to fall

The generals in charge there should be jailed.

1 week ago a tochka hit similar airfield and they lost aircraft. Here you can see that 1 tochka would destroy all of those su-35 or if it fall on the other side of the patking area the A-50s.

They are really stupid sometime. Paking them 20m one the from the other is a stupid move that require not effort but that would save plenty of aircraft in case of an attack.

Launching a Tochka into Belarus would invite retaliation.

Arrow wrote:Russia has a total of over 6,000 nuclear warhead tacctical and strategic.  France around 300. Such a potential difference.  In addition, Russia has a huge amount of cruise missiles and other systems.

Cruise missiles dont seem to be much help for the Russians.

And arguing about who has most nukes is just stupid. "My gun fires 6000 bullets, you can only fire 300!" Both are fucking dead, who cares how many bullets you fire in total.

limb wrote:

Why aren't there russian troops walking by or on top of  the armored vehicles? Why cant thermal imagers detectwarm ukrainian bodies?

They were on top of the BMP, those were the guys who got injured/killed. It's super unsafe to be on the top of the vehicle.

Thermals on the move can't be used effectively, they are not drones, vision gets blocked, heat sources are all over the place too. Also, few vehicles have them. I think thermal optics also tend to overheat, so it can't be used 24/7. Not to mention, Ukrainians dig themselves into trenches and only peek out to engage. No chance to see them from ground level until they fire.

Let me mention Ukrainian ATGMs as well. For some reason, they are getting dismissed, but in my opinion they are more dangerous than Javelins in an ambush scenarios.

Why? They can be remotely controlled without exposing the crew to enemy fire.  Fire and forget is irrelevant here. Skif, Stugna, Shershen, corsair and etc. Plenty of videos of Ukrainians using them to snipe separatist positions and now Russian columns.

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Regular wrote:

limb wrote:

Why aren't there russian troops walking by or on top of  the armored vehicles? Why cant thermal imagers detectwarm ukrainian bodies?

They were on top of the BMP, those were the guys who got injured/killed. It's super unsafe to be on the top of the vehicle.

Thermals on the move can't be used effectively, they are not drones, vision gets blocked, heat sources are all over the place too. Also, few vehicles have them. I think thermal optics also tend to overheat, so it can't be used 24/7. Not to mention, Ukrainians dig themselves into trenches and only peek out to engage. No chance to see them from ground level until they fire.

Let me mention Ukrainian ATGMs as well. For some reason, they are getting dismissed, but in my opinion they are more dangerous than Javelins in an ambush scenarios.

Why? They can be remotely controlled without exposing the crew to enemy fire.  Fire and forget is irrelevant here. Skif, Stugna, Shershen, corsair and etc. Plenty of videos of Ukrainians using them to snipe separatist positions and now Russian columns.

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Do you think its a huge failure that most russian armored vehicles still aren't equipped with thermals despite so much investment during the 2010s rearmament program?

Also it seems like this war prooves that simply no substitute for APS capable of destroying both SACLOS ATGMs and lofted trajectory F&F top attack ATGMs?


I wonder how much APSs and thermal imagers the money wasted on the poseidon james bond villain torpedo would be able to buy

Regular wrote:

limb wrote:

Why aren't there russian troops walking by or on top of  the armored vehicles? Why cant thermal imagers detectwarm ukrainian bodies?

They were on top of the BMP, those were the guys who got injured/killed. It's super unsafe to be on the top of the vehicle.

Thermals on the move can't be used effectively, they are not drones, vision gets blocked, heat sources are all over the place too. Also, few vehicles have them. I think thermal optics also tend to overheat, so it can't be used 24/7. Not to mention, Ukrainians dig themselves into trenches and only peek out to engage. No chance to see them from ground level until they fire.

Let me mention Ukrainian ATGMs as well. For some reason, they are getting dismissed, but in my opinion they are more dangerous than Javelins in an ambush scenarios.

Why? They can be remotely controlled without exposing the crew to enemy fire.  Fire and forget is irrelevant here. Skif, Stugna, Shershen, corsair and etc. Plenty of videos of Ukrainians using them to snipe separatist positions and now Russian columns.

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All true, in this case I do not think it was a crewed missile, but a remote controlled one or it might even have been a off route AT mine. (a mine that fires into the side of a target) The firing point is so close it would be an obvious suicide to even an untrained ork. We used to teach some really sneaky shit one could do with a disposable m136 where we set them up on a tree beside the road and rigged the firing mechanism with fishing line as an improvised off route mine.

walle83 wrote:

Arrow wrote:Russia has a total of over 6,000 nuclear warhead tacctical and strategic.  France around 300. Such a potential difference.  In addition, Russia has a huge amount of cruise missiles and other systems.

Cruise missiles dont seem to be much help for the Russians.

And arguing about who has most nukes is just stupid. "My gun fires 6000 bullets, you can only fire 300!" Both are fucking dead, who cares how many bullets you fire in total.

How come?
IMO Russia has destroyed plenty of Kievan strategic targets by cruise missiles. They are hitting. And they are hitting hard. I would have liked to see the first day kind of hammering with cruise missiles for a week or two though. Then again, I'm in charge mainly of my armchair.

The nuke discussion is stupid indeed. Because everyone knows that only Russia and USA posses a real nuclear deterrence. With China catching up rapidly. Capabilities of for example France in this regard are somewhere around Pakistan maybe; sure, they can do plenty of damage nearby against unprotected targets but they are far from having true intercontinental, global strike capability.

The answer to IRGC troops in Ukraine ( against Azov ) , should be yes . Providing Iran can station an equal number of IRGC in Syria , near Golan , with ability to launch offensive operations against the Zionists . Getting rid of the Ukronazi and Zionazi at the same time !

Urluber wrote:

walle83 wrote:

Arrow wrote:Russia has a total of over 6,000 nuclear warhead tacctical and strategic.  France around 300. Such a potential difference.  In addition, Russia has a huge amount of cruise missiles and other systems.

Cruise missiles dont seem to be much help for the Russians.

And arguing about who has most nukes is just stupid. "My gun fires 6000 bullets, you can only fire 300!" Both are fucking dead, who cares how many bullets you fire in total.

How come?
IMO Russia has destroyed plenty of Kievan strategic targets by cruise missiles. They are hitting. And they are hitting hard. I would have liked to see the first day kind of hammering with cruise missiles for a week or two though. Then again, I'm in charge mainly of my armchair.

The nuke discussion is stupid indeed. Because everyone knows that only Russia and USA posses a real nuclear deterrence. With China catching up rapidly. Capabilities of for example France in this regard are somewhere around Pakistan maybe; sure, they can do plenty of damage nearby against unprotected targets but they are far from having true intercontinental, global strike capability.

You do realize that we have orbital rockets right?

As nuclear power France plain and simply is untouchable.

That said, we now plan to make entire EU nuclear to counter possible attacks from Russia. We are aware that Putin similar to Hitler dreams about conquering Europe. So far the french arsenal keeps us save but its better to stock it up. So far Poland and others support it and even Hippie Germany has woken up finally.

limb wrote:

Regular wrote:

Do you think its a huge failure that most russian armored vehicles still aren't equipped with thermals despite so much investment during the 2010s rearmament program?

Also it seems like this war prooves that simply no substitute for APS capable of destroying both SACLOS ATGMs and lofted trajectory F&F top attack ATGMs?


I wonder how much APSs and thermal imagers the money wasted on the poseidon james bond vill ain torpedo would be able to buy

Procurement failure? I don't know, most of the equipment so far seen in Ukraine is quite old, even T-72A tanks close to Kiev. Upgrading them with thermals and fire control systems will cost you more than these tanks. It would still not negate chances of ambush, it's not a desert country, plenty of places to ambush. Remotely controlled ATGMs and penetrator mines would still be a problem, even if every single tank had a drone above their heads. It's just reality. I will not comment about the rearmament program, Russian army still needs to upgrade their metal bits, infantry guys are well equipped at least.

And yes, APS would be god-sent here, I bet it would stop soldiers from riding on top of the vehicles due to shrapnel, but most of the threats would be addressed.

Not sure about money wasted, for me, strategic weaponry does sound like a more important focus. Also, budgets are split up in parts, it's not like Poseidon was siphoning money allocated for procurement?

flamming_python wrote:Into the 3rd week now

Time to end this war. It shouldn't have been started

Not because of the sanctions or anything, but because of the huge humanitarian crisis. What the hell are millions of people going to live off.

It's insane.

Or else what, have the Ukraine turn into a new Syria?

Putler had meet with his vasall Lukashebko today and says talks are possible. Military specialist agree too that this war collapses and achieves nothing. Best guess is thatnin few days russia will retreat.