SeigSoloyvov wrote: Well that's because the blood thirsty moth foaming fanboys think Russia will "win" and in a reality it would be rendered a lifeless barren land with perhaps five percent remaining population if things went to all out Nuclear war
Are you suggesting that NATzO can win a nuclear war by having a great portion of its population intact? If both Russia and NATzO are reduced to lifeless barren wasteland then its not a bad outcome. It will give an opportunity for us from the non aligned world a chance to takeover.
PhSt wrote:I am not advocating for a nuclear strike, BUT, it is essential that Russia strikes NATzO infrastructure to remind them that Russia WILL retaliate in situations like this
Russia needs to bomb the following with conventional means to give NATzO a taste of its own medicine
Verkhovna rada Mariinskyi Palace + All other civilian infrastructures for power, food, water and medicine.
And again you'd get millions killed with your logic Ukraine was behind the attack, West might be supporting them but the choice to assault the bridge was Ukraine's if we didn't care about them hitting Russian infrastructure, we would have supplied long range missiles.
SeigSoloyvov wrote: Well that's because the blood thirsty moth foaming fanboys think Russia will "win" and in a reality it would be rendered a lifeless barren land with perhaps five percent remaining population if things went to all out Nuclear war
Are you suggesting that NATzO can win a nuclear war by having a great portion of its population intact? If both Russia and NATzO are reduced to lifeless barren wasteland then its not a bad outcome. It will give an opportunity for us from the non aligned world a chance to takeover.
So you will sacrifice the russians people for your chosen outcome.
Tell me will you die with them then? because dying would be a much less painless death than the slow radiation death you'd suffer
you call us in the west bad but man not even we are that bad, after WW2 we realized how destructive these weapons are and utterly regretted what we did. Back then no one was sure what the damage would be long term, infact a lot of people thought it'd be minor.
But now we do know and the weapons today are much more powerful then those ww2 bombs and you still calling for it....All I can say to that is don't be calling the west evil when you have that mentality
owais.usmani wrote:[ Doesn't matter if everyone loses. Only thing which matters is that the collective west is taken out forever. It was unthinkiable on February 24 that Ukraine would ever be able to touch the Kerch bridge, but now due to Russia's continous pussyfooting, it has finally happened. If Russia still does not nuke the living hell out of entire Ukraine, then they should just abandon those nuclear weapons altogether, they don't really deserve to have them when they are too afraid to use them on an enemy that is contantly giving them a bloody nose day after day and then brag about it as well.
Now you are speaking bullshit bro, sorry to inform you that. I am kind of surprised that it took the Ukrs so long to stage a terror act like that rather than they did it. That they will try, and will do as soon as possible - was rather clear to everyone. It is anti terror operation for a while, and Russkie were serious calling it that way. The only issue is, that nobody ever faced a 20-30 mln strong backyard for terrorists, assisted by the whole "collective west".
And I am not sure what is the cause of your rage - it is a legitimate military object. Russkie blow hundreds of bridges along the entire 404. Not enough obviously, so it is time to speed up the process.
And the bridge will operate in a few weeks at most I suppose, and there will be other attempts to strike it, along with the other crucial infrastructure. We talk about the people who are shelling the nuclear waste warehouses on supposedly their own territory, doesn't that ring a bell in you? 500 mln RUB max damage calculated by the insurer does not sound very serious, to be honest.
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crod wrote:Yeah I'm sure as heck not understanding this nuke weapons talk either. Catastrophe is all it would be. Countries and cities laid waste with millions dead.
Well that's because the blood thirsty moth foaming fanboys think Russia will "win" and in a reality it would be rendered a lifeless barren land with perhaps five percent remaining population if things went to all out Nuclear war
Funny comment from an American. It is your countries' political and military leadership that are pushing a nuclear phase for weeks now. Twisting words, pushing rhetoric and commiting/sanctionning acts of terrorism because the Frankenstein army they created will fall apart soon. They want nothing more than for Russia to use a tactical nuke as a casus Belli for direct NATO participation i assume.
Russia should just condemn the terrorist attack, show off some dead terrorists on international tv and continue as planned imho.
Expect more of these antics. They should focus on defeating the hordes first and then decide how and where to retaliate
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crod wrote:Yeah I'm sure as heck not understanding this nuke weapons talk either. Catastrophe is all it would be. Countries and cities laid waste with millions dead.
Well that's because the blood thirsty moth foaming fanboys think Russia will "win" and in a reality it would be rendered a lifeless barren land with perhaps five percent remaining population if things went to all out Nuclear war
Funny comment from an American. It is your countries' political and military leadership that are pushing a nuclear phase for weeks now. Twisting words, pushing rhetoric and commiting/sanctionning acts of terrorism because the Frankenstein army they created will fall apart soon. They want nothing more than for Russia to use a tactical nuke as a casus Belli for direct NATO participation i assume.
Russia should just condemn the terrorist attack, show off some dead terrorists on international tv and continue as planned imho.
Expect more of these antics. They should focus on defeating the hordes first and then decide how and where to retaliate
Cute twist that has nothing to do with my original remark, but hey take your pathetic little cheap shots when you can I guess.
BTW buddy, it was Russia who started the nuke talk first back with Putins Speech.
PhSt wrote:I am not advocating for a nuclear strike, BUT, it is essential that Russia strikes NATzO infrastructure to remind them that Russia WILL retaliate in situations like this
Russia needs to bomb the following …. long wish list
With what effect? You think that would hold them back from future actions or do you think it just emboldens them to take the next step. That is a rhetorical question.
First you need to fully and undoubtedly be able to proof who did it.
I am also not 100% convinced that the US is behind this one; why? Because they also refused to provide weapons as they were worried they’d be used to target Crimea and they wanted to stay away of that. But maybe it was all fog of war, I don’t know.
So I’d rather suspect the UK or Israel; both countries have the capabilities and experience.
ALAMO wrote:Oh really? Do you have anything to back this? Can be in Russian, of course
Simple dates lol check the day when Putin made his speech and then when US Gov started talking about nukes.
If your trying to point at random no bodies say "they started it" then that's just classic lame level deflecting at the same time I can mentioned how random no body russians have also brought up nukes here and there
famschopman wrote: With what effect? You think that would hold them back from future actions or do you think it just emboldens them to take the next step. That is a rhetorical question. First you need to fully and undoubtedly be able to proof who did it. I am also not 100% convinced that the US is behind this one; why? Because they also refused to provide weapons as they were worried they’d be used to target Crimea and they wanted to stay away of that. But maybe it was all fog of war, I don’t know. So I’d rather suspect the UK or Israel; both countries have the capabilities and experience.
There are lots of reports lately, that Ukrs are not acting how they are being asked, and staging things the owners don't approve. I suppose it is just a cover up, as the Muricans really have no idea what they can try to stage. And that worries them seriously, but it is kind of too late. Rubicon has been crossed with the shelling of NPP. We face a zombie regime, as easy as that.
So, guess FSB and Rosgvardia have to work harder today. They really need to stop giving Ukraine this sense of victory and to prevent them from doing it again.
Just like Antonovsky bridge, they need multiple strikes to prevent repair effort or take down the bridge support structure, which do actually take years to repair.
Retaliatory strikes tho, does not need to be on structure. It can be everywhere like say assasination of some key figures Or maybe Iskander strikes on road connecting Lvov and Poland.
Doesn't matter if everyone loses. Only thing which matters is that the collective west is taken out forever.
It was unthinkiable on February 24 that Ukraine would ever be able to touch the Kerch bridge, but now due to Russia's continous pussyfooting, it has finally happened.
If Russia still does not nuke the living hell out of entire Ukraine, then they should just abandon those nuclear weapons altogether, they don't really deserve to have them when they are too afraid to use them on an enemy that is contantly giving them a bloody nose day after day and then brag about it as well.
utter nonsense, you are a troll... you never grew up during the cold war i did it was scary times ... you i class a clueless moron
Don't overreact, growing up in the cold war had some positives Civil defense was treated seriously, young people were taught the things that are useful in living.
Doesn't matter if everyone loses. Only thing which matters is that the collective west is taken out forever.
It was unthinkiable on February 24 that Ukraine would ever be able to touch the Kerch bridge, but now due to Russia's continous pussyfooting, it has finally happened.
If Russia still does not nuke the living hell out of entire Ukraine, then they should just abandon those nuclear weapons altogether, they don't really deserve to have them when they are too afraid to use them on an enemy that is contantly giving them a bloody nose day after day and then brag about it as well.
utter nonsense, you are a troll... you never grew up during the cold war i did it was scary times ... you i class a clueless moron
I understand your fear, if its true that you are in Scotland, then its understandable that your place is among the first to be taken out by Russian retaliatory nukes. I'm currently in a not so populated province in Canada, but it seems I have to move further north to survive the nuclear war next week. Good luck but NATzO deserves getting nuked.
Doesn't matter if everyone loses. Only thing which matters is that the collective west is taken out forever.
It was unthinkiable on February 24 that Ukraine would ever be able to touch the Kerch bridge, but now due to Russia's continous pussyfooting, it has finally happened.
If Russia still does not nuke the living hell out of entire Ukraine, then they should just abandon those nuclear weapons altogether, they don't really deserve to have them when they are too afraid to use them on an enemy that is contantly giving them a bloody nose day after day and then brag about it as well.
utter nonsense, you are a troll... you never grew up during the cold war i did it was scary times ... you i class a clueless moron
I understand your fear, if its true that you are in Scotland, then its understandable that your place is among the first to be taken out by Russian retaliatory nukes. I'm currently in a not so populated province in Canada, but it seems I have to move further north to survive the nuclear war next week. Good luck but NATzO deserves getting nuked.
So you don't want to die but are happy to condemn millions of innocents to death for your wishes....that says all that needs to be said
Protecting a long bridge is impossible. It was going to happen since it was open for civilians.
Now the russian answer of starting an investigation when Ukrops admited it was them who attacked it is stupid. Just like their counter terrorist operations. It's a war and they are not fighting as it was a war, meanwhile ukrops are.
Russia is getting absolutely dickslapped and what's their response? Organizing investigation committee (as if this is some big mystery)
Ukraine has shitload of electric power plants, heating plants, bridges, tunnels and God knows what else all just sitting there waiting for the press of a button to disappear and still nothing even now
Ukraine and West figured out that Russians will be pussyfooting and will take it all up the ass like a good boys until the very end and are taking full advantage of that insight (not that it's rocket science)
I said when this started, if Russia allows some apes to blow up that bridge it means that Russia didn't deserve to have that bridge in the first place
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So its not gone then. Lasting damage mainly the westbound road bridge. Maybe 2 way running on the other road bridge.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/1270
The initial assessment of the infrastructure of the Crimean bridge for the passage of trains has been carried out, the section will be restored by 20:00 Moscow time, the Ministry of Transport reported.
It seems that the super duper X-ray/sniffer etc system was only installed at the Kersh end. Expect one at the other end asap.
EDIT
Car traffic to resume at 16.00 local on 2 of the 4 lanes.
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Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) has lost its last remaining external power source due to renewed shelling and is now relying on emergency diesel generators for the electricity it needs for reactor cooling and other essential nuclear safety and security functions, Director General Rafael Mariano Grossi of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said today.
The ZNPP’s connection to the 750 kilovolt (kV) power line was cut at around 1am local time today, Director General Grossi said, citing official information from Ukraine as well as reports from the team of IAEA experts present at the site of Europe’s largest nuclear power plant. Sixteen of the plant’s diesel generators started operating automatically, providing its six reactors with power. After the situation stabilised, ten of the generators were switched off, leaving six to provide the reactors with necessary electricity. “The resumption of shelling, hitting the plant’s sole source of external power, is tremendously irresponsible. The Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant must be protected,” Director General Grossi said. “I will soon travel to the Russian Federation, and then return to Ukraine, to agree on a nuclear safety and security protection zone around the plant. This is an absolute and urgent imperative.” All the plant’s safety systems continue to receive power and are operating normally, the IAEA experts were informed by senior Ukrainian operating staff at the site. Although the six reactors are in cold shutdown, they still require electricity for vital nuclear safety and security functions. The plant’s diesel generators each have sufficient fuel for at least ten days. ZNPP engineers have begun work to repair the damaged 750 kV power line.
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I noticed that in one of the latest videos put up in the last thread, the one with the Ukies driving through fields early in the morning that the sky was blue and the ground was white.
It looks like General Winter's advanced parties have arrived, Major Jack Frost and his men.
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Isos wrote:Protecting a long bridge is impossible. It was going to happen since it was open for civilians.
Now the russian answer of starting an investigation when Ukrops admited it was them who attacked it is stupid. Just like their counter terrorist operations. It's a war and they are not fighting as it was a war, meanwhile ukrops are.
Why is an investigation stupid? The terrorist arseholes are still sitting in Russia!
The whole SMO is a good opportunity to clean the country from traitorous scum and enemy agents....for a better future! Till the SMO they lived like parasites undetected and harmed Russia many many years.
JohninMK wrote:I noticed that in one of the latest videos put up in the last thread, the one with the Ukies driving through fields early in the morning that the sky was blue and the ground was white.
It looks like General Winter's advanced parties have arrived, Major Jack Frost and his men.
You do realize that Ukie's are used to that weather, so it will not provide russia the same defense as in past times.
Isos wrote:Protecting a long bridge is impossible. It was going to happen since it was open for civilians.
Now the russian answer of starting an investigation when Ukrops admited it was them who attacked it is stupid. Just like their counter terrorist operations. It's a war and they are not fighting as it was a war, meanwhile ukrops are.
The bridge should have been closed to all but essential commercial and military traffic. All vehicles should have been inspected and screened for explosives. Hardly an impossible task but given the level of incompetence across the board the clown show continues. Meanwhile life in downtown Kiev goes on as normal. Wouldn't even know there is a war going on.
famschopman wrote: With what effect? You think that would hold them back from future actions or do you think it just emboldens them to take the next step. That is a rhetorical question. First you need to fully and undoubtedly be able to proof who did it. I am also not 100% convinced that the US is behind this one; why? Because they also refused to provide weapons as they were worried they’d be used to target Crimea and they wanted to stay away of that. But maybe it was all fog of war, I don’t know. So I’d rather suspect the UK or Israel; both countries have the capabilities and experience.
There are lots of reports lately, that Ukrs are not acting how they are being asked, and staging things the owners don't approve. I suppose it is just a cover up, as the Muricans really have no idea what they can try to stage. And that worries them seriously, but it is kind of too late. Rubicon has been crossed with the shelling of NPP. We face a zombie regime, as easy as that.
Nothing happens from Ukraine without the US/UK signing off on it. The "we didn't know or approve of it" is just the cover story.
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The initial assessment of the infrastructure of the Crimean bridge for the passage of trains has been carried out, the section will be restored by 20:00 Moscow time, the Ministry of Transport reported.