Russian special military operation in Ukraine #3

thegopnik wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RhS-JDlSj5s RIP to all of them.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Good afternoon, gents (and on the off chance there is one, lady).

Not interested in any of the political bickering back and forth, I am interested in aviation.

I haven't really paid all that much attention to this conflict so far, but had a glance at it today, focusing in the aerial bit.

So, there seems to be a kind of crazy propaganda campaign going on from the Ukrainian and/or western-leaning camp, they reinforce each other, so to speak:
1. A "Ghost of Kyiv" hoax circulated for days, even involving the notorious 4Chan phenomenon Sam Hyde (written in a vaguely Slavicized variant, with Ukrainian Cyrillic). A MiG-29 claimed 6 (or more) Russian jets over Kyiv.

It's been a week, and there is no corroborating data for even a single one.

2. Two Russian VDV Il-76's shot down over two small villages/towns south of Kyiv, carrying hundreds of paratroopers each. Widely distributed news, was "confirmed by US officials" and so on, but seemed very fishy from the get-go given the geographical connotations (how and why would a big lumbering Russian transport jet fly over central Ukraine in the middle of this all?), and even more fishy as the hours went by, given that the Il-76 is basically a C-17-sized plane, it leaves a big mark when it hits the ground and some on-the-ground confirmation should have shown up within 5-6 hours at least.

No confirmation to date, some 4 days later.

3. Intense dogfights over Ukrainian cities, with multiple shootdowns by Ukrainian fighters. Not a single wreck documented, not a single piece of guncam footage or anything. Some video game visuals have circulated (from Armed Assault/ArmA, and DCS World), some even published by official Ukrainian authorities, but that's it.

The latest one comes from today, with several Russian Su-35Ss apparently being shot down over Kyiv, again, by a MiG-29 or by S-300 batteries. Reported by official Ukrainian channels, but no proof as for now. These news are only hours old, anyway, so proof might surface later. Or not.

The thing is that it seems to me that the Russian Air Force actually didn't conduct any fixed-wing sorties over Ukrainian territory at all until 4-5 days into the conflict, after some SEAD operations. I could be wrong, but that's what it looks like to me. So literally everything claimed before yesterday appears false.

d_taddei2 wrote:Once zelensky loses his prized Nazi battalions he will give up. He knows the rest of the Ukrainian army are not really interested in losing their life over this. The Nazi battalions know that they will be killed if caught so will fight to the death that is the part that makes then more difficult to rid of, and with their mindset are willing to kill, use, and destroy civilians and infrastructure as they have nothing left to lose. And Nazi battalions are in bedded with normal trips to enforce them to keep fighting. Let me hope those normal Ukrainian troops get together and kill the Nazi battalions that would be a better solution and I wouldn't be surprised if a few Nazi militia have lost their lives to this already.

On another note reports of TB2 drone still flying around targeting Russian troops. These drones need to be put to bed this will certainly help Russian convoys knowing drones are eliminated.

With the replacement of Odessa mayor shows how important zelensky sees Odessa. I think if Russia takes over Odessa oblast cutting off Ukraine from the sea and link up to Transnistria and Gagauzia will have a dramatic effect on Ukrainian troop morale. And I think north of Odessa Russia will see very little resistance as most troops are in the east, kharkiv, Kiev.. most likely only armed civilians north of Odessa. And Zelensky knows this.

Broski wrote:I didn't see any Ukrop propaganda in his most, mike.

Firebird wrote:

Its looking like Cold War 2 is "warmer" than Cold War 1 ever was ... excluding Afghanistan.
I hope Russia gets its pound of flesh in justice over its enemies.

Urluber wrote:

Firebird wrote:

Its looking like Cold War 2 is "warmer" than Cold War 1 ever was ... excluding Afghanistan.
I hope Russia gets its pound of flesh in justice over its enemies.

Hah. You must have forgotten Korea, Vietnam and a lot of "smaller" (less published) conflicts in Africa etc. during CW1.
Those very pretty hot places also.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Good afternoon, gents (and on the off chance there is one, lady).
Not interested in any of the political bickering back and forth, I am interested in aviation.
I haven't really paid all that much attention to this conflict so far, but had a glance at it today, focusing in the aerial bit.

Ispan wrote:Apologies if this has been posted, but it's a good report. Harsh but rings true and good insights.

https://southfront.org/war-in-ukraine-day-6-russia-changed-tactics-and-succeeded-huge-casualties-and-humanitarian-disaster-video-18/

Ispan wrote:Apologies if this has been posted, but it's a good report. Harsh but rings true and good insights.

https://southfront.org/war-in-ukraine-day-6-russia-changed-tactics-and-succeeded-huge-casualties-and-humanitarian-disaster-video-18/

Mir wrote:

Ispan wrote:Apologies if this has been posted, but it's a good report. Harsh but rings true and good insights.

https://southfront.org/war-in-ukraine-day-6-russia-changed-tactics-and-succeeded-huge-casualties-and-humanitarian-disaster-video-18/

The Russians showed much constraint for the first 5 days - and that was the general idea in an attempt to keep civilian deaths low. This tactic was pretty much part of the plan and the assumption from Southfront that some general suddenly got a wake-up call is not correct at all. Tactics have changed because the Zelenski regime is trying to stall the process of negotiation - and they are still doing it. The Russian will come at them harder and harder with each passing day.

Firebird wrote:After a major conflict eg the Great Patriotic War, Russia usually places a protective zone in place/takes punitive steps vs those who committed atrocities eg the Western Ukraine additions, Kaliningrad.

America has been promoting a far more extreme version of this with the new settlements for Israel.

I think Russia should take Galicia etc. But different this time. Instead of trying to integrate the Nazis just make their lives miserable. Plenty of em will **** off to their boyfriends in Canada, America, Germany etc. Makes Russia safer, and gives the Russian world an extra buffer zone vs future bullshit.

Just my view anyway.

The Russians showed much constraint for the first 5 days - and that was the general idea in an attempt to keep civilian deaths low wrote: