Russian special military operation in Ukraine #5

flamming_python wrote: they are keeping everyone in so that Russian and DNR/LNR forces can't clean out the city

indeed.. and it have a name..
Using civilians as human shields..  holding them hostages in their homes against their own will,
this is a crime of war. similar to kidnapping or a hostage terrorist incident , like beslan school
that terrorist kidnapped hundred of children in a school , but in mariupol is an entire city. probably
with 300,000 people.

And still you complained that russia invaded . lol  you are out of touch with reality dude.
If Russia don't invade ,not only ukrainains will have started a major ethnic cleansing ,but also
they were planning a nuclear attack with a dirty bomb on russia with americans help, according to RT report of russian government, and they also had dozens of illegal biological weapons labs across all ukraine..run by the pentagon. and for sure all those deadly viruses was not to use them against poland or nato. US only objective with Ukraine to turn it into a time bomb , to destabilize russia security and peace and torpedo any kind of business relations between europe and russia.

We do not see TB2 drones more. No losses by TB2.
We also see no losses in the fight of PanzirM or TorM1 / 2.

Obviously, this ad zone 24/7 is now active from both systems. But took a long time established.

Now Russian drones (like the Ukrainian S-300P yesterday destroved ) should become akiver and operate well in Middle and Western Ukraine active and destroy.

flamming_python wrote:

kvs wrote:Some historical truth:

The name Malorossiya does not mean "little Russia" or "second rate Russia".   It follows the Greek formula and refers to "core Russia"
or "heartland Russia".   So Russia is greater Malorussia.  

In 1897 only 5% of "Ukrainians" referred themselves as Ukrainians.   It was the Bolsheviks that deleted the Malorussian identity and
replaced it with the fake "Ukrainian" one.   Ukrainians are the people who are in the region of Lvov and are mostly Uniates.

That was over 100 years ago

These days Ukrainians are not only Ukrainians, but also 'Europeans'

And it was their elites who decided who they should be and who their enemies are. Russians in this case

The only way to change this is not through invasion and countering years of brainwashing, but dealing with their elites, splitting their elites. Which in turn is possible with greater economic power.
All gone to waste now though.

Flaming,  you should work on basic risk analysis,  and evaluation skills

It's a simple equation factoring time and space.

NATO was deploying huge amounts of weapons and infrastructure to Ukraine

They would have been in Crimea too

So you are absolutely wrong,  in terms of economic persuasion

Russia did not have time to sway the elite within 8 years when they were dead set on challenging Russia

Missiles and weaponry were being placed there also biological ones

So no influencing the elite had little bearing on anything

Russia had been trying to speak with yanukovych, Tymoshenko, Yuschenko, Akhmetov and many more

Quite simply Ukraine was oriented in anti russian orientation and planned to be springboard for NATO attack on Russia

There was no alternative to intervention

A plan under which the US would transfer Polish-owned planes to Ukraine risks dragging NATO directly into a military conflict between Kiev and Moscow, the Pentagon said, as it seemingly rejected a deal earlier proposed by Warsaw.

On Tuesday, Poland announced that it was ready to deploy “immediately and free of charge” its fleet of MiG-29 jets to a NATO base in Germany and hand them over to the US military. In return, Washington would have provided Warsaw with “used aircraft with corresponding operational capabilities” to backfill its fleet. 

Responding to the proposed deal later on Tuesday, the Pentagon signaled that it was reluctant to play any role in the affair.

“The prospect of fighter jets 'at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America' departing from a U.S./NATO base in Germany to fly into airspace that is contested with Russia over Ukraine raises serious concerns for the entire NATO alliance,” Pentagon spokesman John F. Kirby said

Lol west is joke

walle83 wrote:I would say they are doing a very good job so far. The russian economy is in a free fall and the sanctions continues to grow. This will have severe consequences for Russia both for the people and for the Russian ability to rearm its military.

Tell me how it is in your AO. How's your heat prices? Cost of petrol? What is the cost of a baton of bread?

I don't see any bread lines here, business is operating as normal, our food emporiums have shelves bulging with product, schools are operating as normal. You, sir, are full of it. Our economy is doing much better than yours, EU and SehSha.

About 5,000 people managed to evacuate from Sumy on one of the humanitarian corridors. Looks like this approach is bearing fruit
as it did in Syria. But it all depends on how desperate the Kiev regime is.

auslander wrote:

walle83 wrote:I would say they are doing a very good job so far. The russian economy is in a free fall and the sanctions continues to grow. This will have severe consequences for Russia both for the people and for the Russian ability to rearm its military.

Tell me how it is in your AO. How's your heat prices? Cost of petrol? What is the cost of a baton of bread?

I don't see any bread lines here, business is operating as normal, our food emporiums have shelves bulging with product, schools are operating as normal. You, sir, are full of it. Our economy is doing much better than yours, EU and SehSha.

The Russians have been preparing or this for this since 2014 and even earlier. And the west did not do a lot of planning, they may have not done any long term planning.

The biggest thing that the Russia may time to sort out, is consumers products may take a little time(4-6 months) but everything is operating normally by the looks of it.

kvs wrote:About 5,000 people managed to evacuate from Sumy on one of the humanitarian corridors.   Looks like this approach is bearing fruit
as it did in Syria.   But it all depends on how desperate the Kiev regime is.  

It took a while for humanitarian to operate in Syria.

flamming_python wrote:If that is their strategy, then Russia should not have gone in.

I'm glad that people like you weren't running the USSR in 1941... with a defeatist attitude like that you would have handed the nation over to Herr Stickelgruber...

The line that this is merely Putin's ego trip adventure has negative credibility. Russia was cornered into this. The biowarfare
and nuclear weapons programs in the NATzO-run toilet Banderastan were enough justification.

All the critics would be bitching 10 years from now when the Ukrs had fully ethnically cleansed the Donbass and staged terrorist
attacks inside Russia. Whatever Russia does, it is always wrong and failing. These critics are a broken record.

Here is one to watch.
The western media has been calling the existence of Ukrainian bio-labs as a conspiracy theory.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-08/china-pushes-russia-conspiracy-theory-about-u-s-labs-in-ukraine?sref=ZMFHsM5Z

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/us-looks-to-keep-ukrainian-biological-research-facilities-from-russian-control

So it seems Victoria Nuland confirmed their existence a few hours later after the spin doctors had already started denial.

flamming_python wrote:

LMFS wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Man, the West is really pulling out all stops isn't it

All in the style of "Russian Ivan, Surrender!", as the Germans used to say

The article was written on the 28th of Feb and it looks like its author had already skipped across the border by that time.

Well the Chinese already told the Americans to beat it, and effectively the Indians did as well. The rouble fell but its value only halved so far, no more.

The reserves of the Central Bank being frozen is a major f-up of course. Doesn't look like Putin prepared adequately for this war either in the economic or the military sense, although I'd imagine Russia will pull through. The Chinese are already talking about buying up Russian stocks when the markets upon up again.

If you could just get over your commie Pavlov's conditioning of spiting in everything Putin to the point of not making any sense at all, you would be worth reading...

I will spit at him forever.

Russia will either win the war, and get a phyric victory, even with the defeat of the West. Tons of own casualties, the economy blasted, to say nothing of the state of the Ukraine..

Or Russia will lose or attain only symbolic gains while losing strategically, in which case Russia will collapse and break apart from a wave of anti-war anger. Because you know, revolutions happen in Russia when we lose wars and with major casualties.

I have to wonder what the strategy of Russian command will be
They can crack apart the Ukrainian army with some shock and awe strikes, which will preserve our own troops but that will lead to a huge amount of casualties among Ukrainian troops and dissolve any chance of splitting the Ukrainian military away from their political leadership. And pit the Ukrainian people against us quite irrevocably. The insurgency created can be quite severe and Russia will find it impossible to put a loyal leadership in place.
They can try to continue to pry away various interest groups from one another why trying to create encirclements and cutting off troops from fuel and ammo. This can pry away Ukrainian generals who care about their men, from the political leadership determined to fight a total military and propaganda war for their Western patrons against Russia, from the Nazis who use human shields and will not surrender, and so on. However this strategy so far has not brought about concrete results, while loses keep mounting.
Or Russia can withdraw from the Kiev and Chernigov regions, and cement itself in the south and east of the country, where there will be at least local indifference, and Russia can build up some local forces and auxiliaries based on the LNR/DNR. But this will turn the war into a potential Syria-style slog, although it will limit both Russian military casualties and civilian ones.

None of these options are good.

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Bro none of the options are good. This isnt a fight against Ukraine but a fight against natosphere as a whole. They would have never relented. I've been reading the things said and written by people like Wolfowitz and Nuland and others. The white papers of RAND tier think tanks. This is an this is an existential battle. They would never even allow Russia to be a regional power. They have long planned to destabilize and regime change Russia, or push a western puppet into power thru normal elections. They want Russia broken into multiple states along ethnic lines and they want Russia forever destroyed.

The fact that Putin actually invaded Ukraine is fucking huge. I was sure he would not have done this. He isnt crazy or foolish like media says. There are many things we have no notion of. To make such a desperate move means shit has officially hit the fan. Your ideological bias is blinding you to the reality that this is an existential crisis on a global level and it has never been more perilous than it is right now. The leadership of the west is completely out of touch with the people and are introducing draconian and subtle measures to silence and separate and financially crush us. These neocons and neolibs dont have the good old common naus that older generations had. I truly fear they think ruskies are bluffing. They are not. The world is going insane.

And with all I can see and understand it is clear Russia is in the right. They have witnessed and acted upon color revolutions, some successful and some not. Regime changes. Surrounding and choking Russia. Kazakhstan is the most recent example. Ukraine is a puppet of the US state department and is being used to slowly sap Russia and ultimately take Crimea from them and their military bases in the south vital for force projection. If America was in the same scenario with a regime changed state bordering us by China and all the same shit was discussed. Attempting to take our military bases from us.we would surely do the same and in good conscience.

And ffs the united mass blitz of corporate and state power to wage propaganda and economic war is terrifying to behold. I loathe Putin because I have seen some evidence he us probably a pederast and financially corrupt. Could be wrong but dunno. I dont like him. But this isnt about Putin. This is about Russia's survival and beyond Russia it is a wake up call that our leaders in the west must be toppled. Thry are ideologically deluded, out of touch, hopelessly corrupt and are pushing wicked policy.

Anyways aside from this flamming python you are just wrong, at least imo.

Big_Gazza wrote:

I'm glad that people like you weren't running the USSR in 1941...  with a defeatist attitude like that you would have handed the nation over to Herr Stickelgruber...

Stalin actually did suffer a mental breakdown and was unreachable for a week. Perhaps Flamming needs a stay in his dacha to recuperate?

I think someone is playing tricks here and doctored this because these are NOT my words a scammer in the forum

That is what I thought when I first read it, but then looked at the top and realised these are likely Vanns words and it has been misquoted with the wrong quote code removed to make it appear you said it.

Well , if the encircled towns with Rats inside , are simply going to be left alone , though with some harassment . Then it could take a long time to liberate them . Why not air drop some self defence weapons inside towns ? Simple firearms with instructions on use . Encourage locals to attack the Rats ? Friendly population can be identified in different areas of towns . Why should the Rats be allowed to arm their Darlings and not the general population ? Better than letting the civilians die of hunger and sit and watch ? During WW2 , the British had similar ideas of arming anti- fascist partisans , with mass produced Sten sub - machine guns ?

The rats could then claim there are no civilians in this conflict and they are free to kill them all as they leave or are pushed out...

I joined this forum in 2014 and since then I'm reading about the imminent collapse of the US. Sadly, the wishes of these forum members (quite a few of whom are Russian living in the West) have never been fulfilled.

Like watching an alcoholic... you see what they are doing and you know it can only end one way... most predictions are wrong because predicting actual events you don't create yourself is so hard to do.

Case in point when planning nuclear weapons and Bioweapons for a group of Nazis and a final assault on the Donbass and Lugansk regions for March the 8th of course you are going to go public and claim Putin is about to invade in the hopes he wont before your attack can start and do some real damage.

Ironic really considering the invasion of Iraq was for less... and was rather more destructive and bloody and they were never banned from sporting events or had sanctions imposed on them...

This asshat who wrote this idiotic article should try his luck in movies, seems to have a fertile imagination.

He is watching the US kill itself and likely feels as helpless as we do.

I don't want to see Americans suffer for the stupid choices and decisions of their royalty, but they have open eyes and make their own choices... spend more money on the military and a few more sanctions against Russia will about do it... and more tax breaks for the rich obviously.

So Russia is now the most sanctioned country on earth 5,530 sanctions more than Iran or North Korea. Must have hit a nerve with the west. Despite all these sanctions Russia doesn't seem to care and the sanctions haven't stopped them. All these yet the west continues to hurt itself with these so-called sanctions quite funny really. Goes to show sanctions aren't as effective as the west makes out

More importantly many of those sanctions have not had their replies established yet, and Putin said some of the responses wont be symetrical... so all those areas the west has not used as a sanction against Russia because they knew it would hurt the west more than it hurt Russia might find Putin thinks it is worth their pain to see the other side really suffer.

Maybe Putin will cut the gas to Europe.

Or exit SWIFT completely so western countries and companies wanting to continue to buy Russian products or services will need to join their payment systems.

Which will weaken SWIFT and strengthen the Russian alternative.

According to this link, Russia lost 140+ tanks (destroyed and captured), while Ukraine lost only 40 ... Smile So how come Ukrainian tanks are not in front of Moscow, if that is already the case? the internet has become just a western tool of propaganda

Wiki is bullshit western propaganda like FB and Twitter, but this is a serious conflict and there are going to be losses.

A fact of all war.

This isn't ISIS.

Now tell me, with Russians sending 70K troops into Ukraine vs Ukraines 100,000+ troops, and volunteers and what not, with Russia winning with having taken roughly 40% of the country with a smaller force, then ask yourself "how have they lost more than Ukraine with a smaller force and winning the war?"

Su-34 is a capable aircraft, but not invincible, and the Orcs have lots of air defence equipment of a range of different types that is more comprehensive than most actual HATO countries including the US... the Soviet stuff they have is mobile and able to be used independently and as a network... breaking their network does not mean they can't be used individually and hunting down the pieces is going to take time and cost aircraft.

Remember in Kosovo HATO refused to use helicopters because MANPADS were too dangerous... they are still dangerous.

Nazis getting nukes and bio weapons means this is necessary.

Rutube is a great opportunity for russians and not just Russians. Honestly, they need to have an English, Hindi and Cantonese/Mandarin language for that site and VK.

Especially if they stop recognising Patients and copywrite from the US...

You can check pictures shared on twitter. There are plenty of destroyed, abondoned or caprured russian tanks. Numbers ? I can't tell.

A lot of which were Ukrainian tanks and vehicles until Photoshop added a Z.

Remember that tank running into that civilian vehicle in Kiev... except it was before the Russians got there and was actually an MTLB based SA-13 air defence vehicle...

They take heavy losses but the more time goes by the less they wil suffer because ukrainians are suffering heavier losses.

Heavy losses is unlikely and mostly propaganda you already acknowledged... now they will start settling in and using drones to look for ambush parties to surprise... their helicopters and attack aircraft and also drones will also be hunting for targets to cook, like individual artillery and air defence vehicles which are scattered around the place to do harm.

Nah, just keep it in Russian. Everyone else can either learn the language or ****-off.

Sections in other languages just makes sense, it will expand the attractiveness of the site and expand potential advertisers and improve revenue... and could become like the pirate bay in terms of movies and tv series etc etc if they sanction US IP rules across the board.

Even during the Iraq/Afghanistan invasion/deployments NATO lost dozens upon dozens of aircraft (and men) to hostile fire.
i believe after 9.11 the U.S themselves have over 7000 KIA's alone with their foreign adventures. Not mentioning the rest of the NATO allies.

Got to the point where they hired Blackwater and other Merc groups to hide their losses...

Russia is doing an admirable job millitary wise so far judging by various sources.

Even Atlasclub changed his avatar to Z, though of course Putin is to blame for everything...

Even hard core pro west people who know what is happening wont want nazis with bioweapons and nukes even on the edge of Europe.

what happens if Zelensky continues to rule the Ukraine in exile like Juan Guaido?

Guano doesn't rule lines on a piece of paper.

Venezuela does not recognise Guano as anything other than the piece of crap he is.

Ukrainian now shares some distressing video of sorry, BMP-2 not BMD blowing up civvies car and killing two civvies without any provocation.

I would expect if civilian cars are getting shot up that the Orcs are using civilian cars for attacks on Russian columns.

America is the most powerful nation in the world and no doubt has the most powerful military in the history of mankind. It spends more on it's military than anyone else - in fact it's military budget is larger than the next 15 countries military's budgets combined and it actively uses it's military to attack and destroy those countries that doesn't goosestep in line with their foreign policy.

Not only that, but most of the next 15 biggest spenders are part of HATO and the west which are under the direct control of the US too...

The emerging "Eurasian coalition" is actively creating two theaters with strong resistance: in Europe and in Asia. USA has already been forced to regroup: remember it pulled forces from Europe to relocate in Asia. This was naturally before the most recent developments. Russia surprised western theorists with their pants down by actually standing up.

It is funny because the US announced it was looking to Asia and countering China and was leaving the UK to deal with Russia... great work Boris...

I never bought in to the "independent Bitcoin" hype in the first place. How can Bitcoin traders be 'independent' if they don't own the fiber-optic cables?

Well we have had our own experience with bitcointraders...

NATO will, however, donate planes to Ukraine.

What will more planes do that the previous ones did not do?

I would say that a fresh batch of Orc planes would be even more vulnerable to Orc air defences than the Russian aircraft because they wont have SEAD support or communication with ground forces... or working IFF systems.

Ukraine offering $1mn for Russian pilots to defect as they become desperate for aircraft comical

The Americans played the same card in the 80s or 90s in central or south america... there were adverts in soldier of fortune magazine offering million dollar prizes to enemy helicopter pilots flying their helicopters to land at enemy bases... no one took them up on their offer AFAIK but the enemy force did ground their Hinds in response... which was the goal of the offer because they were doing serious damage to the Pro US forces at the time.

I think they are under huge pressure by the US to give their migs but know very well that russians would love to use a tactical nuk and make an exemple by leveling a polish air base.

That's why they proposed that. Take them in your base in germany and give them to the ukrainians yourself and get your own base leveled by a nuk.

It's a desperate "**** off" to their masters.

Europeans IMO are coming to teir limits with those anglo-saxon pushes for ore war there. In France the industry is alrzady suffering from tis war. Germans are gonna pay the heaviest price.

Under other circumstances if they got the offer to get rid of the MiG-29s and trade them for F-16s they would normally leap at the chance, but the also recognise the US trying to throw them under the bus by escalating the situation by making Poland a target...

Funny how such allies manipulate each other in such times.

Those who are going to benefit are the Republicans. Trump has a good chance of being president again.

Biden has been screwing everything up from Kabul to the economy... Trump should have no problems... look forward to hearing Hillary Clinton claim Putins invasion of Ukraine was to get Trump elected....

They also have moved a lot of an-2 aircraft that could be used to spot ukrainian remaining AD.

An-2s wouldn't be my first choice for spotting...

I would say they are doing a very good job so far. The russian economy is in a free fall and the sanctions continues to grow. This will have severe consequences for Russia both for the people and for the Russian ability to rearm its military.

The west was never going to be nice to Russia so cutting ties is the best way forward... Russia can find new countries to work with.

Life in Mariupol, March 8.

Ahh, they will be OK... they clearly have their own White Helmets...

The West will still be saddled with Russian resources at market prices meanwhile that they have to pay for in roubles, per the Russian economic ministries new laws.

Yes, the west will stop earning money being the middle man to sales to the rest of the world and the roles will reverse, they will have to buy at market prices from the rest of the world the goods from Russia they need.

Can someone explain, how a50u and il20m and il22pp will coordinate SEAD missions?

They would detect electronic emissions of radars and cell phone communications for individual air defence vehicles and locate both the people using the vehicles and those communicating information to them as well... all valuable targets to weaken the network.

What would Tu214sr perform?

What significance would these aircraft make in a SEAD mission?

If they augment the success of the strikes, is there a reason they are just being employed now?

they will narrow the locations needed to be searched to find AD threats and comms centres supporting AD operations.

Saudi Arabia and the UAE decline Biden’s phone calls and refuse to speak with Biden about countering Russia and containing a surge in oil prices

Americas attempts the last decade or so to squease oil prices has cost them trillions in revenue.

They both took calls from Putin

They will likely earn billions in the next few months thanks to him.

I don't see any bread lines here, business is operating as normal, our food emporiums have shelves bulging with product, schools are operating as normal. You, sir, are full of it. Our economy is doing much better than yours, EU and SehSha.

Sanctions will only make imported products expensive or unattainable, which is great news for Russian businesses... domestic products and domestically sourced materials and resources will be unaffected and become the preferred choice moving forward.

Russia will either win the war, and get a phyric victory, even with the defeat of the West. Tons of own casualties, the economy blasted, to say nothing of the state of the Ukraine..

When your neighbour is being groomed to become your enemy and danger to your state you should not grieve that such a crime is interrupted and stopped.

Putin is not one to reach for the military option first... or even fifth... this was a necessity... and so he has my full support... just as the west has my full disgust... what a sack of shit it is... led unthinking by the US by the nose to shout its stupid slogans of peace and democracy while swinging the war stick every chance it gets.

Why should we care so much about Ukrainian citizens when Iraq and Afghan and Yemeni and Iranian and Cuban and North Korean and Venezuelan and plenty of other citizens have been bombed or sanctioned to poverty for their future on the whim of the US.

https://thesaker.is/russian-judo-tears-the-west-apart/

I have a question that I have in my mind for a while now.

A lot of people are saying that the sanctions will destroy the EU and people are also saying that the US wants to eat EU's lunch money

If the US does that to the EU like article is saying, would it not also weaken the US in the long term?

I mean the US can eat the EU lunch money for a while but it will weaken the EU, which in turn will weaken the collective west.

Has this been thought out by the US?