Russian special military operation in Ukraine #5

They may not need to take any towns or capture land . Simply to encircle towns and border and coast , is almost done . War won ! Coup regime collapse . Rats starve .

Aristide wrote:

Mir wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
Sorry, say what?

Are we looking at the same war?

Because CCN says so it must be true!

I dont need CNN. I have a friend in Ukraine who collects fossils and meteorites. He shows me whats going on.

Give the good mood we have in the EU to win this and the rather depressive state in Russia regarding this, i say we are on a good mood.

The thing is, this is first war where evry detail is shared the moment it happens. Thats the main reason russia lost the information war right at the start. We can see russian helicopters shot down, burning russian convoys and destroyed tanks.



That does not look like winning

Not every detail is shared. It's actually a bit absurd because if you go by the media, Ukraine is fighting starving, demoralized children with no fuel or communications equipment and is obliterating them with Javelins , NLAWS, and drones but at the same time, desperately needs all the help it can get and a no fly zone even though it's a turkey shoot against the RuAF over Ukraine.

Couple of points.

1) The armour losses, particularly the tanks, which have breathed a fresh lease of life to assoles claiming Russian tanks/designs to be junk.

My understanding is that almost all tank losses are due to the ambushes like we saw in Chechnya, Syria, etc. They focused their attack on the side and rear quarter of the tanks (hull & turret) from the woods, streets, inside apartment blocks and from rooftops.



2) Its good to see the West-Asian guys, most likely Syria, numbering around 16k ready to volunteer for Russian/allied forces. Its just proves how much good will Russia have with majority of people around the world.

But I'm worried about Syria itself, coz of the unfinished war and Russia's constraints in Syria. They are simply not in a position to prevent strikes on Syria and worst of all, they are not providing Syria with proper defensive and offensive weapons, due to the very fear of Syrians retaliating, and hence an escalation, in which case Russia will be forced to act, for which, its not militarily prepared nor does it have the resources to thrown in against a combined US/Isreali/Turkish front.
The result of not arming Syria over the past decade is that, Syria is heavily dependent on Russian support in case an external onslaught happens. Which means, Russia will be forced to divert its resources to protect and not loose Syria.

Syrians coming to aid Donbass is always welcome. But it also means that much less fighters for Syria.
During the initial years of war on Syria, there was reports about 80k East/Ukrainians ready to go to Syria ready to defend Syria. It would have been a considerable force. But then, their own home was pushed into a war.

I fear, but pray that it doesn't, that once the Syrian volunteers come to Donbass, the scumbags are likely going to make things hot in Syria so as to make Russia getting bogged down in  multiple zones. The Azeri's are already playing as per their masters orders...

Stellar progress on all fronts,

Just like we got you out of Mali and CAR we do it to you in Ukraine

Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukraine is already a defeated state, territorial losses encompass 50% of the country

Mariupol is undergoing denazification

Kherson is liberated

Kharkov is 50% denazified

Kiev has lost Brovary, Makarov, Irpen, and soon southern approach Boryspil

We are knocking on the door of Kruvy Rog

And now begin kalibration of galicia, Lutsk, Ivanofrankovsk

We dont want to deal with europe anymore, go destroy what is left of the EU

We are already commencing USSR 2, and we are eternally grateful to Josep Borell and the EU parliament for the gift

We are nationalizing all your airplanes and buying parts from Turkey and India

We will russify Renault too

Merci beaucoup connard

The airplanes are worth 10 billion €. Thanks to your central bank we have 380 billion € of your assets. You can keep the planes amigo. They wont fly anyways in a matter of months.

The sheer amount of assets that we took from Russia are so gigantic, no matter what you do, you vant compensate that. 380 billion on national bank assets alone. Do you sue your national bank leader for treason?

You also dont understand one thing. You have massive losses in Ukraine and the Ukrainians firecly fight against you. Supplied with an endless stream of weapons. You conquer burning rubble, ruins and dead land and pay for this with complete economic wipe out.


Btw what we do are not sanctions. Its special economic operations to stabilize and deputinize Russia.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

Aristide wrote:Here in Europe we already reached the point how we can give russia a way out of this without losing face too much. Russias military is basicly beaten in Ukraine. Its rescources on the ground overstretched and unable to supply, large numbers of conscripts run away or surrender and on the homefront russias economy is destroyed.

An option would be EU membership for Ukraine but no NATO membership, similar to Austria.

Sorry, say what?

Are we looking at the same war?

yeah its another one of our "special" members around here that should have been banned ages ago.....

go to his profile, add him to your "foe" list and you never have to see his bullshit again in the threads.

diabetus wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:

diabetus wrote:

Cheetah wrote:

diabetus wrote:Anyone think this conflict has shown that legacy Soviet tanks need to be retired and replaced as soon as possible?

Not necessarily. We are merely reaching the point where conventional armour, and ERA are no longer enough, and an APS is required. The up-side to that is, APS systems can be added to existing hardware with little overhead. However, if you're referring to Soviet tanks, as they were during Soviet times? Absolutely.

I'm including post Soviet variants of the t-72 and T-80 here, even the t-90A.

You initially said Soviet variants now Ur including all tanks. Word of advice stop being a C*nt and leave this forum u troll

The t-90 was a Soviet development. Not sure why you're getting so emotional. Notably i did not include the t-90AM, the possible T-80UM (BVM like update to 80U tanks) and obviously the t-14.

Ignored

Dima wrote:Couple of points.

1) The armour losses, particularly the tanks, which have breathed a fresh lease of life to assoles claiming Russian tanks/designs to be junk.

My understanding is that almost all tank losses are due to the ambushes like we saw in Chechnya, Syria, etc. They focused their attack on the side and rear quarter of the tanks (hull & turret) from the woods, streets, inside apartment blocks and from rooftops.



2) Its good to see the West-Asian guys, most likely Syria, numbering around 16k ready to volunteer for Russian/allied forces. Its just proves how much good will Russia have with majority of people around the world.

But I'm worried about Syria itself, coz of the unfinished war and Russia's constraints in Syria. They are simply not in a position to prevent strikes on Syria and worst of all, they are not providing Syria with proper defensive and offensive weapons, due to the very fear of Syrians retaliating, and hence an escalation, in which case Russia will be forced to act on, for which its not militarily prepared not does it have the resources to thrown in against a US/Isreali/Turkish front.
The result of not arming Syria over the past decade is that, they need heavy Russian support in case an external onslaught happens, forcing Russia to divert its resources.

Syrians coming to aid Donbass is always welcome. But it also means that much less fighters for Syria.
During the initial years of war on Syria, there was reports about 80k East/Ukrainians ready to go to Syria ready to defend Syria. It would have been a considerable force. But then, their own home was pushed into a war.

I fear, but pray that it doesn't, that once the Syrian volunteers come to Donbass, the scumbags are likely going to make things hot in Syria so as to make Russia getting bogged down in  multiple zones. The Azeri's are already playing as per their masters orders...

Not junk, just not as survivable as they should be if the crew compartment is penetrated.

Aristide wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

Aristide wrote:Here in Europe we already reached the point how we can give russia a way out of this without losing face too much. Russias military is basicly beaten in Ukraine. Its rescources on the ground overstretched and unable to supply, large numbers of conscripts run away or surrender and on the homefront russias economy is destroyed.

An option would be EU membership for Ukraine but no NATO membership, similar to Austria.

Sorry, say what?

Are we looking at the same war?

Yes we do.

Its two weeks now and Russia lost hundreds of tanks, dozens of helicopters, aircrafts and several thousand soldiers. So far not a single big city was taken and even in the smaller ones that the russians did occupy the civilians opposse them completly.

Add the fact that in Ukraine now even evry grandma has 10 Stinger rockets in her barn and you see this cant be won.

Even russian hardliners in russian state TV start to change mood against Putin

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/03/11/russian-state-tv-show-goes-off-message-criticizes-war-on-ukraine-a76875

My God, Russia is winning... the Ukrainian military is hiding among the civilians in the big cities to avoid being killed or imprisoned. Progress is just not faster because Russia doesn't want to decimate cities, avoiding the Syrian scenario. Thousands of innocent people would die....

Serberus wrote:The hate campaign againts Russia has reached fever pitch in Australia, i have never seen such hate directed at any country in my 30 years living here.
I just ordered some food on a delivery app and they are collecting money to send to Ukraine military, (yes military not humanitarian) i have never seen anything like this before, everyone is acting like we are at war with Russia which says alot about the mindset of westerners and if Russia thinks these people will ever be cordial with them, its a huge mistake.

Russia have a lot of support from latin america from mexico to argentina , but the dumb president putin have been distracted for 22 years trying to flirt with their european neighbors using gas stations discounts as a carrot is to a horse, while ignoring major opportunities in the latin american west. that shares a similar conservative culture with russia and similar values and similar pro independence and sovereignty interest from the anglo western world..  spanish speaking people are much better informed what is really happening in ukraine , specially young people 18 years old or more.
Rt is spanish is very popular and Telesur very important news media there.

probably one of the very few rare things putin have done right.. their RT.com news media alternative.

Aristide wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukraine is already a defeated state, territorial losses encompass 50% of the country

Mariupol is undergoing denazification

Kherson is liberated

Kharkov is 50% denazified

Kiev has lost Brovary, Makarov, Irpen, and soon southern approach Boryspil

We are knocking on the door of Kruvy Rog

And now begin kalibration of galicia, Lutsk, Ivanofrankovsk

We dont want to deal with europe anymore, go destroy what is left of the EU

We are already commencing USSR 2, and we are eternally grateful to Josep Borell and the EU parliament for the gift

We are nationalizing all your airplanes and buying parts from Turkey and India

We will russify Renault too

Merci beaucoup connard

The airplanes are worth 10 billion €. Thanks to your central bank we have 380 billion € of your assets. You can keep the planes amigo. They wont fly anyways in a matter of months.

The sheer amount of assets that we took from Russia are so gigantic, no matter what you do, you vant compensate that. 380 billion on national bank assets alone. Do you sue your national bank leader for treason?

You also dont understand one thing. You have massive losses in Ukraine and the Ukrainians firecly fight against you. Supplied with an endless stream of weapons. You conquer burning rubble, ruins and dead land and pay for this with complete economic wipe out.


Btw what we do are not sanctions. Its special economic operations to stabilize and deputinize Russia.

All your plants will be russified,  we have your intellectual property and its gonna be good

We gonna print a ton of rubles , all is going according to plan 

Meanwhile your gas is at 2.5 euro per liter an rising

On top of it your politicians lament they have gone as far as they can go with sanctions

We have called the bluff of the west and we shit on your relations hahaha

Now go find how you run Europe with Qatar 

As for Ukraine, it's a done deal, we are vaccinating them against russophobia , the european variant

What I am seeing is a steady loss of territorial control, about a third of the country in 2 weeks. UA losses, both personnel and material roughly 10 times Russian ditto, and a generally desperate situation for the defenders.

UA increasingly resorting to guerilla tactics and cowering behind civilians. Just saying.

The skewed view that suggests otherwise chiefly rests on the complete ban on smartphones and what not among Russian servicemen since years, and the Russian MoDs general reluctance to show much of what they're up to, in an effort not to antagonize the general population too much. Same principle behind the rather passive (so far) approach to the encircled cities.

In a sense, it reminds me of Syria and the imbalanced infowar that accompanied that whole shebang. But the smoke did clear after a while.

Airbornewolf wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

Aristide wrote:Here in Europe we already reached the point how we can give russia a way out of this without losing face too much. Russias military is basicly beaten in Ukraine. Its rescources on the ground overstretched and unable to supply, large numbers of conscripts run away or surrender and on the homefront russias economy is destroyed.

An option would be EU membership for Ukraine but no NATO membership, similar to Austria.

Sorry, say what?

Are we looking at the same war?

yeah its another one of our "special" members around here that should have been banned ages ago.....

go to his profile, add him to your "foe" list and you never have to see his bullshit again in the threads.

You should be thankful to get a european point of view. Baking in your own doesnt help you.

As i said, we are in good mood to win this.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/transport/news/petrol-prices-soar-as-ukraine-conflict-panics-energy-markets/

Petrol prices soar as Ukraine conflict panics energy markets



It's a party alright bahahahahaah

Aristide wrote:Here in Europe we already reached the point how we can give russia a way out of this without losing face too much. Russias military is basicly beaten in Ukraine. Its rescources on the ground overstretched and unable to supply, large numbers of conscripts run away or surrender and on the homefront russias economy is destroyed.

An option would be EU membership for Ukraine but no NATO membership, similar to Austria.

You're living in a delusion brought about by info-war. How can Russia's resources possibly be stretched this close to its territory?

And with Macron talking about an EU army what you've said is not an option

The Russian economy survived the sanctions attack, there was no bank-run nor did the rouble lose more than 50% of its value. While the Russian military has destroyed all of the Ukraine's supplies of fuel and ammo, without destroying the Ukrainian army itself. It has been beaten back and unable to undertake any counter-offensives or use any initiative.

The largest and most combat capable group of the Ukrainian army in the Donbass is operationally surrounded. Mariupol is being cleared of the Azov neo-nazis, and this will be a huge propaganda victory. Then if negotiations don't work, the next city to be cleared will be surrounded and cleared will be Kharkov, at which point a new Ukrainian govt. or state altogether will be declared there, just as it was in Kharkov when the Bolsheviks entered there in 1919. At which point a lot of the Ukrainian army can surrender or switch sides, and several regions will defect.
Kiev is close to being surrounded, although taking it is not on the cards for now
The Russians at the moment are doing only tactical advances because that's all they need to do.
Dnepropetrovsk region is being crept into from the south, while Nikolayev is close to being encircled.

There were no large numbers of conscripts running away or surrendering. There aren't that many conscripts employed in the operation. The first 3 days had plenty of confusion and low morale probably, as I'd imagine that no-one was even told about the operation other than the commanders. There were orders not to risk any civilian casualties at any cost, hence a lot of units were ambushed. There were a lot of angry Ukrainian villagers draining morale.
A lot of loses over the first 3 days, abandoned or surrounded hardware, and destroyed logistics columns. That happened for the next 4 days as well, with loses to airpower and air defense systems. But now supply lines have been secured and checkpoints set up, while air-power is used more conservatively.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Aristide wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukraine is already a defeated state, territorial losses encompass 50% of the country

Mariupol is undergoing denazification

Kherson is liberated

Kharkov is 50% denazified

Kiev has lost Brovary, Makarov, Irpen, and soon southern approach Boryspil

We are knocking on the door of Kruvy Rog

And now begin kalibration of galicia, Lutsk, Ivanofrankovsk

We dont want to deal with europe anymore, go destroy what is left of the EU

We are already commencing USSR 2, and we are eternally grateful to Josep Borell and the EU parliament for the gift

We are nationalizing all your airplanes and buying parts from Turkey and India

We will russify Renault too

Merci beaucoup connard

The airplanes are worth 10 billion €. Thanks to your central bank we have 380 billion € of your assets. You can keep the planes amigo. They wont fly anyways in a matter of months.

The sheer amount of assets that we took from Russia are so gigantic, no matter what you do, you vant compensate that. 380 billion on national bank assets alone. Do you sue your national bank leader for treason?

You also dont understand one thing. You have massive losses in Ukraine and the Ukrainians firecly fight against you. Supplied with an endless stream of weapons. You conquer burning rubble, ruins and dead land and pay for this with complete economic wipe out.


Btw what we do are not sanctions. Its special economic operations to stabilize and deputinize Russia.

All your plants will be russified,  we have your intellectual property and its gonna be good

We gonna print a ton of rubles , all is going according to plan 

Meanwhile your gas is at 2.5 euro per liter an rising

On top of it your politicians lament they have gone as far as they can go with sanctions

We have called the bluff of the west and we shit on your relations hahaha

Now go find how you run Europe with Qatar 

As for Ukraine, it's a done deal, we are vaccinating them against russophobia , the european variant

Amigo...i pay 12.000 € for antarctica cruise, do you think gas prices bother me the slightest?

We have russian assets worth 380 billion €.

As i said we look at this quite relaxed and with great interest.

Aristide wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukraine is already a defeated state, territorial losses encompass 50% of the country

Mariupol is undergoing denazification

Kherson is liberated

Kharkov is 50% denazified

Kiev has lost Brovary, Makarov, Irpen, and soon southern approach Boryspil

We are knocking on the door of Kruvy Rog

And now begin kalibration of galicia, Lutsk, Ivanofrankovsk

We dont want to deal with europe anymore, go destroy what is left of the EU

We are already commencing USSR 2, and we are eternally grateful to Josep Borell and the EU parliament for the gift

We are nationalizing all your airplanes and buying parts from Turkey and India

We will russify Renault too

Merci beaucoup connard

The airplanes are worth 10 billion €. Thanks to your central bank we have 380 billion € of your assets. You can keep the planes amigo. They wont fly anyways in a matter of months.

The sheer amount of assets that we took from Russia are so gigantic, no matter what you do, you vant compensate that. 380 billion on national bank assets alone. Do you sue your national bank leader for treason?

You also dont understand one thing. You have massive losses in Ukraine and the Ukrainians firecly fight against you. Supplied with an endless stream of weapons. You conquer burning rubble, ruins and dead land and pay for this with complete economic wipe out.


Btw what we do are not sanctions. Its special economic operations to stabilize and deputinize Russia.

Mais fermes ta grande gueule de frouzes, comme tout tes compatriotes vous avez une grandes gueules et personnes n'arrivent à vous blairer...

Les sanctions, comme souvent, derrière le manteau le commerce continue et continuera, un peu comme Israël qui a toujours acheté du pétrole iranien...

Les gens en occident sous estime la puissance de l'armée russe à cause de la guerre de l'information, les réseaux sociaux donnent une image biaisé du conflit. A l'échelle de la taille de l'Ukraine, la Russie est loin de subir un échec...mais bon, ce n'est pas donné au LowQi de le comprendre. On fera le bilan dans 6 mois.

En attendant, le frouze, allez préparer vos élections avec vos candidats en mousse...et vos zones de non-droit où vous longez les murs comme des couillons...

English translation:

But shut your big mouth of frills, like all your compatriots you have a big mouth and no one can badger you...

Sanctions, as so often, behind the cloak trade continues and will continue, much like Israel which has always bought Iranian oil...

People in the West underestimate the power of the Russian army because of the information war, social networks give a biased picture of the conflict. On the scale of the size of Ukraine, Russia is far from suffering a failure...but hey, it's not given to the LowQi to understand it. We'll take stock in 6 months.

In the meantime, le frouze, go prepare your elections with your candidates by mousse...et your areas of lawlessness where you walk along the walls like quacks...

Thank you for the english translation, which is a forum requirement when posting in non english languages.

I dont need CNN. I have a friend in Ukraine who collects fossils and meteorites. He shows me whats going on.

If you're in such a good mood and on the winning side why don't you give Zelensky those Migs he's been crying about every night. Stingers are not going to win you any wars (not even in Afghanistan like some of you like to believe). Yes lots of people die in wars like Yemen, Lybia, Iraq, Syria and even now but those figures you mention is pure fake propaganda but yes keep believing!

The video of the Mi-24 going down is CGI fake - just the camera take should tell you that. Ukr posted so many fake shit from PC games that they have absolutely no street cred. This is war and shit happens and it happens on both sides but not according to the propaganda from your side.

You are defending pure unadulterated fascists. Your granddad would be ashamed of you.

Arkanghelsk wrote:We are nationalizing all your airplanes and buying parts from Turkey and India

We will russify Renault too

Hope Russia does a complete ban on Titanium shipment from VSMPO. It will have good impact on Boeing and Airbus.
All current deals needs to be thrown in dustbin and new deals as per market rates needs to be done for all deals regarding Oil, Gas, Titanium shipments, rocket shipments, etc.

Everything needs to be done in Gold.
No more friendly prices should be there or any discounts, citing devaluation of Ruble.


As for the Renault, it should have been done back when Mistrals was denied by the French. It didn't happen then, hope atleast now its done. All the ~75% Renault shares in AVTOVAZ.

ucmvulcan wrote:

Arsenic wrote:

Aristide wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukraine is already a defeated state, territorial losses encompass 50% of the country

Mariupol is undergoing denazification

Kherson is liberated

Kharkov is 50% denazified

Kiev has lost Brovary, Makarov, Irpen, and soon southern approach Boryspil

We are knocking on the door of Kruvy Rog

And now begin kalibration of galicia, Lutsk, Ivanofrankovsk

We dont want to deal with europe anymore, go destroy what is left of the EU

We are already commencing USSR 2, and we are eternally grateful to Josep Borell and the EU parliament for the gift

We are nationalizing all your airplanes and buying parts from Turkey and India

We will russify Renault too

Merci beaucoup connard

The airplanes are worth 10 billion €. Thanks to your central bank we have 380 billion € of your assets. You can keep the planes amigo. They wont fly anyways in a matter of months.

The sheer amount of assets that we took from Russia are so gigantic, no matter what you do, you vant compensate that. 380 billion on national bank assets alone. Do you sue your national bank leader for treason?

You also dont understand one thing. You have massive losses in Ukraine and the Ukrainians firecly fight against you. Supplied with an endless stream of weapons. You conquer burning rubble, ruins and dead land and pay for this with complete economic wipe out.


Btw what we do are not sanctions. Its special economic operations to stabilize and deputinize Russia.

Mais fermes ta grande gueule de frouzes, comme tout tes compatriotes vous avez une grandes gueules et personnes n'arrivent à vous blairer...

Les sanctions, comme souvent, derrière le manteau le commerce continue et continuera, un peu comme Israël qui a toujours acheté du pétrole iranien...

Les gens en occident sous estime la puissance de l'armée russe à cause de la guerre de l'information, les réseaux sociaux donnent une image biaisé du conflit. A l'échelle de la taille de l'Ukraine, la Russie est loin de subir un échec...mais bon, ce n'est pas donné au LowQi de le comprendre. On fera le bilan dans 6 mois.

En attendant, le frouze, allez préparer vos élections avec vos candidats en mousse...et vos zones de non-droit où vous longez les murs comme des couillons...

Isn't writing in languages other than English a violation of this forum's TOS?  Go to hell you cheese eating surrender monkey.

I answer in French because he is a French idiot

Mir wrote:

I dont need CNN. I have a friend in Ukraine who collects fossils and meteorites. He shows me whats going on.

If you're in such a good mood and on the winning side why don't you give Zelensky those Migs he's been crying about every night. Stingers are not going to win you any wars (not even in Afghanistan like some of you like to believe). Yes lots of people die in wars like Yemen, Lybia, Iraq, Syria and even now but those figures you mention is pure fake propaganda but yes keep believing!

The video of the Mi-24 going down is CGI fake - just the camera take should tell you that. Ukr posted so many fake shit from PC games that they have absolutely no street cred. This is war and shit happens and it happens on both sides but not according to the propaganda from your side.

You are defending pure unadulterated fascists. Your granddad would be ashamed of you.

This does not look fake for me. helicopters are always easy prey to advanced MANPADS

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t9lwfa/in_mykolaiv_region_another_occupants_helicopter/

My grandfather is alive amigo and celebrates Ukraine.

It inspires people here how they bravely fight against barbarian hordes. Its bit like the persian wars.

French ran away from us in Sahel

They run from us in Ukraine

We have submitted the largest army in Europe

Zelensky is on drugs and the rest of them are crying or begging for french help that will never come

You and your grandpa can be queers far from us

But dont make us come to Paris and denazify you too

We won't have the same mercy as we did in Ukraine

flamming_python wrote:
Kiev is close to being surrounded, although taking it is not on the cards for now

The Russians should not bother trying to take it - not worth all the unnecessary blood. Just keep it hungry and cold and make a lot of noise at night.