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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #8 SeigSoloyvov Fri Mar 25, 2022 3:04 pm
Arkanghelsk wrote:Yes this is a successful operation, the hardest part was done
With 1351 KIA it is a success of epic levels more successful than Iraq and Afghanistan for sure
Ukrainian KIA are insane
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Arkanghelsk wrote:The war is a success, for sure NATO could not have carried out such a success
With small losses, and minimal collateral damage
Russia rewrites history of war
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #8 SeigSoloyvov Fri Mar 25, 2022 3:06 pm
SeigSoloyvov wrote:
No Mari was a smaller city by all standards, Places like Khakrov and Sumy will be much much harder.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #8 SeigSoloyvov Fri Mar 25, 2022 3:10 pm
Regular wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:
No Mari was a smaller city by all standards, Places like Khakrov and Sumy will be much much harder.
Kharkov - yes, but Sumi? Any reason why it will be harder there? It's not as dense and less populated.
Arkanghelsk wrote:Yes this is a successful operation, the hardest part was done
With 1351 KIA it is a success of epic levels more successful than Iraq and Afghanistan for sure
Ukrainian KIA are insane
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Ukie is defending it harder than they were Mari.
End of the day people here will claim Russia outsmarted Ukie with Mari but the reality is, holding that city wasn't feasible for them.
So they made the correct tactical choice to remove most of their forces and focus efforts on more sensible locations., the ones who stayed behind disobeyed orders to withdraw
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #8 flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 4:00 pm
SeigSoloyvov wrote:Regular wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:
No Mari was a smaller city by all standards, Places like Khakrov and Sumy will be much much harder.
Kharkov - yes, but Sumi? Any reason why it will be harder there? It's not as dense and less populated.
Ukie is defending it harder than they were Mari.
End of the day people here will claim Russia outsmarted Ukie with Mari but the reality is, holding that city wasn't feasible for them.
So they made the correct tactical choice to remove most of their forces and focus efforts on more sensible locations., the ones who stayed behind disobeyed orders to withdraw
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #8 flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 4:05 pm
walle83 wrote:Autodestruct wrote:walle83 wrote:Isos wrote:Facts is that Russia forces have fucked up, and shown weakness and incomptense that make western leaders shake thier heads.
You should stop drinking ukrainian propaganda... try water it's very good for your body.
How is that Ukrainian propaganda? Does it seem to be going well for the Russians? They have stalled in thier progress and with a minimum of 7-10.000 kia just 4 weeks in its nothing but a disaster.
That's a fantasy, dude. Again, what is known is that the Ukrainians have a roughly 2:1 advantage in manpower. And they are relatively well (NATO) trained troops, and they are equipped with Western weapons, body armor, and such. They are also a well-informed military force (something Saddam's troops definitely were not!) because they are fed satellite info from the West and they have/had a large stock of UAV recon (not just the Bayraktars but also small quadcopters and such).
And yet after four weeks of fighting they haven't managed so much as even one sustained counteroffensive in the war. The Russians are actually doing quite well. Sure, I think the Russians believed the Ukrainian government would fold and flee at first - which didn't happen. That miscalculation has caused them trouble in that the large force near Kyiv is completely useless right now because the decisive battles that need to be won are in the east.
But on a tactical level the Russians are doing quite well. If the Ukrainians had brutalized them as much as you claim then they would be the ones on the advance. They're not. The best the Ukrainian military has managed is to implement a very good defense in depth. Indeed that is the only thing they can do. You have to have a lot of depth and a (well-trained and well-informed) manpower advantage to use this tactic. They are slowly losing both of these assets. The Ukrainians can fight for another month for sure. After that, their government will have to make a tough decision. Even though they have shown they don't want to.
If this is Russia doing well we cant be living on the same planet.
As always when Russia attacks they will only succeed with overwelming numbers.
Yes Russia could "win" in a month, it could also take another year before they controll the whole country.
The only thing you can say for sure is that this war has not gone accourding to Putins plans. Large numbers of civilans and soldiers will continue to die on both sides and that is all on Putin and Russia.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #8 flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 4:08 pm
Arkanghelsk wrote:As of March 25, 2022, 1,351 servicemen were killed, 3,825 were injured" - Ministry of Defense
Official KIA , well slightly higher than my estimate, but close and lower than expected
Over the month, the losses of Ukrainian troops amounted to about 30 thousand people, including more than 14 thousand irretrievable and about 16 thousand sanitary.
Yes , Ukraine WIA are much higher, and could be more KIA but Russia BDA has been spot on
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #8 GunshipDemocracy Fri Mar 25, 2022 4:14 pm
walle83 wrote:
If this is Russia doing well we cant be living on the same planet.
As always when Russia attacks they will only succeed with overwelming numbers.
Yes Russia could "win" in a month, it could also take another year before they controll the whole country.
The only thing you can say for sure is that this war has not gone accourding to Putins plans. Large numbers of civilans and soldiers will continue to die on both sides and that is all on Putin and Russia.
MOSCOW, March 25 - RIA Novosti. During a special operation, the Russian army destroyed 39 storage bases and arsenals, which contained up to 70% of all stocks of military equipment, materiel and fuel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel-General Sergei, First Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, said at a briefing in Moscow on Friday Rudskoy.
"39 storage bases and arsenals were destroyed, which contained up to 70% of all stocks of military equipment, materiel and fuel, as well as more than 1 million 54 thousand tons of ammunition," Rudskoy said.
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flamming_python wrote:
First of all its just confirmed KIA. Many might still be missing and not confirmed yet whether killed, wounded, or taken prisoner. When you're smoked by artillery there's often no way to confirm either way.
I'd imagine we have hundreds more KIA in actuality this way
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Podlodka77 wrote:TASS
During the operation in Ukraine, 1,351 servicemen were killed.
Russian Armed Forces lost 1,351 servicemen killed and 3,825 injured during the operation in Ukraine - Russian Defense Ministry.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14187031
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This practically corresponds to my assessment of the level of actually known cases of capture of prisoners.Arkanghelsk wrote:As of March 25, 2022, 1,351 servicemen were killed, 3,825 were injured" - Ministry of Defense
Official KIA , well slightly higher than my estimate, but close and lower than expected
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franco wrote:Podlodka77 wrote:TASS
During the operation in Ukraine, 1,351 servicemen were killed.
Russian Armed Forces lost 1,351 servicemen killed and 3,825 injured during the operation in Ukraine - Russian Defense Ministry.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14187031
Good news and all... but does this include National Guard units plus pretty sure it doesn't include Donetsk and Lugansk causalities.
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Serberus wrote:The west including their forum trolls here are witnessing Banderistan being slowly dismantled, denazified and disarmed despite years of providing them with training, arms and intelligence, so you cant blame them really , their impotence to do anything about is causing them delusions of grandeur, to scream out ridiculous things like how Putins plan isnt working, how Russians logistics are failing, running out of fuel and missiles, how close Russia is to losing the war, yet on the ground the exact opposite is occurring. Just enjoy their salty tears and ignore them
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ludovicense wrote:And if it weren't for the initial mistakes of allowing attacks from the rear when they stretched the lines too far without adequate protection the casualties would be much lower....
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mavaff wrote:1/3 ratio dead/wounded sounds about real for Russians, this is a kind of standard ratio. This, though, makes me think that the figures of Ukranians are kind of unrealistic. Either for the dead or the wounded.
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:Yes this is a successful operation, the hardest part was done
With 1351 KIA it is a success of epic levels more successful than Iraq and Afghanistan for sure
Ukrainian KIA are insane
No Mari was a smaller city by all standards, Places like Khakrov and Sumy will be much much harder.
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