Russian special military operation in Ukraine #21

Mir wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

nomadski wrote:Any Russian Air to Air missile has Nuclear or Emp warhead ? Most of these considerations will then become irrelevant . Americans had some . I wonder if they still have them ? I would arm with nukes now . Particularly the SAM to be used in Russian territory . Same with AA missiles over Russian territory  !

A nuclear air to air missile

There is no reason you'd need such a thing

The US had both a guided and an unguided nuclear tipped air to air missiles. The AIM-26 Falcon and the AIR-2 Genie (unguided rocket).

Isos wrote:Friendly fire it seems. I wonder if it is not some system given to Donbass separatists. Or worse Ukro cracked their IFF which is doubtfull since they change it every hour or so.

Too bad to loose 2 sukhoi in 2 days.

They need more strike drones and desperatly need the Checkmate to be mass produced.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Isos wrote:Friendly fire it seems. I wonder if it is not some system given to Donbass separatists. Or worse Ukro cracked their IFF which is doubtfull since they change it every hour or so.

Too bad to loose 2 sukhoi in 2 days.

They need more strike drones and desperatly need the Checkmate to be mass produced.

If it's friendly fire, that would be too many times it happened By militia

Those guys are claiming seversk fell every day, and then are shooting down expensive jets they're better as cannon fodder then air defense crews

Arkanghelsk wrote:For those who would say it happens, I agree

But still the su35 was hovering at high altitude

Why?

Certain units need to be dedicated to baiting and killing like SEAD is done with AAA and SHORADS

You can even utilize drones for the low flying portion and bait the AD to working on your drone, while hunters use Kh31 on the system when it shows up on Radar

But the su35 was up high, just flying without a care

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Has I said, planes will sometimes be on "patrol" for hours to quickly respond to say enemy aircraft, destroying a target etc. Etc to react fast, chances are the SU-35 was on patrol waiting for any potential orders and got targetted by DPR AA.

Its not really efficient to sortie them from a base and have them respond since by the time they arrive, get airborne, the window will have closed

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

nomadski wrote:Any Russian Air to Air missile has Nuclear or Emp warhead ? Most of these considerations will then become irrelevant . Americans had some . I wonder if they still have them ? I would arm with nukes now . Particularly the SAM to be used in Russian territory . Same with AA missiles over Russian territory  !

A nuclear air to air missile

There is no reason you'd need such a thing

Werewolf wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Changing IFF every hour? Lol no.

Planes will normally be in the air for hours, waiting for orders.

Changing IFF every hour is also not partial at all, this isn't some video game or war movie. No military does that every hour BS.

Chances are it was a militia AA, and that makes sense. Since the the DP or LNR guys would not be tied into Russians IFF systems.

But Ukraine could have shot down the 35, they still have plenty of AA left and as the saying goes, "throw enough shit at the wall and some will stick" etc fire enough missiles and you will get a plane eventually

Changing such a thing every hour would lead to fatal complications. Imagine one Jet stationed somehwere in southern parts of 2000km away from Moscow and then needs to fly to the west and enters friendly airspace with a different IFF code than the Moscow oblast' fighter jets. Sounds illogical.

The code to IFF is a blackbox and I have never found any informations on the software part of it other than the responsible transceivers.

Someone needs to provide more detailed information on that stuff, maybe LFMS, spherenox, FP, GarryB or mindstorm knows more about it?

Isos wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Changing IFF every hour? Lol no.

Planes will normally be in the air for hours, waiting for orders.

Changing IFF every hour is also not partial at all, this isn't some video game or war movie. No military does that every hour BS.

Chances are it was a militia AA, and that makes sense. Since the the DP or LNR guys would not be tied into Russians IFF systems.

But Ukraine could have shot down the 35, they still have plenty of AA left and as the saying goes, "throw enough shit at the wall and some will stick" etc fire enough missiles and you will get a plane eventually

Yes it can. You can even change it every 15min if you want.

They are programed to have multiple keys that will change automatically. You just put all the keys in the memory and it will switch at the time you want it to change. You can also program to change the frequency on which it works.

That's all programmed in the software. It's not WW2 anymore. I'm not talking about changing the software every hours.

This way if you use it against an enemy radar that record your IFF signal, they won't be able to use it to sneek in your radar network. If you keep the same IFF code all day long they just need to capture it and can use it 2 hours later to destroy your S-400.

IFF codes need to change very often. Even the germans used to change the codes of Enigma everyday, it was back in 1940. Today the frequency is higher.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Looks like it was Su35

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

nomadski wrote:Any Russian Air to Air missile has Nuclear or Emp warhead ? Most of these considerations will then become irrelevant . Americans had some . I wonder if they still have them ? I would arm with nukes now . Particularly the SAM to be used in Russian territory . Same with AA missiles over Russian territory  !

A nuclear air to air missile

There is no reason you'd need such a thing

thegopnik wrote:
Unironically i think a huge nuclear/EMP air to air missile sounds cool as hell, imagine 1000 F-35s being sent to Russia and one of those missiles wipes them all out in the air and the civilians below might be safe depending what alitutdes it detonated at. Not trolling but this sounds cool as a poseidon torpedo detonating in the ocean causing giant tidal waves to take out CSGs.

dionis wrote:

thegopnik wrote:
Unironically i think a huge nuclear/EMP air to air missile sounds cool as hell, imagine 1000 F-35s being sent to Russia and one of those missiles wipes them all out in the air and the civilians below might be safe depending what alitutdes it detonated at. Not trolling but this sounds cool as a poseidon torpedo detonating in the ocean causing giant tidal waves to take out CSGs.

Can a large EMP be created without a nuclear blast?

I can't really think of a more useful weapon for launching at enemy airfields or bases since all of their equipment will become worthless in a flash.

I remember vacuum-tube based electronics being EMP resistant, but no way are modern military computer chips?

dionis wrote:

thegopnik wrote:
Unironically i think a huge nuclear/EMP air to air missile sounds cool as hell, imagine 1000 F-35s being sent to Russia and one of those missiles wipes them all out in the air and the civilians below might be safe depending what alitutdes it detonated at. Not trolling but this sounds cool as a poseidon torpedo detonating in the ocean causing giant tidal waves to take out CSGs.

Can a large EMP be created without a nuclear blast?

I can't really think of a more useful weapon for launching at enemy airfields or bases since all of their equipment will become worthless in a flash.

I remember vacuum-tube based electronics being EMP resistant, but no way are modern military computer chips?

Erk wrote:

EMP is a nuclear blast see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse

It's the kind of thing you would use as a first strike in a nuclear war.

You would not use it to take out an airfield, you might use it to take out half of Ukraine in one go if you kept the nuke small enough.

dionis wrote:

Erk wrote:

EMP is a nuclear blast see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse

It's the kind of thing you would use as a first strike in a nuclear war.

You would not use it to take out an airfield, you might use it to take out half of Ukraine in one go if you kept the nuke small enough.

Why not use it to target an airfield? It would take a lot of cruise missiles to destroy all the aircraft there, and runways can be repaired quite quickly.

Just one hit of a non-nuclear EMP charge of some type would destroy the entire modern air arm at the airfield.