Russian special military operation in Ukraine #21

SolidarityWithRussia wrote:Those newly delivered German Gepard tanks don't look very impressive to me. Rather like Shilkas with a modernized equipment. Scholz has feared to send better weapons, because he knows Russian gas is vital for Germany.

In 2006 the Cheetah (Dutch Gepard with better radar) was considered obsolete against air threats and retired. Also back then, IIRC the Russian armed forces already had EW Mi-8s specially tasked to suppress the radar systems of these SPAAGs. The exact type of Mi-8 I don't know at the moment (Mi-8PP/PPA?)

The clear strategy (it took me a while to understand): destruction of Ukraine's manpower and equipment through massive artillery attacks and only then occupy the already "softened" terrain.
Russia is in no hurry to move forward, since in this tactic it has very few casualties, putting pressure on the West, which is forced to send more and more money and military equipment.
With that Russia is weakening the West economically, depleting its resources and depriving the "unfriendly" states of cheap and abundant gas, which will lead to the collapse of the industrial sector.
Just remembering that 4 European governments have already fallen, but I think Russia's biggest target politically is the fall of the German government. If the winter is too harsh, the German economy will be in shambles. Nothing would make Putin so happy.

The offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine towards the village of Andreevka across the Ingulets River failed.

Airborne and aviation forces multiplied the attackers by zero.

According to radio and mobile interception, the enemy will continue to attempt an offensive, also one soldier talking to his father said that they had to steal an excavator from a local ATP for faster burial of the fallen in battle, complains about a wild stench and that the bodies of brothers are heavily fragmented.

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**** sakes

The White House has "no indications of any delivery or purchase of Iranian drones by the Russian ministry of defense," says NSC spox John Kirby.

But adds that just the fact that Putin was pursuing a deal shows that "sanctions are having an effect"

As I said the whole time Russia was never going to receive drones from Iran. Just a way to create an axis for the US to push against and hope that the Saudis bought it.

I think Russia is more interested in getting parts for civilian aircraft from Iran.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2022-07-27/iran-support-russian-operated-airbus-and-boeing-jets

flamming_python wrote:I think Russia is more interested in getting parts for civilian aircraft from Iran.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2022-07-27/iran-support-russian-operated-airbus-and-boeing-jets

That I do support for Boeing and Airbus planes to pirate them

flamming_python wrote:I think Russia is more interested in getting parts for civilian aircraft from Iran.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2022-07-27/iran-support-russian-operated-airbus-and-boeing-jets

Only way to save their civilian aircraft is to replace them.

Start with il-114, SSJ-100, MS-21 and il-96. Those 4 should be enough for a big part of the civilian needs. 3 of them are in production while MS-21 is also flying. But they need to replace western parts.

They should invest massively in that field because that's where sanctions heart them the most.

real or fake?

11E wrote:Sounds like an excellent plan to me, bring the war to the adversary country and not on your own soil. Piss in the hall of his parliament and declare the war won.

Nah, just the ukies tricking the Russians to annihilate them

Isos wrote:Only way to save their civilian aircraft is to replace them.

Start with il-114, SSJ-100, MS-21 and il-96. Those 4 should be enough for a big part of the civilian needs. 3 of them are in production while MS-21 is also flying. But they need to replace western parts.

They should invest massively in that field because that's where sanctions heart them the most.

Probably big plans for cooperation in civilian aviation between those two. Probably Iran will want a part in the supply chain of Russian industry in order to start ordering planes by them in big scale. What is not clear to me is whether Iran has pieces for Western aircraft that they can send to Russia to support the existing fleet in the meantime.

BTW chief of IRGC told few days ago about big plans to build and buy top of the line defence products, in the context of strategic talks with Russia. Iran will be a hardcore member of the multipolar world and a key player in the Eurasian integration.

Not sure if this was posted. The Anglo scum is glory hunting again. Yes the idea sounds ridiculous. But these things, rather unlikely, do happen. They probably poured a lot of effort into this plan and it was all for not. The Anglo scum will do anything for a big propaganda win. It is all they care about.

RIA Novosti: Ukrainian secret services tried to organize the hijacking of a Russian combat aircraft

Here are the details:

Ukrainian secret services considered hijacking an Su-24 bomber, an Su-34 supersonic fighter-bomber and a Tu-22M3 strategic supersonic missile bomber during a mission.

They promised to pay the pilot up to $2 million for the hijacking, including an advance payment of $4,000 via couriers. They also assured the pilot that the EU would help ensure his safety, and promised to transfer the pilots' wives to the Baltics, Germany and Bulgaria.

In fact, according to a Russian FSB official, the Ukrainians were planning to take hostage the family of the Russian military pilot, who would have delivered the aircraft to Ukraine.

To confirm the pilot was ready for the hijacking, they demanded a video of him holding a number previously sent by the Ukrainian secret service in front of the aircraft.

The plan included poisoning the navigator of the plane with clofelin, the drug was delivered to Volgograd and hidden in a secret place in the forest, where it was seized by Russian counterintelligence officers.

"It is obvious that the operation was carried out with the support of Western, primarily British, intelligence services," the FSB reported. Moreover, the chief investigator of Bellingcat (recognised as a foreign agency in Russia) Khristo Grozev took part in the operation, according to the material released by the FSB. According to a representative of the secret service, "Grozev's involvement in MI6 is known, and not only from his own declarations".

Ukrainian military readily exposed plans of their air defence locations and airfields. They handed over the plans for air defence zones in south-eastern Ukraine, of Ozernoye airfield (Chernigov region) and Starokonstantinov airfield (Khmelnitsky region), the altitude maps of the vicinities of Priluki airfield in Chernigov region and Zhitomir airfield. They also revealed that portable anti-aircraft systems (MANPADs) were concentrated in the inhabited areas.

Ukrainian security services have also breached one of the basic rules of intelligence - their officers have exposed not only their affiliation with the intelligence service, but also their appearance and location, the FSB said.

Ukrainian military were planning to land the hijacked aircraft at Kanatovo airfield in Kirovograd region. The Russian Defence Ministry reported on July 24 that Ukrainian Air Force aircrafts were damaged by a missile strike at Kanatovo.

LMFS wrote:

11E wrote:Sounds like an excellent plan to me, bring the war to the adversary country and not on your own soil. Piss in the hall of his parliament and declare the war won.

Nah, just the ukies tricking the Russians to annihilate them

Isos wrote:Only way to save their civilian aircraft is to replace them.

Start with il-114, SSJ-100, MS-21 and il-96. Those 4 should be enough for a big part of the civilian needs. 3 of them are in production while MS-21 is also flying. But they need to replace western parts.

They should invest massively in that field because that's where sanctions heart them the most.

Probably big plans for cooperation in civilian aviation between those two. Probably Iran will want a part in the supply chain of Russian industry in order to start ordering planes by them in big scale. What is not clear to me is whether Iran has pieces for Western aircraft that they can send to Russia to support the existing fleet in the meantime.

BTW chief of IRGC told few days ago about big plans to build and buy top of the line defence products, in the context of strategic talks with Russia. Iran will be a hardcore member of the multipolar world and a key player in the Eurasian integration.

China (regardless of what they say publicly), India and Turkey will sell parts to Russia. If the US and EU make a stink, Russia can cut of Titanium and bring plane production to a halt. So everyone will just go along with the charade.

LMFS wrote:

11E wrote:Sounds like an excellent plan to me, bring the war to the adversary country and not on your own soil. Piss in the hall of his parliament and declare the war won.

Nah, just the ukies tricking the Russians to annihilate them

Isos wrote:Only way to save their civilian aircraft is to replace them.

Start with il-114, SSJ-100, MS-21 and il-96. Those 4 should be enough for a big part of the civilian needs. 3 of them are in production while MS-21 is also flying. But they need to replace western parts.

They should invest massively in that field because that's where sanctions heart them the most.

Probably big plans for cooperation in civilian aviation between those two. Probably Iran will want a part in the supply chain of Russian industry in order to start ordering planes by them in big scale. What is not clear to me is whether Iran has pieces for Western aircraft that they can send to Russia to support the existing fleet in the meantime.

BTW chief of IRGC told few days ago about big plans to build and buy top of the line defence products, in the context of strategic talks with Russia. Iran will be a hardcore member of the multipolar world and a key player in the Eurasian integration.

Actually Iran is under sanctions for years and they just recently had access to new airbus and boeing purchases which I think were again sanctioned under Trump.

IMO, not sure at all, they probably developed home made spare parts to keep the planes they had able to fly. They still have a 747 flying monthly to Syria which was grounded in south america few mobths ago.

But the help would be very very limited and even friendly country would not allow them to fly over their airspace with iranian spare parts.

It's the only area where sanctions will be catastrophic for Russia and hardly bypassed since Boeing and Airbus have total control over their planes sold around the world. But on the long terms, it will push Russia to invest in its own industry and airbus/boeing can forget about russian market.

Add to this China has finished tests of its C-919 and will start producing it in the next week/months which will make airbus and boeing loose a huge market. They just saw what they did to Russia so they certainly won't let their air companies be 100% dependant on those two producers. Thry know they will be the next to be sanctionned for no reason.

mnztr wrote:


real or fake?

Looks fake-ish

But I suspect this hoo-ha about the bridge is more about damaging the civilian economy of the city, interrupting food supplies, humanitarian convoys and other things - than targeting military supply routes or some such

The military will get what they need through one means or another. It's quite laughable that they would be cut-off this close to Russian territory. Ukies have been cut off for weeks in some areas much more thoroughly, but still resisted for a long time and had enough supplies stored. Believe me, the Kherson group is in no danger of running out of food or ammo or not being able to get more of anything they need.

The Antonovsky bridge is also reportedly only 1 of 3. There is also the railway bridge, and another smaller one - all of which can be used to deliver supplies.
But the economy and civilian mobility will be affected. Kherson is an agricultural region and the city itself is the largest market for the surrounding farmers. Many people I imagine also live in the suburbs of the city or outside and rely on the bridge to commute. The city being cut-off now from the Ukrainian economy and supply-chain, is also reliant on supplies from Russia and integration with the Crimean supply chains for a range of goods.

Another big loss for Ukraine. 40-50 soldiers in one attack. You would think that they would not stay so close in a same place knowing russian ability to strike their bases with cruise missile but no they do it.

mnztr wrote:


real or fake?

Genuine photoshop.

Can normies stop pretending that bellingcat is even remotely objective now? It goes beyond this as thry openly work with spooks in nefarious plots.

Isos wrote:Another big loss for Ukraine. 40-50 soldiers in one attack. You would think that they would not stay so close in a same place knowing russian ability to strike their bases with cruise missile but no they do it.

The Bandera regime still keeps their hohol conscripts together in large groups to prevent them from sneaking away from nazi defense units and surrendering to Russia, which many of them would do given the opportunity.

Western media articles still talking about how Russia has failed to stop Ukrainian air force and how Ukraine still has a meaningful air force.

Recently we have only heard of 1's or 2's of su-25 or Mig-29 being shot down. We have heard of no successful airstrikes from Ukrainian air force. I would have guess that's because A) Ukraines air force has been reduced to almost nothing. B) they have decided that aircraft is no longer a viable asset to the war.

Big hype now on artillery MLRS and HIMARS. For a while all we heard was Ukraine was getting aircraft which resulted in a small number of outdated su-25 and mig-29 and handful of parts, then it was Bayraktar TB2 was going to be the saving grace which ended up being taken down in decent numbers, then onto switchblade drones to which we haven't heard any serious success stories from Ukraine, T-72 and leopard 1 tanks ended up being destroyed on route to front line, along with other western armour, NLAW, javelin, panzerfaust, stinger and old faulty igla ended up either in the hands of Donbass troops and used against Ukrainian troops or they were sold by Ukrainian troops to terrorists. Now it's artillery M777, Dana, Caesars, MLRS and HIMARS although it does seem Ukraine hadn't got the numbers it expected. France has stated that no more Caesars will be sent to Ukraine as has fallen below what it currently needs for its armed forces and needs to build more it's armed forces. Poland has talked about a Ukrainian purchase of 50 Krab although I don't see how Ukraine can purchase anything unless uncle Sam is paying. 50 Krab will take some time to build, test, train Ukrainian soldiers does Ukraine have 2-3 months left in the Donbass? HIMARS doesn't seem to be doing the destructive damage the Ukrainians or west thought. I wonder what type of equipment will be next????

What it seems like to me as soon as Ukraine get a new toy it isn't long before Russia ends up finding a way to destroy it, or reduce its effects on the battlefield. I seriously think the west is slowly giving up, fed up of sending arms to Ukraine fed up of sending money, and seeing zero progress other than delaying the war and sending many untrained young and old Ukrainians to their grave. It's actually quite sad to think Ukrainians are being brainwashed into thinking they are winning and stand a chance. After Donbass has been liberated I think majority of the territorial militia conscripts (if there's any left ) Will be at the point of giving up completely and only the die hard Nazis, and the stupid will continue to fight. Let's hope the civilians ended up revolting against the government and this can be over quicker.

Recently we have only heard of 1's or 2's of su-25 or Mig-29 being shot down. We have heard of no successful airstrikes from Ukrainian air force. I would have guess that's because A) Ukraines air force has been reduced to almost nothing. B) they have decided that aircraft is no longer a viable asset to the war.

No proof it ever happened. Buks are keeping them well outside of their weapon range. 45-75km for buk compare to 3-5km for dumb rockets.

They hope to get f-16 now which won't happen.

Isos wrote:

Recently we have only heard of 1's or 2's of su-25 or Mig-29 being shot down. We have heard of no successful airstrikes from Ukrainian air force. I would have guess that's because A) Ukraines air force has been reduced to almost nothing. B) they have decided that aircraft is no longer a viable asset to the war.

No proof it ever happened. Buks are keeping them well outside of their weapon range. 45-75km for buk compare to 3-5km for dumb rockets.

They hope to get f-16 now which won't happen.

Awww, Monino needs an A-10 and F-16 in its collection

ludovicense wrote:The clear strategy (it took me a while to understand): destruction of Ukraine's manpower and equipment through massive artillery attacks and only then occupy the already "softened" terrain.
Russia is in no hurry to move forward, since in this tactic it has very few casualties, putting pressure on the West, which is forced to send more and more money and military equipment.
With that Russia is weakening the West economically, depleting its resources and depriving the "unfriendly" states of cheap and abundant gas, which will lead to the collapse of the industrial sector.
Just remembering that 4 European governments have already fallen, but I think Russia's biggest target politically is the fall of the German government. If the winter is too harsh, the German economy will be in shambles. Nothing would make Putin so happy.

It is this. Slow but sure progress. Few casualties.
Drain western resources. Russia has the energy, it has resources to spare.
Russia is looking for a Western economic collapse, a global reset with its conditions (and China).

JohninMK wrote:My highlight. Hope they don't expect to take delivery or expect the same deal from the new landowners, the people of Ukraine's republics. No doubt the cash paid, if any yet and then for an option to buy, is safe in a western bank.

Geo_monitor
@colonelhomsi
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Jul 26
It turns out that three large multinational companies Cargill, DuPont and Monsanto have already bought 17 million hectares of Ukrainian agricultural land.

This is more than 60% of the total agricultural land in Ukraine.

Well they've wasted their capital, as when Russia takes the lot they won't honour the corrupt apparatchiks who disposed of the Ukrainian peoples land and filled their own pockets. No, it will all be re-nationalised and no compensation will be paid.

Agree . Liberation is not just about the liberation of Russian speakers , but also Ukrainian speakers , who got into a fight . Even before Feb offensives by Russia , the conflict had displaced 1.5 million people with 14000 killed and many injured . A suitable solution will also benefit Ukraininan people , free them from war and need for war and dependence on West for survival .

If Bridges are being destroyed by Nazi/ NATO strategists , then it means that they are in no hurry to cross the River to East regions . And Russia can also destroy these Bridges used for military transport . Striking West against NATO then can be done through Belorussia , or alternatively once Odessa is liberated , then ground troops can strike North from that region . This incident with Bridge , is good opportunity for Russia to exercise a Sea( River ) / Land operation of supply , in readiness for Odessa later .