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    Russian Civil Aviation: News #5

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Wed May 24, 2023 3:18 pm

    Well, after the news from the other day it was to be expected.
    I am curious to know who will be now buying Let L410, if they lose all of the russian world (main customer base).

    Furthermore now Africa, another potential market, is it mainly in Russian and Chinese hands.

    And there are already other western alternatives, like the Dornier 228 or the Twin otter, plus also Brazilian planes (embraer 110 plus a new one coming next year) and the polish copy/ modernisation of the An-28.

    Basically there is market for a new russian model, but Czech producers will have to face competition in their possible markets from Germany/India (Do-228 NG), Canada (twin otter), Poland (M-28) and Brasil/ Portugal...

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    Post  GarryB Wed May 24, 2023 3:45 pm

    The sooner they can get Russian planes the better... and they will likely also be cheaper to buy too.

    I am curious to know who will be now buying Let L410, if they lose all of the russian world (main customer base).

    It is like Ukraine stopping selling engines to the Russian Navy... destroying their custom with their primary customer, but their primary customer wont suddenly decide they don't need ships any more, they will spend money and develop their own alternative and make them in their own new factories on new tools and equipment using new technology and probably end up with better products that they will then offer to sell to the rest of the world in competition with your old crap.

    The Russians are so lucky that the west has such an inflated view of their own importance.

    When they limited or stopped importing Russian energy they thought Russia would collapse and not sell it to anyone else... it didn't occur to them that anyone else might buy Russian energy with it being so cheap and reliable, and they don't understand that Russia could make everything it needs for itself if it wanted to but sometimes it is easier to buy from others.

    The west made being independent of the west a necessity for Russia, but the west still needs Russia for a few things... note no real sanctions on Rosatom... which Hungary and France and the US kinda rely on quite a bit.

    And this is what I mean about this conflict in Ukraine continuing... because when it ends, no matter how it ends, the Czechs are going to resume supply of spare parts and support and hope that Russia goes back to using their aircraft... and I honestly don't see that happening.

    After you try to murder them by supporting nazis on their border, what sort of trade relationships can continue after that?

    You put yourself at the bottom of the list... business is business but they have now spent money on alternatives to sanctions items so they are going to follow through on that and replace your overpriced stuff and make their own.

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    Post  lancelot Wed May 24, 2023 4:23 pm

    Probably in 2 years Russia will start producing several aircraft including the Superjet-NEW and the MC-21. The Il-114 is also in an advanced state of development. LMS-901 is basically waiting for a Russian engine.

    Nearer the end of the decade it is also highly likely that the Chinese will have a highly developed civil aviation industry which will be able to export products with its own IP. As we speak the Chinese are testing their equivalent of the PD-14 engine, the CJ-1000A, on a test platform.
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    Much like the case with Russia's PD-14, the CJ-1000A is supposed to be the first of a family of engines. They are also working on equivalents of PD-8 (CJ-500), PD-35 (CJ-2000).

    The Chinese will not be relying on Western component suppliers for civil aviation forever.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed May 24, 2023 5:13 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Well, after the news from the other day it was to be expected.
    I am curious to know who will be now buying Let L410, if they lose all of the russian world (main customer base).

    Furthermore now Africa, another potential market, is it mainly in Russian and Chinese hands.

    And there are already other western alternatives, like the Dornier 228 or the Twin otter, plus also Brazilian planes (embraer 110 plus a new one coming next year) and the polish copy/ modernisation of the An-28.

    Basically there is market for a new russian model, but Czech producers will have to face competition in their possible markets from Germany/India (Do-228 NG), Canada (twin otter), Poland (M-28) and Brasil/ Portugal...

    The Czech economy is subsidised by the EU anyway. They pay the bills, and they call the tunes. A factory going out of business here or there is chump change.

    I believe there's a monument to the sex worker for the Western sex-tourist in Prague.
    Which just says it all really. And that's pretty much the policy of the country itself, sell your UN vote and foreign policy and Soviet-era stocks of weapons and your national dignity for money from Europe.
    The Ukraine wanted the same deal, only in addition to all that they also had to Nazify and militarize their society and build up for a new blitzkrieg against the Donbass and then the Crimea, and that's where the problem occured.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Wed May 24, 2023 5:55 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    Much like the case with Russia's PD-14, the CJ-1000A is supposed to be the first of a family of engines. They are also working on equivalents of PD-8 (CJ-500), PD-35 (CJ-2000).

    The Chinese will not be relying on Western component suppliers for civil aviation forever.

    Good for China. I am not that familiar with those engines, do you know how do they compare with western and russian engines?

    flamming_python wrote:
    The Czech economy is subsidised by the EU anyway. They pay the bills, and they call the tunes. A factory going out of business here or there is chump change.

    I believe there's a monument to the sex worker for the Western sex-tourist in Prague.
    Which just says it all really. And that's pretty much the policy of the country itself, sell your UN vote and foreign policy and Soviet-era stocks of weapons and your national dignity for money from Europe.
    The Ukraine wanted the same deal, only in addition to all that they also had to Nazify and militarize their society and build up for a new blitzkrieg against the Donbass and then the Crimea, and that's where the problem occured.
    My reply is off topic but I do not know where to post it.
    Well, this is a thing that will not last for long. The UN and its voting policy, which gives small puppet nations the same weight as India or Brazil does not make sense.

    Furthermore no voting right should be given to puppet nations.

    Anyway, the free money given to Poland, Czech Republic and balcan states is going to come to an end soon. After that I am curious how their economy and industries will survive. Now they are still able to exploit part of the legacy given from Soviet investment (even if that damaged Russia itself). I doubt someone will ever do the same again.

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    Post  lancelot Thu May 25, 2023 12:21 am

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Good for China. I am not that familiar with those engines, do you know how do they compare with western and russian engines?
    Those Chinese engines are not in service yet. So any performance claims would be speculative. They claim they want the CJ-1000A to be performance competitive with the French/US CFM LEAP they already use in the C919.

    The Chinese recently put the WS-20 into service in their Y-20 military transport. This is an engine which was designed to have similar performance to the older generation French/US CFM56 engine.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu May 25, 2023 6:02 pm

    https://aviation21.ru/v-tomskoj-oblasti-vozobnovyat-perevozki-v-trudnodostupnye-rajony-na-samolyotax-tvs-2ms/

    Transportation to hard-to-reach areas on TVS-2MS aircraft will resume in the Tomsk Region
    05/24/2023
    Department of Transport of the Tomsk Region

    The Tomsk aircraft building company Sibaerocraft has ordered a batch of TVS-2MS aircraft worth 145 million rubles. each with the possibility of expanding the contract for the resumption of intra-regional transportation in the Tomsk region. Rusaviaprom LLC is the executor of the contract, and Siberian Light Aviation may become the operator. This was reported by Interfax with reference to the director of Sibaerocraft LLC Ruslan Moiseev.

    Earlier, in April, the Department of Transport, Road Activities and Communications of the Tomsk Region announced its intention to restore air travel to remote areas of the region from June 1 until the end of 2023. We are talking about flights from Tomsk to the city of Kedrovy, as well as the villages of Kargasok and Novy Vasyugan in the Kargasoksky district. Now flights to these settlements are not performed, there is also no bus service. Kedrovy and Novy Vasyugan are located in a remote area among the Vasyugan swamps, the only way to get to them is by winter roads or all-terrain vehicles.

    “Our company has ordered four TVS-2MS aircraft, one aircraft is already in Tomsk, and you saw it today. It was assembled in Novosibirsk, but flight tests will be held at our site in Beryozkino. These aircraft will revive regional aviation in the Tomsk region and in the West Siberian region,” Ruslan Moiseev told reporters.

    The planes were produced by the Novosibirsk company Rusaviaprom. According to Aleksey Kryukov, General Director of the company, the first aircraft is being prepared for testing, in the future the contract may be expanded to meet the needs of the region to provide the entire air network up to 10-12 aircraft. He clarified that this is not the whole party, there will be an expansion.

    “The approximate need to close the entire route network of Kolpashevo, Novy Vasyugan, Kedrovy, Kargasok is about 10-12 aircraft. At the moment, the first aircraft is being prepared for testing. We hope that by the end of June it will receive a certificate of airworthiness,” Kryukov said, adding that the first four aircraft will be delivered by November, subsequent aircraft will be produced in the amount of 3-4 per year, depending on the needs of the customer.

    At the same time, different airlines are considered as an operator, in particular, a new company with regional participation can be created, or Siberian Light Aviation, which previously flew in the region, can fly aircraft.

    For the operation of aircraft, an operator is needed - an airline that will use these aircraft. We are considering attracting previously flying companies or creating a commercial operator, or following the example of Magadan, where a local airline has been created for such aircraft with the participation of the Ministry of Transport, which covers the region's need for transportation,” Alexey Kryukov explained.

    According to him, the cost of one aircraft is 145 million rubles. Flight range - 1 thousand km, passenger capacity - 12 people.

    In turn, Andrey Bogdanov, co-owner of the Siberian Light Aviation airline and adviser to the CEO, told reporters that the company is working on resuming flights within the region on TVS-2MS.

    “We are discussing the issue with the administration of the Tomsk region on the start of operation of TVS-2MS aircraft, it will be Aeroservice LLC, a subsidiary of the SiLA airline. There are a number of formalities for this aircraft to be able to fly on civil airlines. We are negotiating with the Department of Transport. It takes some time to register the aircraft, to obtain a certificate of certification, airworthiness. We are planning to resume the destinations where "SiLA" flew, as well as to Parabel. The sites are maintained in working condition, you can start,” Bogdanov said.

    In addition, Ruslan Moiseev said that Sibaerocraft plans to develop an aviation site in the village of Beryozkino near Tomsk. In particular, next year it is planned to concrete a 900-meter unpaved runway, and in the future it will be extended to 1,200 meters. Now the site is equipped with lighting equipment - it can receive flights around the clock. He did not name the exact amount of investment in the modernization of the site, noting that "we are talking about hundreds of millions of rubles."

    He also said that the transfer of the production of TVS-2MS aircraft from the Novosibirsk site of Rusaviaprom to Tomsk or its expansion is being discussed. “Now there are meetings and discussions with the Rusaviaprom plant and the authorities about the possible transfer of this enterprise or its expansion to the territory of the Tomsk region. But so far no decisions have been made, as conditions must be created for Rusaviaprom to start assembling TVS-2MS aircraft in the Tomsk Region and develop our aviation cluster. We look forward to subsequent meetings with the governor with the adoption of decisions and a road map,” Moiseev added.

    The SibNIA TVS-2MS Is a  Turboprop conversion of An-2 by Siberian Aeronautical Research Institute (SibNIA) using 820 kilowatts (1,100 shp) Honeywell TPE331-12UHR engine. First flown 5 September 2011.

    It is a metal plane, the one with composite wings (with no bracing struts or wires) and tail is instead the SibNIA TVS-2-DT, which first flight was the 10 June 2015.

    Finally, the SibNIA TVS-2-DTS – TVS-2-DT fitted with new all-composite fuselage


    As I posted earlier, there is probably market for both the Baikal and this An-2 upgrade under another name.

    The main problem is that it uses an American Honeywell TPE331-12UHR engine (with 1,100 shp), since the (1200 hp) Turboprop version of the VK-1600 is not ready yet.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:15 pm

    https://aviation21.ru/uzga-nameren-sertificirovat-samolyot-a-zamenu-l-410-v-2026-godu/

    UZGA intends to certify the aircraft to replace the L-410 in 2026
    06/03/2023, 20:12 2507

    A year ago, in June 2022, Russia adopted a comprehensive program for the development of the civil aviation industry and engine building for the period up to 2030, according to which the Ural Civil Aviation Plant (UZGA) was to produce 20 L-410 aircraft annually.

    In total, taking into account the successful implementation of import substitution programs, the delivery of 178 aircraft of this type was envisaged by the end of the decade. But the ban on the part of the European Union and the United States of supplies for the Russian aviation industry of any components, maintaining the airworthiness of these aircraft faced big problems. So, the operation of the L-410 was abandoned in the Komi Republic due to a lack of spare parts .


    In May, at the HeliRussia-2023 exhibition, Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade Oleg Bocharov announced that a new aircraft, which Russia and Belarus would create in cooperation, would replace the 19-seat Czech aircraft. Now the parties are negotiating the distribution of work on the project.

    A feature of the aircraft will be a non-retractable landing gear, restrictions on the cost of a flight hour and the cost of the machine. The glider will be developed in partnership by Russian and Belarusian specialists. As part of the power plant, it is planned to use the VK-800 engine, on-board radio-electronic equipment - a complex created by KRET in 2019.

    On the part of Russia, work in the project is entrusted to UZGA. The plant intends to certify and start transferring the new aircraft to customers in 2026, told representative of the enterprise, without disclosing the cost of the project.

    “We have studied in detail the market for local airlines, so we have an understanding of what type of aircraft will be most attractive to potential operators both in Russia and abroad,” said the UZGA representative.

    I know that they plan to have similarities with the Baikal and they have mastered the production of the similar sized l-410, but certifying the aircraft in 2 and a half years will be challenging.

    Luckily they have already the engine and most of the internal systems ready.

    Let's hope they make it.

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    Post  lancelot Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:21 pm

    https://rostec.ru/news/podgotovka-k-pervomu-poletu-ssj-new-vykhodit-na-finishnuyu-pryamuyu/
    Preparations for the first flight of SSJ-NEW enter the homestretch
    June 6, 2023

    At the Production Center of the Regional Aircraft Branch of the Irkut Corporation of the Rostec United Aircraft Corporation, an offsite session of the Scientific and Technical Council (STC) dedicated to the preparation of the first prototype SSJ-NEW aircraft for flight tests has ended.

    The session was attended by representatives of aircraft systems and components suppliers. Members of the Scientific and Technical Council highly appreciated the degree of readiness of the aircraft and the amount of system development, paying special attention to the issues of ensuring the safety of upcoming flights.

    “We have reached the finish line of preparing the SSJ-NEW for its first test flight. Specialists of our enterprises have done a lot of work on import substitution of all foreign aircraft systems for Russian ones. The aircraft received a domestic control system, avionics, chassis, hydraulic system, air conditioning system and much more. The first flight will take place in the near future, after checking the equipment on the ground. Their goal is to ensure the safety of passengers, because in the future, SSJ-NEW, together with the medium-haul MS-21, will become the basis of the fleet of Russian airlines. We understand how important this aircraft is for our country, and therefore we are doing everything possible to put it into mass production as soon as possible,” said Vladimir Artyakov, First Deputy General Director of Rostec State Corporation.

    Based on the results of the NTS, a final list of ground checks was formed, which the aircraft must pass before the start of flight tests. To speed up the test program, the SSJ-NEW will make its first flight on Franco-Russian SaM146 engines. The second prototype will begin a flight test program with domestically produced PD-8 engines, which are expected to arrive in Komsomolsk-on-Amur in the coming weeks.

    “Within a few weeks, we will begin factory development tests, within which the first flight will take place. At the next stage, the aircraft will be presented to Rosaviatsia specialists for certification tests, following which the import substituted systems will be approved for use on board the SSJ-NEW. This will allow the start of serial production and commercial operation of the aircraft. At each stage of testing, our unconditional priority will be to ensure the safety and reliability of equipment, because soon this aircraft will have to take passengers on board,” said Andrey Boginsky, Deputy General Director of UAC for Civil Aviation, General Director of Irkut Corporation.

    The SSJ-NEW aircraft is being created under the system and components import substitution program and will become another model in the family of currently operated SuperJet aircraft.

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    Post  ludovicense Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:50 pm




    Does anyone have more news on this twitter?

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:08 am

    I know that they plan to have similarities with the Baikal and they have mastered the production of the similar sized l-410, but certifying the aircraft in 2 and a half years will be challenging.

    Luckily they have already the engine and most of the internal systems ready.

    Let's hope they make it.

    Fixed undercarriage and limited price and operational costs... I suspect it will be simple and basic and pretty much a Russian An-2 with Russian bits and a Russian engine. (not suggesting it will or wont be a biplane or look like the An-2... it might just be a scaled up twin engined Baikal that is optimised for low cost operations.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:31 am

    ludovicense wrote:


    Does anyone have more news on this twitter?

    Here some more info

    https://aviation21.ru/il-96-400m-gotovyat-k-pervomu-polyotu/

    IL-96-400M being prepared for the first flight
    06/08/2023

    The first experimental wide-body Il-96-400M, created as part of the Il-96 family aircraft modernization program, is preparing for the first flight, the date of which will be determined by the scientific and technical council after ground checks and runs along the runway. This was reported in the press service of the United Aircraft Corporation.

    The aircraft received registration number 96115, the aircraft was painted in a new livery in the UAC corporate style. It is equipped with modern Russian avionics equipment, including a new avionics complex and other systems and components.

    The Il-96-400M is a deeply modernized version of the Il-96-300 with a lengthened fuselage, PS-90A1 engines and modern navigation equipment. The board, depending on the layout of the cabin, can take up to 400 passengers. The aircraft is capable of performing transcontinental flights without intermediate landings.

    In May 2016, at a meeting on the development of aviation in Sochi, it was decided to resume the production of Il-96-400M passenger aircraft. The Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov then said that it was planned to allocate about 50 billion rubles for the implementation of the liner production project for the period up to 2021.

    The program for upgrading the Il-96-300 to the Il-96-400M version involves the production of one prototype and six production vehicles. The total cost of the program is estimated at more than 53 billion rubles. The comprehensive program for the development of the aviation industry until 2030 determines the start of deliveries of the updated airliner from 2025, two aircraft per year. For six years, it is planned to build 12 Il-96-400M aircraft

    Basically the engines are the only thing that did not receive modernisation. It is an uprated version compared to the one on the il-96-300, but it existed already since many years and it was already used on the il-96-400T (stretched cargo version).

    Ideally if they are already testing all of the internal systems here it should partially simplify the development of the two engine version of the Il-96 with 2 PD-35 in the future.

    It would still require brand new wings and wingbox and probably also a longer undercarriage (landing gear) in order to allow the installation of much bigger engines.

    Eventually (after a good number of twin engine widebodies will have been built(probably after 2035)), the 12 built il-96-400 could be later taken for government roles (and one of them even even as flight tests bed in addition to the il-76 flying laboratory), since there the higher fuel consumption is less of a problem and the presence of 4 engines can be considered a plus (maybe a couple of them could also be converted into presidential aircrafts and sold to friendly countries unable to build their own long range planes (e.g Iran, Argentina, Venezuela, etc).

    Let's hope this also help the Voronezh (Vaso) assembly plant. I heard they also built next to it also some brand new buildings and infrastructure for the production of modern engine nacelles but I hope they solved also the issues with skilled workers and salaries. According to some russian blogs and websites, at least until s few years ago the situation was not so good and many skilled workers were "poached" by other enterprise with much better working conditions and pay (Irkut, first of all, but in some cases even Aviakor (that was almost bankrupt a couple of years ago)). If it is true, Russia and UAC should better align and organise the pay among the various plants.

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    Post  ludovicense Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:38 pm

    Few people may not have the perception of how impactful it will be when Russia and China manage to mass produce commercial aircraft type C 919 and MC 21... Aviation is one of the pillars of the American economy (Boeing in 2022 closed with a backlog of orders of 4,578 aircraft). Actually western since Airbus is European (order book at the end of 2022 was 7,239). They have the world and charge exorbitant amounts, in addition to leaving you tied up with everything: software updates, recalls, revisions, parts, labor .... I already worked in an air taxi company here in Brazi. I know this well...
    The success of these two countries in this segment, in fact, will be the liberation of the world from this "prison" that is imposed on us by these two companies.
    ....................................

    https://aviation21.ru/il-96-400m-gotovyat-k-pervomu-polyotu/

    very good site..I didn't know

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    Post  Kiko Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:48 pm

    Russia replaces air filters for foreign aircraft, 06.08.2023.

    Rosatom and Aeroflot replace air filters for airplanes.

    Aeroflot and JSC Science and Innovations (the managing company of the scientific division of Rosatom State Corporation) signed a contract for the production of air filters for ventilation systems in the cabins of foreign-made aircraft.

    The production of these filters according to the design solution of Aeroflot engineers was provided by experts from the AI ​​Leipunsky Institute of Physics and Energy, which is part of the scientific division of Rosatom. According to a press release received by the VZGLYAD newspaper, multi-stage tests of products manufactured by Rosatom confirmed their full compliance with the required level of safety. The calculated resource of domestic filters exceeds the indicators of foreign analogues by 20-25%, which makes them more cost-effective.

    In parallel with the work on import substitution of filters, the task of developing the use of other components of domestic production for their installation on foreign aircraft was solved. This practice of using components developed, produced and installed on aircraft under special PMA (Parts Manufacturer Approval) procedures is widely used abroad, the report says. The introduction of identical procedures in domestic civil aviation will increase import independence while maintaining a high level of security.

    Rosatom plans to continue cooperation with Aeroflot in order to further expand the range of imported components for foreign-made aircraft.

    https://vz.ru/news/2023/6/8/1215763.html

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:15 am

    I am curious to know who will be now buying Let L410, if they lose all of the russian world (main customer base).

    Wouldn't it be amusing if it was revealed that the Czechs agreed to cut off all trade and communication with the Russians on the basis of some American promise to open the US market for the Let aircraft.

    Of course opening the market is one thing but actually selling aircraft on that market that is likely already dominated by American and other western aircraft with the financial muscle to get sales and keep sales, so it might not work out the way they expect (which would be the American intention all along).

    The world is very much split up into factions and regions and the colonial times have not disappeared... being part of the british commonwealth, New Zealand could only buy bananas from british friendly countries and we never used to get bananas from french or american dominated regions for instance.

    Now we get them from all sorts of different places but some places we never do... the rules seem to have loosened, but still remain.

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    Post  lancelot Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:30 am

    It has nothing to do with what the Czechs want or not. Sales of vehicle parts to Russia are banned EU wide.
    Another reason for Russia to sabotage any future attempts at EU expansion.
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    Post  kvs Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:19 pm

    Russia and China need to strive to displace Boeing and Airbus on the world market. There is a demand there from the 85% of the world
    that does not want to toe the NATzO line. This means, for Russia, getting a move on with the PD-35 and other engine variants.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:33 am

    It has nothing to do with what the Czechs want or not. Sales of vehicle parts to Russia are banned EU wide.
    Another reason for Russia to sabotage any future attempts at EU expansion.

    The Czechs could easily have demanded exceptions like Hungary has done and said that Russia is the primary market for a product that makes a profit and employs workers and pays taxes in the Czech republic so we want an exemption because such light aircraft would make no contribution to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    Pretty clear they are not a sovereign country and cannot make decisions for themselves... a good reason to never buy anything they make in case your country gets on the wrong side of Brussels for whatever reason.

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    Post  Hole Sat Jun 10, 2023 11:33 am

    since there the higher fuel consumption
    A small price to pay for independence from the west. No more blackmailing. Cool

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Jun 10, 2023 12:25 pm

    Hole wrote:
    since there the higher fuel consumption
    A small price to pay for independence from the west. No more blackmailing. Cool
    For the government yes, but for private airlines which they also need to be competitive and have a profit it was an issue since until 2022 there were no restrictions nor import tariff on the acquisition of foreign planes.

    Since until last year Russia could not directly block the acquisition of foreign planes and the new fuel efficient russian engines (and widebodies) were (and still are) not yet in service, the only way for a private company to be able to use them without losing money was only to receive discounts on aviation fuel price when using russian made aircrafts.

    Of course now that is not a problem anymore, thanks to the sanctions that are a blessing in disguise for the russian aviation industry. Furthermore after the PD-35 will be ready and in service the russian widebodies will not even need fuel discounts to be competitive against western equivalents.

    By the way, Boeing and Airbus are probably not going to introduce brand new models for a while and some of the western engine companies are also not in the best situation and will probably start laying off some of the staff (including engineers and designer) not directly involved in assembly and production (of existing engine projects).  This means that, if this trend continues, in 5 years Russia will have PD-8, PD-14, PD-35 and derivatives, while some of the western companies will face difficulties in developing new engines and will have to relearn again what they were able to do in the past.

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    Post  lancelot Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:08 pm

    I do not expect the Western companies to release any whole new models other than the rehashes already in the pipeline i.e. 777X or A321XLR this decade. But there will be new technologies over next decade. The Western engine companies will by then have access to the technology used to make military variable cycle engines. So supersonic aircraft might come into service once again.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:08 am

    They would have to get quite a few countries to relax their rules on supersonic flights over land for supersonic aircraft to become interesting.

    I remember quite some time ago the belief was that with the 747 that aircraft would just get bigger and bigger and bigger, but really big aircraft are a pain in the arse... they take too long to load and embark passengers and on some flights they are hard to fill and if they fly half empty they are no longer profitable.

    One of the tactics european airlines are using to reduce flight times is to not sell all the seats on aircraft so they can fly lighter and burn less fuel and fly slightly faster than they would with a full passenger load.

    The US has imposed flightpath restrictions on Chinese airlines flying to the US so US airlines are not disadvantaged in competition where the Chinese airlines could take short cuts across Russian Airspace (and the US airlines can't).

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    Post  kvs Sun Jun 11, 2023 1:55 pm

    Supersonic airlines soon? Nope. Global warming regulations will prevent them from coming back in the west. They burn more fuel and
    produce more CO2 per passenger by a significant ratio no matter how advanced the engines are. At least not sci-fi engines.

    Also, the demand for $10,000 airline flights is going to diminish going forward in the west as it gets poorer. "You will own nothing and
    be happy" means down-scaling airline fleets.

    Where are these variable cycle jet engines deployed in any military today?

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:50 am

    https://aviation21.ru/novyj-rossijskij-dalnemagistralnyj-samolyot-poyavitsya-posle-2030-goda/

    New Russian long-haul aircraft will appear after 2030
    13.06.2023

    The creation of its own long-haul aircraft is scheduled for 2028-2030. Its development is underway. About itinformedin an interview with RIA Novosti, Deputy Prime Minister - Head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov.

    “Work was carried out with our partners from the People's Republic of China on a wide-body long-range aircraft (CR929 - note by Aviation of Russia ). Taking into account all the inputs from Western countries, changes will be made to our bilateral project,” he said in an interview on the eve of SPIEF, answering a question about the development of a Russian long-range aircraft.

    Denis Manturov explained that the joint development of the aircraft will continue, but Russia does not stand still and is creating its own long-haul airliner project, now the Zhukovsky Institute Research Center is engaged in researching new technologies and determining the appearance as part of the current Integral research work.

    Answering the question when the new airliner can take off, Manturov clarified that we are talking about the dates after 2030. “Perhaps in the period 2028-2030, but certainly not earlier,” he added.

    The head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade did not focus on the type of aircraft being created: whether it would be a narrow-body airliner (MS-21-400) or a wide-body one - a remotorized Il-96 with a composite wing. At the same time, the Irkut corporation is working on a version of the MS-21-400, and in Perm they are creating an engine for it with a thrust of 16,500 kgf.

    As for the remotorized Il-96, back in July 2021, then Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov said that the plans of the United Aircraft Corporation included remotorization and complete digitization of the machine. Later, in September, he confirmed his intention to redesign the aircraft for two high-thrust engines, but this, according to him, requires the readiness of the PD-35, as well as a large-scale modernization and development of a composite wing.

    I believe that both a long range version of the MC-21-400 able tò fly non stop From Moscow tò Vladivostok and a new widebody (derivative of the Il-96 with PD-35 engines and new wings) are needed.

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