Russian special military operation in Ukraine #32

Because they need to. After the 2nd or 3rd shot, the pzh2000 and krab are extremely accurate, due to a digital FCS and much longer range(30km regular round, 40km RAP, 60km Smart or excalibur, while 24.7km, regular, 30km RAP, 27km krasnopol for msta) . The msta and giatsint arent and without krasnopol, need to fire 10-50 rounds at a target to disable it..

Why do you keep talking about artillery like it is a short range cruise missile substitute?

Artillery is used against attacking and retreating infantry and vehicles... you don't aim for individual targets, you deliver a spread of explosive shells that covers the target area in fragments so that most things in that area get damaged or injured or destroyed.

Russian artillery will savage an area with fragments and HE and then move... orc artillery will be based on one or two vehicles and can fire a few shots and then run away... it is like comparing a forest fire to a candle.

But you think the candle is better... maybe for reading a book at night but when you have a forest of enemy soldiers you want to get rid of... a forest fire is best.

If they are quite close then you ask Pinocchio.

Russian ammo expenditure is a sign of obsolete tech, not superiority.

No, it is a sign that they are killing Orcs in large numbers at a time, while the Orcs are trying to kill Russians one at a time.

That being said, NATO artillery really doesn't cope withe xtended fire, but it doesn't need to. actual NATO coalition armies, with about 700-900 pzh2000, archer, krab, AS-90, paladin, M198 would the wipe the floor against 2000-3000 D-20s, 2S19M2, D-30s, msta-B, giatsint B, pion

And how effective would they be when irradiated.

The Orcs already have more than half of HATO artillery and are getting some systems before the HATO countries that own them have them... not to mention their ammo stocks.

Part of their problems with these guns is that they are using the ammo they have instead of using the special ammo each different gun requires and was made for their own gun system... HATO is designed to work as separate gangs who don't share ammo or equipment or tools, and when they do it all turns to crap.

As artillery pieces the HATO shit is only good at being very short range Tochkas... tiny payloads though...

You see HATO wants long range precision of a ballistic missile but for the price of artillery so they have ruined their artillery which can no longer deliver the amount of shells needed for most support roles... they wouldn't have enough ammo for that anyway, but at the same time they don't have the range or HE power of a proper ballistic missile... but I would think the 20-30 rounds of each you would have to fire to get the same effect as a 500kg warhead on target would cost more than a Tochka anyway.

Even if I accept that Ukraine is indeed shooting down Russian cruise missiles, I wonder how Ukraine, in the middle of a war, integrates NASAMS, IRIS-T, Gepard and S-300 into a common air defence network?

They likely receive messages from HATO countries monitoring from HATO airspace... which means small targets like drones and cruise missiles will be difficult for them to get early warning over...

There won't be coordination of systems, which will limit the effect they will have.

Some military analysts suggest that Greece was able to integrate S-300, Osa-AKM and Tor-M1 into NATO's air defence network so Ukraine has done something similar.

A decent IADS would use two way communication, which in this case would betray the locations of the air defence platforms... they will be using any AD vehicle that works... I doubt they would be upgrading them to HATO standard... which isn't a high standard for IADS.