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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
GunshipDemocracy Sat May 13, 2023 11:47 pm
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
Podlodka77 Sun May 14, 2023 12:14 am
I think that most of you should come to terms with the fact that the future of the world is neither Russian nor Western, except in the case of a global war in which everyone loses. Since the existence of civilization, the best measure of success has been none other than construction. Russia has neither the capacity nor the personnel to complete new types of tanks or aircraft or SSGN submarines in large numbers. It's the same story in the US, whatever you think. Its over.. Therefore, after all this, the leader must be someone else. COVID gave me an insight into which country is the future leader because they have a much more disciplined entire population than any army in this World.
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The downing of these aircraft will affect the bombing with glide KABs, which was a kind of game changer recently.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
Arkanghelsk Sun May 14, 2023 12:27 am
Prigozhin hints at the plans of the VSU , an attack from Seversk to Belgorod
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DerWolf wrote:The downing of these aircraft will affect the bombing with glide KABs, which was a kind of game changer recently.
No it will not...
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
Arkanghelsk Sun May 14, 2023 12:45 am
Shootdown positions of the aircraft, doubt it was manpads
Today Russia lost two Mi-8s, and Su-34, and reportedly an Su-35. All nine pilots were killed. This is likely three in the Mi-8, three in the Mi-8MTPR1 (pilot, copilot and EW suite operator), two in Su-34, and one in Su-35.
These four aerial assets comprised what’s called a ‘special air group’ as they operated together as one unit on a coordinated mission objective. One of the Mi-8s was likely in a recovery role, specifically sent as a craft to recover downed pilots as a precaution, the other was an advanced Mi-8MTPR1, which is an electronics / EW platform. The role of the Mi-8MTPR1 is to provide electronic jamming and cover for the Su-34, whose role was to launch airstrikes, likely in the form of the new FAB-500M-62 UMPC ‘planning’ or glide-bombs. The Su-35’s role in this special air group is to provide air cover against potential hostile air threats, i.e. enemy fighter jets
So, in summary: they fly together, the Mi-8MTPR1 jams enemy air defenses from a distance, the Su-34 launches bombs, the Su-35 patrols to make sure no hostile craft approach, and the rear Mi-8 simply loiters as precaution to exfiltrate any downed pilots swiftly should a shoot down occur
This incident in fact gave us the first such indepth look into how Russia is launching its long range strikes. It’s more sophisticated than many people thought, and doesn’t boil down to just Su-34s randomly winging bombs on their own, but in fact there is an entire system of cover in place.
Couldn't have been manpads as to kill pilots off rip, patriot is ruled out with it being a large system probably defending Kiev, Buk has too short range and would have to be very close to Russia or physically in Russia to pulloff a kill on all 4 planes
Which leave mig 29 with aim120, although the radar range of Mig is too short, and AWACS do not have radar coverage from Poland to Bryansk/klintsy
To execute such an attack is high level, and likely what is coming next is an attack on ships of a coordinated nature with storm shadow
Russia cannot just rest if this is occurring,
Fighterbomber quoted a pilot who said its nuts to allow Rychag equipped helicopter so close to the border when crests have detailed intel on Russian pilot names, flight routes, and general info
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
flamming_python Sun May 14, 2023 12:48 am
sundoesntrise wrote:You sound like the geopolitical equivalent of my Boomer uncle who suffered from long stretches of alcoholism. Who tried to convince the world 'there was no problem and that he had everything under control' even though he was mandatorily admitted to rehab in 10+ occassions, his children found at least a dozen of secret alcohol stashes in and around his house, and who managed to be drunk for weeks on end whilst trying to give the outward appearance that he was a man of great discipline and control.
You're like him. Grasping at whatever straw you can find to deny the undeniable. Defend the undefendable. Damagecontrol the undamagecontrable. Spin the unspinnable.
There is no reason/sense in carefully dissecting your pathetic 'arguments' because there are none. They are - be it directly or indirectly - all spinoffs of a psychological cope-mechanism called *projection*. Which, in laymen terms, means trying to flip-flop the presented situation in the exact opposite of what your sensatory organs are telling you it is. Obviously this happens either for political purposes (shills) or personal reasons (people to emotionally invested in a cause). It's up to to others to decide in what cagetory you fit.
Hence the assertions that 'Russia is actually winning because the US and allies can't keep this up because xyz' even though everybody and his mom can see that this is not true and that the US are 100 percent committed whilst spending a fraction of what Russia is spending.
Or, that 'Russia is showing the world it's interested in world piece by not doing the necessary'
Or that 'the West will freeze to death, and the Ukrainian civil/military infrastructure will collapse before xyz'
Or that 'Ukraine will soon run out of men due to the (imaginary) 8 to 1 attrition rates'
Hence the assertion that 'doomers have lowbrow arguments' even though they largely present arguments on well founded and logical grounds and have been proven to be accurate on basically every count with *your side* moving the goalposts time and time again - resorting to personal defamation as the message is more often than not bulletproof.
Etc etc etc. You get the drift.
Like with substance/alcohol abuse, the first step towards improving the situation would be acknowledging that there is a need to improve the situation - and not walk around with your head up your ass telling the world everything is fine even though a toddler can see the house is on fire.
Russia and its supporters deserve all the contempt in the world for letting this happen. Until they decide to take the gloves off (both domestically and internationally) they ought to be ridiculed, laughed at, despised, made fun of and what not. Even so I am not sure what will save Russia's credibility at this point. They literally let a Ukrainian assassination attempt at their Head of State slide for God's sake.
The uncle died of alcohol induced liver cancer bytheway.
You literally turn up in this thread once every 5-6 months just to coincide with the first use of the latest NATO wunderwaffe by the Ukrowehrmacht, the start of the latest Ukrainian 'offensive', or the latest make-believe statements by Kissinger or Jake Sullivan or whoever the hell else about what how they want to see Russia be isolated and defeated and dismembered and their latest plan on how they want to accomplish that - and use any of that as evidence for how things are turning from bad to worse for Russia, while conveniently ignoring the utter attritional ass-pounding that the Ukraine has been getting over that same 6 months you were away, or about the wider West's geopolitical and economic misfortunes over that same time period.
And yet you still work up the chutzpah to accuse me of being the delusional propagandist here
Get the **** out of this thread, you carcinogenic troll, you're giving me cancer of the eye - and take your buddies here such as Azi, Owais whatshisname and whoever else it was with you. I'm tired of humoring the same playbook that you adhere to time and time again. Ukros launched a 1000-man probing attack, captured some fields around Bakhmut, and downed 4 aircraft in an ambush today - and now you all flood on here claiming the war should have been long over by now, everyone is incompetent, the West will crush Russia, that Russia shouldn't be taking any losses in war and that any mistakes are a sign of rampant corruption. How many times are you going to repeat the same thing again and again? We heard all these arguments here. Some people agree with that point of view, I don't, and I think everyone else here has long made up their minds here too. If you've got nothing else to add, just these same points all over again - so do yourself a favour and find a different outlet for yourself where you'll find people ready to listen to you.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
GunshipDemocracy Sun May 14, 2023 12:50 am
LMFS wrote:DerWolf wrote:The downing of these aircraft will affect the bombing with glide KABs, which was a kind of game changer recently.
No it will not...
it might... intensify this kind of bombing. But also securing more airfields around pukraine would be really nice. It could be even a sabotage group with manpads .. But we need to lear how Russian military want to step up security around military bases in Russia.
As for saboteurs - me thinks that SMERSH organization should be re-introduced. No need for long juridical proceedings. there is a war. thay catch you with manpad around airfield well you hang form nearest tree.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
Arkanghelsk Sun May 14, 2023 1:00 am
Manpads did not kill a 4 plane combat group delivering FAB 500 with glide modules
And not a helicopter with Rychag jamming equipment that easily jams MANPADS like those over Gostomel
This was a very well planned strike with highest intel
Mi8MTPR -1 has Rychag and jams radar, su35 was providing top cover with IRBIS, Su34 was delivering the FAB, and the second MI8 was a recovery crew
This was an ambush with some other weaponry coordinated against the group in simultaneous succession
The pilots were killed at the cockpit, which MANPADS does not have the strength to do to big aircraft like Su34 and Su35, maybe to helos
Also the dispersion of the combat group rules out MANPADS, and BUK
And not a helicopter with Rychag jamming equipment that easily jams MANPADS like those over Gostomel
This was a very well planned strike with highest intel
Mi8MTPR -1 has Rychag and jams radar, su35 was providing top cover with IRBIS, Su34 was delivering the FAB, and the second MI8 was a recovery crew
This was an ambush with some other weaponry coordinated against the group in simultaneous succession
The pilots were killed at the cockpit, which MANPADS does not have the strength to do to big aircraft like Su34 and Su35, maybe to helos
Also the dispersion of the combat group rules out MANPADS, and BUK
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Hole wrote:So we got 5 pages of dooming and glooming because of 2 planes and 2 helicopters shot down.
The Su-35 isn´t even confirmed yet.
In the meantime the Ukros lost 2 planes, too.
Which side has more planes and helis?
Which side is producing planes and helis?
As posted above the first losses in weeks or even months. In a high intensity conflict against the whole of NATO
hiding behind a proxy.
The whole day targets in Banderastan were hit by missiles/bombs/drones.
The nice explosion in Khmelnitskyi is only the tip of the iceberg.
But the whole time people are talking about the civilian targets hit in Lugansk.
The Storm Shadows/Scalps were easily shot down in Syria because there the west tried to
hit important military targets. That´s why the Kiev regime and his handlers are attacking
meat factories or civilian houses. Again.
It is basically over for the ukros, but the house retards keep bleating about the impending collapse of the RF, it is almost embarrassing:
- NATO commander in Europe says the Russian military is essentially unaffected by the war until now, while the daily claims about them having no more missiles/soldiers/chips/wash machines etc., as well as the feats of the ukronazis decimating the Russians, have been proven a pathetic lie
- The West themselves admit their sanctions have failed and that their own militaries are depleted, but that they need to keep propping up Kiev in order to avoid its immediate collapse, at the expense of their own citizens
- The whole world, allies included, openly ignores US direct orders and is ditching the Dollar, while EU goes down the drain in every sense and US banks collapse one after the other amidst unchecked inflation
- US has been for weeks pushing 404 to start the counteroffensive, having the media prepare the public for negotiations if it fails and for the upcoming confrontation with China, while the clown resists, fully knowing that he is been set up for disposal
- Meanwhile in Russia Putin's approval rate remains at 80%, inflation below 3%, unemployment essentially nonexistent, foreign debt irrelevant and exports and industrial production are booming, making it damn clear that the Western attempt to defeat Russia via regime chance (the only way Russia could be defeated at all) was a total flop
Can anyone tell me how the fvck do they expect the likes of Podolyak, Danilov or Budanov to parade in Moscow any other way than inside of a cage?
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Arkanghelsk wrote:Manpads did not kill a 4 plane combat group delivering FAB 500 with glide modules
And not a helicopter with Rychag jamming equipment that easily jams MANPADS like those over Gostomel
This was a very well planned strike with highest intel
Mi8MTPR -1 has Rychag and jams radar, su35 was providing top cover with IRBIS, Su34 was delivering the FAB, and the second MI8 was a recovery crew
This was an ambush with some other weaponry coordinated against the group in simultaneous succession
The pilots were killed at the cockpit, which MANPADS does not have the strength to do to big aircraft like Su34 and Su35, maybe to helos
Also the dispersion of the combat group rules out MANPADS, and BUK
The systems you state also rules out AIM 120 as well.
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The Su-35 popped out of nowhere....so I think...just rumors. No videos and no confirmation.Arkanghelsk wrote:
This was an ambush with some other weaponry coordinated against the group in simultaneous succession
The pilots were killed at the cockpit, which MANPADS does not have the strength to do to big aircraft like Su34 and Su35, maybe to helos
Also the dispersion of the combat group rules out MANPADS, and BUK
The Patriot system is very unlikely! Because it's too precious for Ukraine for frontline use ...most likely it was a S-300. The S-300 are incredible deadly!
Biggest fucking problem for Russia are western satellites! The whole front is monitored by the whole spy apparatus of Western world. Russia should begin to disable some satellites with powerful laserbeams...no ASAT missiles, because debris would cause a negative worldwide pr impact. NATZO would shy a confrontation the same way they accepted the loss of the drone over black sea.
Now it's time for Russia to act more aggressive! Destroying 1 or 2 satellites with laser would not cause ww3.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
onwiththewar Sun May 14, 2023 1:55 am
Knowing what the other side is good at, I personally think what happened is some sabotage group infiltrated the bases and attached timed explosives on these planes and helicopters near the cockpits. Then they also had someone on the ground at where the helicopters would pass with manpads.
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Em....no!onwiththewar wrote:Knowing what the other side is good at, I personally think what happened is some sabotage group infiltrated the bases and attached timed explosives on these planes and helicopters near the cockpits. Then they also had someone on the ground at where the helicopters would pass with manpads.
Most likely scenario is....
Russia used the same flight paths for days, weeks or months. Ukraine placed a S-300 system exactly at the border or a few km behind. They switched at the right time the radar on for only a few minutes. Enough to track and destroy the aircrafts. Later the system was offline and Russia not able to detect the exact location.
Second variant and that's a really bad scenario....a mole, a traitor, a spy gave the NATZO or Ukroreich the exact data of the flight plan.
Today was a trap! A well prepared ambush with the goal to push Russian aircraft far away from the border and stopping the hammering with glide bombs. No superduper tech! No Übermenschen skillz! Just a trap. This S-300 (most likely) was used not to defend Ukraine airspace, it was used as a pinprick.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
GunshipDemocracy Sun May 14, 2023 2:49 am
Azi wrote:
Most likely scenario is....
Russia used the same flight paths for days, weeks or months. Ukraine placed a S-300 system exactly at the border or a few km behind. They switched at the right time the radar on for only a few minutes. Enough to track and destroy the aircrafts. Later the system was offline and Russia not able to detect the exact location.
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can be something with optical guidance since they knew fight paths... but i agree this ambush was made because bombings must be really panful for nazis.
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Using the same flight paths with no variance is such a common mistake that gets made again and again in air wars. wtf. Do these guys think they are flying cargo planes?
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Deepest condolences to the families of the pilots who died. That said, its war and shit happens. I am sorry but to the doomers I don't see how this is the great victory for Ukraine you think it is. I mean I am sure that there will be a commemorative stamp and the main stream media masturbation fest in the west will be more disgusting than usual, but what exactly has Ukraine won? Ru AF or is it still VVS, I know they changed organization in the past 20 years or so, will study the events of today and changes will be made.
As far as the front, where is this grand Ukrainian offensive because all I see is more of what we have seen since last spring, withdrawal of Russian forces to more defendable positions. So leopards and Bradleys are in eastern Ukraine and the Ukrermacht, well of course they are. They will be knocked out too. L9ok shit happens in war. If Russia launched regime change in Mexico to put in a pro Moscow leader and armed the Mexican army I promise you that we would be seeing F-35s anf F-22s and Blackhawks being shot down over Texas.
In war people die and equipment is destroyed. That is just the way it is, but right now nothing has really changed. So yeah, be concerned that Ukraine and its allies are trying to attack within Russia itself, but its too early, much too early yet to pronounce doom
As far as the front, where is this grand Ukrainian offensive because all I see is more of what we have seen since last spring, withdrawal of Russian forces to more defendable positions. So leopards and Bradleys are in eastern Ukraine and the Ukrermacht, well of course they are. They will be knocked out too. L9ok shit happens in war. If Russia launched regime change in Mexico to put in a pro Moscow leader and armed the Mexican army I promise you that we would be seeing F-35s anf F-22s and Blackhawks being shot down over Texas.
In war people die and equipment is destroyed. That is just the way it is, but right now nothing has really changed. So yeah, be concerned that Ukraine and its allies are trying to attack within Russia itself, but its too early, much too early yet to pronounce doom
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Still dont see any confermation on that Su-35.
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This is why I took a long ass break from posting on these threads because its all gloom and doom about Russian losses and the slow progression that even I get tired to just check here only monthly.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
PapaDragon Sun May 14, 2023 5:19 am
mnztr wrote:Using the same flight paths with no variance is such a common mistake that gets made again and again in air wars. wtf. Do these guys think they are flying cargo planes?
Yes
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Col Mcgregor said the Russians took out a major bridge in the West near Moldova. He says he thinks this means Odessa is on the menu. I suspect so. Odessa is part of Russias history. Cannot leave it to those scumbag nazis.
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Col. McGregor shall check his own notes more often.
This is the very same bridge that was targeted multiple times already, once with the use of a submersible drone-delivered load.
It is irrelevant on Odessa being on menu or nor.
This is the very same bridge that was targeted multiple times already, once with the use of a submersible drone-delivered load.
It is irrelevant on Odessa being on menu or nor.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
Hannibal Barca Sun May 14, 2023 8:43 am
Russia will lose this war, now it is clear.
The typical equipment of the Russian soldier on the ground is from the 50s and 60s.
The mobilization of Russia is hampered by its demographic decline.
Zero help from China seriously questions the commitment or ability of these 2 powers to work together.
The way the war contacted with respect to the Ukrainian leadership and the little damage to non military targets shows naivety to say the least.
Although some military innovation still exists in Russia, industrial capabilities are orders of magnitude below what is needed.
Russia should work on an exit plan for Putin from Kremlin. Ideally leaving walking and through a rational process.
Top priority to the nuclear triad. Russia should buy time, nukes is the only reason that Russia exists today.
The typical equipment of the Russian soldier on the ground is from the 50s and 60s.
The mobilization of Russia is hampered by its demographic decline.
Zero help from China seriously questions the commitment or ability of these 2 powers to work together.
The way the war contacted with respect to the Ukrainian leadership and the little damage to non military targets shows naivety to say the least.
Although some military innovation still exists in Russia, industrial capabilities are orders of magnitude below what is needed.
Russia should work on an exit plan for Putin from Kremlin. Ideally leaving walking and through a rational process.
Top priority to the nuclear triad. Russia should buy time, nukes is the only reason that Russia exists today.
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^Nafo retard alert. Update your block list
Prigozhin is a Jewish billionaire. Not that it matters to me. But his supporters make it seem like he is some plucky underdog taking on the MOD hot shots. This just isn't true.
Prigozhin is a Jewish billionaire. Not that it matters to me. But his supporters make it seem like he is some plucky underdog taking on the MOD hot shots. This just isn't true.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
Podlodka77 Sun May 14, 2023 9:04 am
To Cuntiball Barca...
Russia will not lose a war to the West because the West has a genetically unfit population for ANY land war - the only exception is Germany.
That is why the West has been SPREADING the myth of the superiority of aviation and some kind of magical weapons for decades.
Yes, cruise and hypersonic missiles will not conquer Bakhmut and Avedeyevka, but such a thing requires mass mobilization (if the Russians want to conquer Kharkov and Odessa) and massive unnecessary suffering of Russian soldiers..
The ultimate target is not Ukroshitstan, but the West.
Everything that SOME of you secretly want for Russia will eventually come to your doorstep - I'll be sorry I won't be able to see your face then.
Russia will not lose a war to the West because the West has a genetically unfit population for ANY land war - the only exception is Germany.
That is why the West has been SPREADING the myth of the superiority of aviation and some kind of magical weapons for decades.
Yes, cruise and hypersonic missiles will not conquer Bakhmut and Avedeyevka, but such a thing requires mass mobilization (if the Russians want to conquer Kharkov and Odessa) and massive unnecessary suffering of Russian soldiers..
The ultimate target is not Ukroshitstan, but the West.
Everything that SOME of you secretly want for Russia will eventually come to your doorstep - I'll be sorry I won't be able to see your face then.
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