Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42

SolidarityWithRussia wrote:The crew of the Patriot AD system is also valuable. I wonder what happened to them.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:they are ekhm everywhere now

The most effective is by far the lancet drone followed Geran 2 that can hit any target and blow it up with its 50kg warhead that is enough to set off any stored ammo in any building.

Kh-101 and Kalibr do the same with better damage thanks to bigger warhead but for a much greater price.

They shouldn't be used for fixed target that can be destroyed by a Geran-2.

Russians still lack a mid-tier system, to deliver strikes 100/-500 km range.

Rumor is that depleted uranium shells were stored where those huge explosions were recorded.

And DU is not radioactive (rather it is toxic when ingested) especially while stored normally hence just moving it to that location wouldn't raise radiation levels, so this story seems like bullshit.

Kh-31P seems outdated its old form given range less than even the Ukie Patriot - were the longer ranged versions ever put into service?

The Kh-58U seem like a better weapon.

30 PAC3 rounds to take out 1 Kinzhal??

There is enough propaganda on this forum too.

Russian deep state assets who were lying virtually dormant for the last 7-8 years, barely posted anything, have suddenly been activated. I counted 5 such posters including the one who gets "early access" to enclosed areas during Victory Day parade and was able to point out exactly which office within the Kremlin was targeted by the drone.

You have a strong neck to carry around that big brain and a small coin purse

If this was a Patriot battery, I expect it is no longer nearly as operable as it was yesterday.

In the words of Homer Simpson: They are with God now

Hole wrote:

Russians still lack a mid-tier system, to deliver strikes 100/-500 km range.

The Army could adopt the Bal-M system used by Coastal Defence.

Hole wrote:

Russians still lack a mid-tier system, to deliver strikes 100/-500 km range.

The Army could adopt the Bal-M system used by Coastal Defence.

Rough translation from Vietnamese wrote:In Syria, Russia gathered the fighters, fighters-bombers and bombers under the centralized control of the 555th Air Aviation Brigade and it was a very effective management model, especially when you consider that Syria is where Russian Air Forces had no experience before.

However the 555th Brigade Model was not replicated in the special military operation in Ukraine (SVO). Russian aircrafts in Ukraine theatre was allocated to the combined units of the land forces. And that is where the problem began. The synchronization of Russian aircraft in Ukraine was poor and the high casualties of Ka-52 and Su-34 exposed that Russian land force commanders lack experience in managing the aircrafts under their combined units. For example the Russian commanders abused the Ka-52s, forced them to carry out the strategic missions of cruise missiles, or they deployed the Su-34s without adequate supports from friendly electronic warfare units or without sufficient suppression of the enemy air defenses.

The SVO exposed problems in cooperation between Russian Air Forces and Air Defense of Russian Land Forces. Russia has been investing heavily in equipment for command and control in Air Forces, but in the SVO Ukrainia the Russian aircrafts mainly work with the land forces command centers and the land forces lack both the equipment and manpower to manage the state-of-the-art Russian aircrafts. Therefore the land forces have no choice but to command the aircrafts by legal documents and suffer from lack of real-time monitors of the aircraft units in their hand.

Russia probably may apply the Syrian model in the near future in Ukraina SVO. The aircrafts under the command of the land forces may be transferred to elsewhere more suitable.

You need to know that the Syrian model managed to pull out air missions three times more than the SVO air regiments.

Rough translation from Vietnamese wrote:Ukrainian and Russian Air forces have the same ancestor that is the Soviet Air Forces. Therefore the Maidan Kiev somehow can make a predictiom of the lines and routes that Russian aircrafts have to use when they are flying back and forth from the bases to the battlefield. The Maidan Kiev then sent their UAVs and drones to the exact routes that Russian aircraft uses, somehow confuse the Russian air defenses.

After several incidents that Maidan Kiev drones bypass Russian defenses like that, the Russians become more suspicious of any abnormal signs in the air. And that was probably the reason for the recent incident when Russian aircraft was shot down by their teammates.

Mir wrote:How about the Bastion for that missile you're looking for? Shoigu said it can do about 450km over land and it's pretty fast.