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    Post  Werewolf Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:26 pm

    Reading some of the Ukro comments on the recent shark attack in Hurgada just also shows that Russia is far to civil about the approach. Anyone who is not pro Ukrofascism reading such vile comments will only be convinced to support the SMO.

    I think to some people it is quite obvious that the US desperately wants to open a second maybe a 3rd front against Russia, by pushin Moldovia against Russia. There are even some Moldovians who right now already preparing to leave the country and some I know who are trying to migrate to Russia.

    If possible, Russia should be very much advised to open a local problem for the US. That of course is very easily said than done. Russia does not have such technologies to manipulate or direct other countries via color revolutions. Thus it only can remotely have an effect.
    From the information I get it is quite likely that Poland/Moldovia will be the next human shield project in the very near future. The Moldovian propaganda is more blatant than the Maidan propaganda back then. It seems almost as if they are in a big hurry to get it done before they might use their brain to ask questions.

    Unfortunately to many Moldovians have some double think mentality and do not see the parallels of Maidan and what is happening in Chisinau.

    I agree with Firebird, however, it is not easy to do so especially with Russia's mentality trying to be 'de jura' untouchable and trying to be morally worth of support from BRICS and potential members and their economic partners. We can see the rhetoric of African nations completely and boldly change and what they think of western imperialism. They see Russia as an opportunity for themselves of course and there is nothing wrong with that and Russia tries to not lose it's leading position within BRICS as the diplomatic and political member with most influence. Russia can not compete economically with China right now, not with less than 300 Mln. population and even with, it might still be only number two, thus it wants to be 'de jura' untouchable to not have any future issues in a multipolar world.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:41 pm

    Prigozhin looks like a clown Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Wagner is happy they took a year to wrest bakhmut from Ukrainian conscripts

    The 58th army just smashed 47th brigades teeth in

    58th army is top level, 291st regiment from 42nd MRD will earn guards rank for this

    They could have fallen back, MOD is like , okay men we can fall back to pre-planned defenses, don't worry if we lose the first line we plug the gap with reserves for defense in depth

    291st said:  not one step back!!!

    58th army is one of the meanest units in Russian army

    All the Wagner fanboys looking clownish

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    Prigozhin need to STFU, he is an insect compared to MOD

    Shoutout to 200th MRB for holding Berkhovka,

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:47 pm

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    probably tractors

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    Post  ahmedfire Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:57 pm

    From that photo Leopard seems even confused why it’s there with nazis 😂

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:00 pm

    "Prigozhin looks like a clown"

    There is a difference between moving from house to house

    vs your enemy rushing at you in a wide open field where you have arty pro-positioned.....

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:01 pm

    Its fucking pristine lol. The Russians really want that bounty. Razz

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    Post  ahmedfire Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:08 pm

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:08 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:"Prigozhin looks like a clown"

    There is a difference between moving from house to house

    vs your enemy rushing at you in a wide open field where you have arty pro-positioned.....

    Not only that.
    That is a real difference in a real firepower, if you compare a light mercenary infantry versus heavy armored/mechanized infantry.
    Every single action of Prighozin was a show.
    Was it a deliberate show, or a clown show - maybe we will know once.

    Edit : holly mother of a baby Jesus, Russkie tore these poor hohols to pieces ... I wonder if they have even reached a contact distance more than occasionally ... It is not an offensive, but a mass murder.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:14 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Prigozhin looks like a clown Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Wagner is happy they took a year to wrest bakhmut from Ukrainian conscripts

    The 58th army just smashed 47th brigades teeth in

    58th army is top level, 291st regiment from 42nd MRD will earn guards rank for this

    They could have fallen back, MOD is like , okay men we can fall back to pre-planned defenses, don't worry if we lose the first line we plug the gap with reserves for defense in depth

    291st said:  not one step back!!!

    58th army is one of the meanest units in Russian army

    All the Wagner fanboys looking clownish

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    Prigozhin need to STFU, he is an insect compared to MOD

    Shoutout to 200th MRB for holding Berkhovka,


    Unless his whole routine was to convince the west to buy into their own propaganda. Prigozhin may well have been priming the pump to get Ukraine and NATO to buy into their own belief that the Russian army was so ineffective that they were the second strongest army in Ukraine and had to rely on mercs and Chevhen militias. If so, he should receive a decoration because the misinformation has led to a mass suicide by cultists of the likes not seen since Jonestown.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:23 pm

    I'm leaning towards deliberate, re Prigozhins antics that is. He was a known troll before too, and it indeed seems to have worked.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:29 pm

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:53 pm

    ALAMO wrote:...It is not an offensive, but a mass murder.

    Nice thumbsup


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    Post  Serberus Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:56 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    probably tractors


    Video

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/68159


    — 5 German Leopard 2A6 and 2A4 tanks (2 destroyed, 1 shot down and abandoned, 3 abandoned)
    — 6 American M2A2 Bradley ODS-SA infantry fighting vehicles (all shot down and abandoned)
    — 3 American MRAP M1224 MaxxPro (all shot down and abandoned)
    — 1 Dutch YPR-765 armored personnel carrier (shot down and abandoned)
    — 1 Czech T-72M1 (destroyed)
    — 1 BRM-2 mine clearance vehicle (broken and abandoned)
    — 1 French VAB armored car (hit and abandoned).
    — several burnt-out trucks

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:10 pm

    What's destroying them is the remote minefield laying

    Soon as they see them coming, spetsnaz and drones direct mine layers

    Then they throw them behind the retreat, and the flanks

    Idk if they're prepositioned , but from what I am reading it's remote mine laying

    Soon as they zero them in gridsquare , they minelay the areas around them and that's how they're just getting busted up

    It's the dumbest shit to repeat this over and over

    Then the stragglers get picked off by ka52

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:40 pm

    Just recon by force. Embarassed

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:40 pm

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:47 pm

    Aftee 80 years German tanks are again burning in the fields of Ukraine. Great.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:50 pm

    New stamps on their way ...

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    Considering the numbers, Russkie need a lot of towing equipment ...

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    Post  VARGR198 Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:54 pm

    Hole wrote:Just recon by force. Embarassed
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    Thats not a BMP-2 at the top. Looks like a modified T72 hull (arv? or mine clearer?).


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:55 pm

    Its a mine clearer not a bmp 2

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:58 pm

    BMR-2. Czech version of the BREM.

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    Night view from a Ka-52, column of enemy vehicles.

    The Ukrainian TG channel " Resident " writes:
    Our source in the OP said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been trying to storm the Russian first line of defense for the third day, but there was no result. Our equipment does not even have time to enter the battle when it is covered with artillery, which leads to heavy losses and a return to their positions. In three days we have lost more than ten Leopard tanks, which have not fired at the enemy.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:15 pm



    General Pickettsko's charge?


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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:25 pm

    Stop quoting whole posts or GarryB will do unspeakable things to you. lol1

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    Some western mine plough
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:27 pm

    A6s and M2s are very interesting signatures.
    The west has nothing better to share.
    Zero.
    What is the point here, is what seems to be the very best&trained Panzerkorps sent into the fire.
    With practically no effect.
    It is not even a case that they were bumped off by the Russian defense. They couldn't even manage to get to the contact line.
    We are talking about half a year assembling&training of the troops, that died without even seeing the enemy clear, in most of the cases.
    In a scale of warfare and objective judgment, it is a massacre.
    And it seems that only light/screening Russian forces has been even involved ... with the heavy units sitting calmly deep into the lines, waiting ...
    Imagine throwing a full battalion of 90Ms on that, they would just drive over them hardly noticing ...

    So it is not even a matter of numbers, but a general doctrine and potential.
    How much more gear can NATO share?
    Would a hundred more L2A6s make any difference?
    There are not even the numbers on hand...

    By the way, have you used some pesticides or something? The number of vermins seems reduced to round zero for the last few days ...


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    Post  lyle6 Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:29 pm

    Someone needs to design a much faster way of clearing minefields or mech assaults would just cease to be a thing.

    Maybe an array of cameras with image recognition to detect mines well ahead of the tank, and a bow mount HMG or GL for the driver to shoot the mines to pieces.

    Mine plows are just too slow and inefficient. But what's worse is they canalize the assault column into one easy to shoot lane with minimal dispersal between vehicles. Taking out the mine clearing vehicle also renders the rest of the unit vulnerable in a minefield.

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