Russian special military operation in Ukraine #44

UGV, I think a UGV force cheaply made to head in front of armor would make minefields less dangerous

It would be implicit cost of armored war

One of the vehicles act as command post for a swarm which rolls in front of the lead vehicle

But in all I have no clue what this is doing,  this failed offensive will have massive repercussions

Why are they just going in without regard to the mines?

If they are afraid of counterattack, dig in somewhere defendable, and just hold the line , even that would make more sense than rushing a minefield

There's other spots they could stage propaganda offensives like Priednistrovie

Idk what is the point of this shit show , they are attacking in the same places

Zelensky and Syrsky are in deep shit

Zaluzhny is smart for not taking part in this, although his head will be on the block just because of zelenskys intransigence , but the whole lot of them will be disposed

Podolyak, Reznikov, Budanov already is gone, Arestovich ran to Israel

Where is sundoesntrise and the other clown?

Mr HD, where is the victory?

Walle where is NATO

You know buddy its easy to sit there and talk, about "why the dumb fucks do this"

You know how hard it is to clear a minefield in front of a defended position? what you think they can just send in demining equipment and it wont get shot up like nothing?

its impossible to clean without all your stuff getting taken out, do you have to move through it, there is little choice,

Another in depth assesment of results so far

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2023/06/09/observaciones-sobre-la-ofensiva-en-el-sur-3/

That's some big oooooof there.  Those hyping Leopard 2 is gonna have some rude shock. Especially 2A6 got turned to a victim.  Big question tho where were Ukrainian counter battery and air support.  

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Also bit unrelated but i recently criticized Paul Massaro over his stupid meme and guess what... bunch of people claiming to be Ukrainian actually hop in and messing around. telling me to get out of bubble etc.
But i'll be honest i am sick looking at Paul's meme. It's a mental issue right now or borderline of it.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:You know buddy its easy to sit there and talk, about "why the dumb fucks do this"

You know how hard it is to clear a minefield in front of a defended position? what you think they can just send in demining equipment and it wont get shot up like nothing?

its impossible to clean without all your stuff getting taken out, do you have to move through it, there is little choice,

I think any army in the world right now (including Russia) would face the same issues under the same set of circumstances on the front line now.

When you get billions dollar worth of equipment and have men to spare, you just send them in anyway and count on luck and an oversight by the defender. Especially if you are under pressure to procude results over the next few months. Like they give a shit about bad media coverage at this point.
What else are they going to do?

Well 155th marines did experience this in Ugledar

The thing is after the first wave failed, they stopped repeating it

Same with Oskol River crossings, although they did it twice

But Ukraine has tried to cross the same minefield 4 days in a row now...

Clearing a minefield needs to be approached with new technologies

Similar to overloading air defense with decoys and gerans,

Mechanized assaults need UGVs to absorb mines , I know Uralvagonzavod displayed a remote controlled chassis of T55 and T62 before

That could be a solution -

Hole wrote:

Who needs stealth! That is jaw dropping camo on that Leopard CEV!

ALAMO wrote:A6s and M2s are very interesting signatures.
The west has nothing better to share.
Zero.
What is the point here, is what seems to be the very best&trained Panzerkorps sent into the fire.
With practically no effect.
It is not even a case that they were bumped off by the Russian defense. They couldn't even manage to get to the contact line.
We are talking about half a year assembling&training of the troops, that died without even seeing the enemy clear, in most of the cases.
In a scale of warfare and objective judgment, it is a massacre.
And it seems that only light/screening Russian forces has been even involved ... with the heavy units sitting calmly deep into the lines, waiting ...
Imagine throwing a full battalion of 90Ms on that, they would just drive over them hardly noticing ...

So it is not even a matter of numbers, but a general doctrine and potential.
How much more gear can NATO share?
Would a hundred more L2A6s make any difference?
There are not even the numbers on hand...

By the way, have you used some pesticides or something? The number of vermins seems reduced to round zero for the last few days ...

Even a very mediocre armchair general could have seen the inevitable outcome here. This just shows how evil politicians are. No true military leader would allow this slaughter to happen. Even on the troll front things have gone very very quiet.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Well 155th marines did experience this in Ugledar

The thing is after the first wave failed, they stopped repeating it

Same with Oskol River crossings, although they did it twice

But Ukraine has tried to cross the same minefield 4 days in a row now...

Clearing a minefield needs to be approached with new technologies

Similar to overloading air defense with decoys and gerans,

Mechanized assaults need UGVs to absorb mines , I know Uralvagonzavod displayed a remote controlled chassis of T55 and T62 before

That could be a solution -

Because they have to cross that minefield there cannot go around lol.

The 155th marines stopped sure but you are leaving out the part where they never advanced from that direction anymore because there was no feasible way to clear the mines out while under heavy enemy fire.

Mines in the ground are also a totally different story then simply putting up so many drones the aa cannot defend against it.

That would be like sending hundreds of vehicles over to the mines to simply overwhelm the minefields sure you got rid of the mines...but you lost tons of armor doing it

We are seeing the myth of Western invincible weapons literally turned into scrap metal, along with standard NATO training.
The F 16/18 are missing.... does anyone know how to qualify to fly?

And the "world" is just watching. How much lie was sold to him....

im not back, still busy with personal stuff.

But i could not resist taking a peek on Telegram to see all the good stuff

For the ones that have not seen it:

RF forces take out Ukrainian column, Leo2 tanks in Orekhovsky region


Ukrainian attempt to advance is repelled in the vicinity of Artemovsk.


Orekhovsky direction, destroyed western armor by RF forces


RF Forces shell Ukrainian convoy im South Donetsk


additional footage of the destroyed ukrainian collumn at Orekhovsky


RF KA-52 takes out ukrainian armor at Orekhovsky

So how can you clear a minefield? If you don't want to use UGV?

There has to be simpler cheaper method of doing so

I would think artillery barrage could clear a minefield, and Ukrainians indeed used artillery to prepare the field

But I think remote minelaying complicates it, because after you clear the first bunch, an MLRS will come by and lay another batch over the area that was just cleared

It's tricky, I think if Ukraine had airpower it would enable them to hunt the minelayers in the rear , maybe using Apache AH64 to use SPIKE to hunt those vehicles in the rear, but then you have SHORADS which 58th army is sure to have in ample supply

They could also use HIMARS to target the minelayers as they approach the zone , as I'm sure the range of minelayers is way shorter than range of HIMARS , but again air defense complicates its use

And then the question is also spotting those MLRS as they drive out for minutes , fire mines, and disappear

Drones would help targeting, but the repeating towers are getting blasted by Geran

I really don't know what method would work

Maybe it's true, nothing but repeated banzai charges would overcome those minefields

The thing is RCWS is not full proof, what if you miss some?

I think armor vs mines, is still favorable to air assault vs air defense

The visual effect of destroyed tanks is very big, but less lives are lost and financially some destroyed tanks is better than losing a whole air assault Platoon and the helicopter

Idk it just seems like there's going to be attrition either way

Or every tank battalion should have an MLRS Platoon nearby firing in front of the armor to clear the path

Attacking is hard.

Mercouris is engaged in tedious and nonsensical discussion

His videos are hard to watch. All those ticks.
If he could talk straight his videos would be only half as long.
And every time he talks about some russian claims that he can´t verify only to mention them
again a few days later and declaring that they have been verified. But in the meantime he gives
the western claims, which are never verified, the same merit.

I was watching McGregor lately, and you know what hampered me?
He was unable to recognize an F-16.

He is a tank guy. He had the same problems with satellites, early warning and stuff
like ASAT and ABM systems, just repeating the western (american) views on russian
systems.

Really there's loads to be done.

MRLS and TOS could work well for a coarse cleaning of the mines, followed by the usual
mine-clearing line charge layers (UR systems). Maybe these systems could get longer range
rockets to stay out of harms way when deploying the charges.

There is the BMR-3 and the Prokhod UGV but they use ploughs or rollers and are slow.
So you need a lot of them to clean multiple lanes simultaniously. Which doesn´t work against smart AT mines.


Propably from a finnish mine clearing Leo2 version.

Looks as if the commanders don´t know what to do next.