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    2023 Israel–Hamas war #2

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    Post  starman Sun Oct 29, 2023 2:54 pm

    par far wrote:
    I think the one thing that Iran urgently needs is fighter jets

    Right its US F-4s and F-14s are around 50 years old.


    ...and Russia is the only country that Iran can turn to but I don't think that Iran will get the SU 30sm(or the upgraded version) or SU 35s or any of Russian fighter jets. There is too much pressure on Russia to not give Iran any major weapon systems.

    I'm not sure what the problem is but I have doubts it's pressure, inasmuch as Russia is already alienated from the west over Ukraine. According to one report I saw, it stems from limited Iranian funds. Tehran wanted Moscow to give it technology to produce spare parts for SU-35s so it wouldn't have to keep buying costly spares. But Russia didn't agree...


    If Iran had the SU 30sm(or the upgraded version) or SU 35s, it may have helped.

    Inability to get the SU-35 now might be a blessing in disguise if a better, 5th generation alternative becomes available in a few years. Smile

    All Iran can do now is, support it's allies the best it can and play the long game. The long game has been the most effective for Iran.

    Right.

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    Post  Isos Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:44 pm

    20 or so sukhoi won't change the balance for Iran against the US air power. It's like those migs Ukrane is getting right now, totally useless.

    Their guided cruise and ballistic missiles are a real game changer. And they are totally autonomous for producing them.

    Arming their militias with small range fateh-110 with 300km range and drones that are present all around any US base in the middle east is also a game changer.

    They would need to modernize their air force with new hets but at the end it won't impact any war with the US because they would buy just a few dozens. That would help against countries like pakistan, afghanistan or Azerbaijan but certainly not against the US which are the main enemy right now and for the next 10-15 years.

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    Post  Sujoy Sun Oct 29, 2023 5:12 pm

    par far wrote:I think the one thing that Iran urgently needs is fighter jets and Russia is the only country that Iran can turn to but I don't think that Iran will get the SU 30sm(or the upgraded version) or SU 35s or any of Russian fighter jets. There is too much pressure on Russia to not give Iran any major weapon systems.
    That's true. But if Iran/Hezbollah/Palestine intends to win this war then they will have to take out Israeli air power. Air power is making the big difference for Israel not so much their group troops. Maybe Iran should ship cruise, ballistic missiles to Hezbollah.

    Already US Navy is bombing Palestine.

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    Post  Belisarius Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:11 pm

    🇮🇱⚔🇵🇸 Using Israeli Media to
    debunk Israeli Propaganda

    Video by "Propaganda and co" on X/Twitter debunks several Israeli claims about HAMAS attacks on Ocrober 7th.

    Also consider reading this article:

    The Greyzone's Max Blumenthal
    reveals the IDF proaganda on his
    atricle- "October 7 testimonies
    reveal Israel's military 'shelling' Israeli citizens with tanks, missiles"

    Israel’s military received orders to shell Israeli homes and even their own bases as they were overwhelmed by Hamas militants on October 7. How many Israeli citizens said to have been “burned alive” were actually killed by friendly fire?

    Continue reading ➡HERE⬅

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    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/89229

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:15 pm

    I am not feeling bad about this one.
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:00 pm

    Footage from Kiryat Shmona colonial settlement in occupied Palestine after Hezbollah missiles landed in the settement a few minutes ago.

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/89253

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:08 pm

    Russian muslims in the Russian Republic of Dagestan stormed the airport after a flight coming from Tel Aviv

    https://t.me/FotrosResistance/768

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:21 pm

    Looks like Gaza is being used as a cover for this

    IfNotNow🔥
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    As Israel levels Gaza, Palestinians in the West Bank are being forced out of their homes by armed settlers.

    Entire villages in the Hebron Hills were told to leave today, or be killed.

    We must keep our #EyesOnTheHills.

    Will it protect them? We don’t know.

    But we have to try.

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    A grave and harrowing crisis is unfolding in the South Hebron Hills, demanding the utmost urgency and gravity. Settlers, masquerading as a military force, have launched a barbaric assault on Susyiah village. 1/

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:37 pm

    Wonder how much will just flow into the ground due to the bombing?

    No confirmation from the Palestinians and is it clean?

    Also is it for the IAF to have access to water in volume to flood Hamas tunnels?

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    And Israel resumed water supply to the Gaza Strip through two of the three previously closed water pipelines. An article was published under this heading in The Times of Israel .

    Let us recall that on October 9, Israel cut off the water supply to the Gaza Strip, thereby causing sharp criticism from international organizations, including the UN.
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:10 pm

    Sounds of explosions from the American base in the Al-Omar oil field northeast of Deir ez-Zor, coinciding with coalition aircraft flying overhead.

    The American “Al-Shaddadi” base south of Al-Hasakah was bombed from inside Iraq, leading to explosions occurring inside it.

    Rocket shells were fired from the vicinity of the town of Sheikh Saad in the western countryside of Daraa towards the southern occupied Golan.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:11 pm

    Head of Dagestan: the actions of those who gathered at the Makhachkala airport today are a gross violation of the law.

    According to him, all participants in “today’s lawlessness”, through their actions, stuck a knife in the backs of those who gave their lives in 1999.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:13 pm

    URGENTE: Fuentes israelíes: Noticias iniciales sobre la interceptación de un misil balístico sobre el Mar Rojo.
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    Post  Airbornewolf Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:56 pm

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:
    Reconnaissance activity by two American MQ-9A Reaper ER unmanned aerial vehicles near the Gaza Strip this morning.

    It is clear that American drones act in the interests of the Israeli army, which is carrying out a ground operation in the northern regions of Gaza.


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    Cool

    They are not there to support israeli ground forces, but their own American SF forces on the ground there.

    Not sure if anyone posted this, but these leaked today.
    Possible Israeli government documents pertaining to scenario's, one being displacing the Gaza people into the Sinai Desert.

    Their behaviour of trying to push the Gazan people by extreme bombing and cutting off aid and telling them to "evacuate south" seems right in line with this.

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    When you are exactly what you advocate to be a victim off:

    2023 Israel–Hamas war #2 - Page 7 Mideas10

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:19 am

    Al-Quds Brigades (Lebanese division) carried out a penetration operation through the northern security fence at the IOF military site of Hanita in northern occupied Palestine, where they engaged directly with enemy forces .
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    Post  GarryB Mon Oct 30, 2023 2:14 am

    It is too late to get fighter aircraft in the middle of a conflict...

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    Post  nomadski Mon Oct 30, 2023 3:13 am


    The ME countries and North Africa , are all too busy with political and economic problems , recovering from the Arab Spring . It is not a question of equipment or Aircraft or hardware , but of software ! One of political leadership . The response by these states to internal strife , is limiting their effective response to external threats , or resolving regional issues . If it were not for these problems , then their united approach , could have solved or averted these problems . Americans and British together with their sidekick France and Germany , would not have been able to support the Israeli side to such an extent .

    But if not through peace , or through sanctions , but by war , then a simple act of amassing troops along the Israeli border , would have had a deterrence effect . Simply taking out the Airfields in Israel , used to bomb Gaza , would render their planes useless . The ME countries have the physical power to have done these easily , however they lack political cohesion and unity of action . But the Americans and Europeans are acting in unity . I once heard that if all the Chinese , decided to jump up and down at the same time , that it would affect the rotation of Earth ! If all ME countries , launched a single missile , at the same time towards Israel , then it would affect the outcome of the war .

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:59 am

    Jordan asked US to deploy Patriot air defence missiles

    Jordan asked Washington to deploy Patriot air defence systems to bolster its border defence at a time of heightened regional tensions and conflict, the spokesperson for the country's army said on Sunday.

    💬 "We asked the American side to help bolster our defence system with Patriot air defence missile systems," Brigadier General Mustafa Hiyari, Jordan's army spokesperson, told state television.

    Reuters

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:30 am

    The Al-Qassam Brigades attacked a Zionist armored vehicle that was entering the east of the Al-Zaytoun neighborhood with an RPG rocket “Al-Yassin 105”.

    Cool

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    Post  Rasisuki Nebia Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:06 pm

    Israeli tanks shoots at a car as it's turning away, the man and his family are wiped out, i honestly feel dead inside, no footage makes me flinch, i don't even know if my friends in Gaza are alive anymore, the last guy gave me all his gaming accounts and passwords before the internet went out, it's just a sick world we live in and i was naive to think otherwise, perhaps that's just the way things are.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:22 pm

    These are the goals of the Nazi Israeli occupation in Gaza, “killing Palestinian children.”🇬🇧🇺🇸

    https://t.me/gazaalannet/43116
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:53 pm

    In the analysis I had written before, when I named Israel's anti-missile systems, I put the same one twice.
    I meant that apart from the "Iron Dome" the "David's Sling" is also being used.


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    Post  jhelb Mon Oct 30, 2023 5:16 pm

    This war is not going to come to an end anytime soon because look at most of the casualties of the IDF, what do you see - jews of colour. They are being imported by Israel purposely for these conflicts. Israel will send hundreds of thousand of these coloured Jews to fight Hezbollah. Until the White jewish leadership is wiped off Hezbollah/Palestine will not win.
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 30, 2023 5:53 pm

    The Dagestan Ministry of Health denies information about the death of a police officer.

    Earlier, Makhachkala Airport Deputy General Director Madina Pirmagomedova said a police officer injured in the unrest had died.
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:06 pm

    🇵🇸🇮🇱Hamas just released a new video footage saying "a number of Zionist prisoners held by Al-Qassam send a message to Netanyahu and the Israel government".

    Translation (https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/19157) of the video:

    "Benjamin Netanyahu Hello, we have been held captive by Hamas for 23 days... Yesterday there was a press conference for the families of the prisoners, and we know that there was supposed to be a ceasefire, and you were supposed to release us, you should have released us, and I promised to release us. However, we suffer from your political, security and military failure, because of the "failure" you caused on October 7th, because no soldier was there and no one came to us, and no one here protected us. And we are innocent and innocent citizens, citizens who pay taxes to the state. Israel, we are now in captivity under "no conditions". you are killing us Do you want to kill us all? You want the army to kill us. Isn't it enough that you slaughtered them all? Is it not enough for you that there were Israeli civilians who were killed? release us now let us go The Palestinians. let us go Release them all. We deserve to come back. For our families, now now now".

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/89441

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:08 pm

    Israeli authorities consider a video (https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/89441) of Israeli hostages distributed by the radical Palestinian organization Hamas to be “cruel psychological propaganda.” This is stated in a statement from the office of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    The office emphasized that the Israeli authorities "will do everything to return the abducted and missing people home."

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