Russian special military operation in Ukraine #53

GarryB wrote:The good old BBC showing you the news from every angle... except Putins perspective or any vaguely Russian friendly angle.

Putin is a Jew. His perspective is the Zionist perspective.

Only someones idea of the best they can do, maintaining the optimism much along the lines of the UA plans to reach the sea in the south last summer.

So two years in to the conflict and this is their idea of taking Crimea back and collapsing the Russian economy.

How the mighty have fallen.

In Ukraine, there's a lack of regard for human life.

Who would have guessed their lack of  respect for life translates into a disrespect for the dead too...

If they don't understand how can you tell them?

As PD says... you tell them with TOS and Grad and drones and glide bombs.

Perhaps pleased with India for supplying artillery shells to Ukraine, European Union is now preparing to sanction India for supporting Russia.

This is no longer a Russia vs Ukraine war, rather this seems to be a battle between a voluble, affluent, talent-less, entitled West and rest of the world looking askance at the sheer absurdity of demands

This is actually good, India would rather sit on two seats, like most countries... Ukraine is not their war so they don't see the need to choose sides or turn away friends because they are involved in this conflict. The Europeans are pushing India away just like they pushed Russia and soon China away, which brings those countries together too...

Russia and China don't need to destroy the west, the west is destroying itself with its own hubris and arrogance.

The EU and the west will suffer more than India will suffer... India might embrace the rest of the world and establish much better trade ties than they could find in the west.

Russia has issued an arrest warrant for Estonia’s Prime Minister

Look like the wests arrest warrant for Putin and that woman helping those Ukrainian kids is being used against them... who could possibly see that coming?

Remember that the US spent a lot of money getting in leadership here so that they would turn over Assange to them. The present guy is just a successor in that group.

Which means they are in team US of A so why would Russia buy their Bananas? They have clearly chosen a side... something so many other countries have been careful not to do.

And not sure what are you Garry disagree with.
With the fact that all of Ecuadors stuff can be placed at a gym of your local highschool?

They identified themselves as team america so Russia wont buy their bananas any more, what is not to understand?

The west does this all the time... deal with Russia and take economic damage... there are lots and lots of countries that export bananas... why would Russia buy bananas and other things from a country supporting Kiev indirectly... and they know exactly what they are doing.

You keep going on about a high school gym... how many helicopter parts will fit into such a gym, and how long will that keep Ukrainian helicopters flying.

How many tactical nuclear weapons could you fit into a gym?

Give a lunatic a rifle and that lunatic murders some people claiming you only gave him an old rifle that would fit into a highschool gym probably wont get you off being charged.

They had a chance to be neutral and they didn't take that chance.

The loss of sales of bananas to Russia is hardly going to destroy their economy like perhaps the US might if they said no, but at the end of the day they are no longer neutral and join the naughty boys club.

Our troops used several Iskander OTRK missiles with a cassette part and added the Smerch MLRS, also with a cassette part.

Hahahaha... for those not understanding... cassette means cluster munition.... it should be a very high body count...

Ecuador was being neutral

The US would not be supplying them with 200 million dollars worth of military equipment if Ecuador was neutral.

That might be a single Chinook helicopter of course... not a new one... an old worn out one of course, and it will cost 500 million in spare parts and support and training facilities to learn to use it... and of course they will be obliged to buy several more...

But it seems Noone in Russia wants to eat diseased banana

And so it is what it is, take it as you will, there is no issue with Ecuador

Lots of countries export bananas... there is an American group and a British group and I would expect a French group. In the 1970s and 80s and even 90s we could only get bananas from the British friendly group here in NZ, then we started getting Dole bananas from the US... now we can get all sorts of bananas, but they work in clans to break into markets and each protects its markets as much as it can. Clearly Ecuador got into the Russian market and dominated it, but now that will change.

Ecuador was aligning with the US since they had bribed in a bright daylight previous president to take ut Assange from the embassy.
So what is disturbing you, while you had years to get used to it?

One might question how Ecuador got off the hook for dropping Assange in the shit... maybe they have powerful connections.... and maybe those powerful connections eat bananas?

Some dude on Telegram named Kazman claims that Zirkon was used today.
Propably launched from a Bastion complex.

Hard to understand why that would be necessary unless they were testing its performance against a hard target.

Putin is a Jew. His perspective is the Zionist perspective.

Well that is obvious by the way Putin and Zelensky and Netenyahoo all work so closely together to deal with issues and solve problems.... NOT.

Hole wrote:Some dude on Telegram named Kazman claims that Zirkon was used today.
Propably launched from a Bastion complex.

We had Ukraine claim they found wreckage of a 3M22 missile a couple days ago as well.
This sounds like a really bad idea to me. Using Zircon in Ukraine I mean. There is no need to give the US an actual working hypersonic cruise missile on a silver platter. A missile might malfunction and be recovered in fairly intact state by Ukraine and passed to the US.

Have you seen the "proof"?
It was a scrap metal piece with a handwritten "3M22" on it.
By the pencil.

What do you guys think of this?

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The best shape for a country , is a round shape . Also it should not be too small or too big . It should have access to the Sea . It should not be too cold or hot . It should not be land locked , nor an Island . It's climate should allow agriculture . Otherwise problems arise .

JohninMK wrote "Not good ." Everything that happens , does so necessarily . Whatever is necessary is necessarily good ......

Who is French intelligence covering up in Ukraine?, by Valeria Verbinina for VZGLYAD. 02.14.2024.

More and more interesting details are being revealed in the biographies of two Frenchmen who recently died in Ukraine. Official Paris was outraged, calling their deaths “an act of barbarity” and the victims themselves “humanitarian workers.” However, there are now signs that these people were directly related to French intelligence.

On February 1, it became known that during military operations in Ukraine “as a result of a Russian strike,” two French citizens were killed and three were wounded. Representatives of the official French media called them “rescuers” and “humanitarian workers.”

French Foreign Minister Stephane Sejournet branded the incident as an “act of barbarity,” President Macron condemned the “vile and undignified act,” a protest was lodged with the Russian ambassador, and in addition, a special unit of the prosecutor’s office for combating terrorism was entrusted with investigating the incident. From the point of view of the French prosecutor's office, the incident constitutes a war crime and "a deliberate attempt on the life of a person protected, in particular, by international humanitarian law."

It is interesting that the previous Russian attack on French mercenaries, when many more people died, did not cause such a violent reaction from the French authorities. They preferred to limit themselves to statements that there are no and cannot be any French mercenaries in Ukraine, and if there is anyone, then he is not a mercenary, but came solely at the behest of his heart. Why has the rhetoric changed so much now, and why has the death of just two people caused such a resonance?

If reports are to be believed, these “humanitarian workers” traveled with their escorts in close proximity to the front line in two cars with red crosses, the presence of which was supposed to protect them from possible troubles. The two dead Frenchmen, as officially stated, were volunteers of the non-governmental Swiss organization Entraide protestante suisse, better known by the abbreviated name EPER. It also included four wounded, three of whom, again, are citizens of France, and one is a citizen of Ukraine.

However, in recent days, details have begun to emerge indicating who these people might actually be and what role they might have played during the fighting in Ukraine. For example, the names of those killed became known - they turned out to be a certain Adrien Pajol and Gennady Guermanovitch. The second, in addition to a completely non-French name and surname, also had Belarusian citizenship.

And it turned out to be quite interesting that Germanovich not only once served as a police officer in Belarus - he also managed to spend 15 years in the French Foreign Legion. He was reportedly in the 3rd Infantry Regiment of the Foreign Legion and in the 2nd Paratrooper Regiment, which is based in the city of Calvi. We remind you that serving for several years in the Foreign Legion helps you legally obtain French citizenship.

Since July 2022, as journalists write , Gennady has worked for the above-mentioned Swiss non-governmental organization, where he “commanded security operations and coordinated operations on the ground.” This EPER organization has an extremely interesting profile of activity, which “has approximately fifty employees (Ukrainians and citizens of other countries) for its operations in the south and east of Ukraine,” and its office is located not just anywhere, but in Odessa.

So are we talking about employees or volunteers? And why did the Swiss organization choose such a strange geographical limitation and is not interested in either the north or the west of Ukraine?

Another source reports the following details about the deceased Germanovich: “This man, accustomed to the theaters of war, among other things, managed to work in Chad, as well as in Afghanistan.” Three years ago he was awarded a military medal (which in our press was mistakenly called the Legion of Honor, but this is a military medal for soldiers and junior officers). It is known that he spoke both Russian and Ukrainian. The Ukrainian soldier training center Seal called him its military adviser, and former colleague Momchil Iliev noted that Gennady was a specialist in telemonitoring and video surveillance in the ranks of the Foreign Legion. In other words, one of the types of military intelligence.

We should pay tribute to the French journalists - having learned the details of Germanovich’s biography, they for the most part began to write the words “rescuers” and “humanitarian workers” in ironic quotation marks. Miracles do not happen - a former military man with many years of experience in hot spots and such diverse knowledge could not materialize on the line of combat contact simply from a selfless desire to help people. By the way, his fate partly overshadowed the fate of his fellow sufferer, who in his own way also turned out to be not at all simple.

The full name of the second victim is Adrien Bodon de Monis-Pajol, he was 41 years old, his family belongs to the French aristocracy, and his parents still live in the family castle in the department of Haute-Vienne. Owning and maintaining a castle in France is not a cheap pleasure, and that’s putting it mildly. Pajol himself was a businessman, an expert in the field of winemaking, and wrote articles about the intricacies of making wine. This, so to speak, is the visible side of his life, but what was hidden behind it is unknown. Members of his family refuse any contact with the press.

The magazine Revue Vinicole Internationale published a piece about him, saying he was "an adventurer who loved adventure, the Limousin and the Tour de France." According to Laurent Bregeau, the mayor of the town of Aza-le-Rie, where the deceased lived, Adrien de Monis-Pajol was not going to Ukraine for the first time and was going to spend three months there. As the author of a local portal diplomatically writes , “several sites dedicated to the Ukrainian conflict are wondering about the profile and real mission of these two.

The second victim, a former legionnaire, specialized in training Ukrainian soldiers... it is possible that both of them could be foreign intelligence agents.”

By the way, winemaking is a very convenient platform for the work of an undercover intelligence officer, much less exposed than the work of a journalist. Winemaking means exhibitions, symposiums, tastings, communication with clients, including very rich and influential ones, constant trips to other countries to exchange experiences and trade. In this row you can also put gallery owners (art dealers) and antique dealers.

Whether the winemaker was really an undercover intelligence officer or whether his passion for adventure took him too far does not matter in this case. From Paris's perspective, two French citizens were killed who were - legally - volunteers for a Swiss NGO. Officially, it is engaged in humanitarian missions, and there is no doubt that this is the version the French will adhere to.

In France, mercenaryism is harshly persecuted, but no one forbids a French citizen to sign up as a rescuer in some foreign non-governmental office and, as such, go to fight or train soldiers.

If anything happens, he will always have an excuse ready that he is a rescuer, not a combatant, and therefore, according to international law, he should not be killed.

Moreover, there is no doubt that the French authorities will try to squeeze the maximum possible out of the situation - again insisting that peaceful, respectable rescuers died. No one will ever officially admit that these were scouts, mercenaries, people with a military mission.

https://vz.ru/world/2024/2/14/1253388.html

JohninMK wrote:Not good

The enemy publishes footage claiming that the Navy landing ship Caesar Kunikov was hit in the Black Sea
The footage is actively spreading across the Internet and people are asking questions. There is little that can be understood from the footage; there is no confirmation of this information now.
In the morning, the Russian Ministry of Defense announced an enemy attack in the Black Sea and the destruction of six drones by air defense forces. The military department did not comment on information about the ship.
Let us note that exactly 81 years ago, on February 14, 1943 (at the age of 33), Hero of the USSR Caesar Kunikov, after whom the landing ship was named, died in Gelendzhik.
- RVvoenkor

I wonder how these naval drones can be tracked and destroyed more regularly

Maybe in general there's not much can be done about them until Ukraine is deprived of a coast line

But as long as Ukrainians focus on Crimea then the result will be like that because so far no real countermeasure exists

Especially for soviet Era ships, they will remain vulnerable to USV attacks

One more Soviet tub scratched off

Russian Navy sucks so fücking hard that I'm not even upset anymore, they are becoming great entertainment

At least this should finally convince MoD to buy new ships instead of using these toilet bowls 30 years past their expiration date

The new Progres-Kalynovo-Kurakhovo defense line will be the site of the new Ukro defense behind Avdeevka

Although this line will be breached easily like twigs in front of tanks

Simply there are no urban fortifications there to speak of, just minefields and trenches

Aviation and missiles will make short work of such a weak line

Not to mention it will be totally disconnected from Chasov Yar , where VDV is already working

PapaDragon wrote:
One more Soviet tub scratched off

Russian Navy sucks so fücking hard that I'm not even upset anymore, they are becoming great entertainment

At least this should finally convince MoD to buy new ships instead of using these toilet bowls 30 years past their expiration date

I said many of these cases will happen. Nothing changed.
New ships would sink just as well. They are like fish in a barrel, not much can be done against NATO ISR and Ukrainian USV. It’s NATO who is doing the hard work here.

Regular wrote:New ships would sink just as well. They are like fish in a barrel, not much can be done against NATO ISR and Ukrainian USV. It’s NATO who is doing the hard work here.

I wouldn't say nothing can be done. They could add hydrophones to the Black Sea to determine ship movements. I bet these high speed boats are quite noisy. They could also add more naval reconnaissance aircraft to the Black Sea area. They have the Il-38N. Just use it. Right now it is fixed in place in the Northern and Pacific Fleets.

14mm machine guns with night sights should be added to boats close to the area of operations. And perhaps the addition of a rotary AK-630 30mm cannon to the larger ships that don't have them should be considered. Nets should be added to harbors.

Regular wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
One more Soviet tub scratched off

Russian Navy sucks so fücking hard that I'm not even upset anymore, they are becoming great entertainment

At least this should finally convince MoD to buy new ships instead of using these toilet bowls 30 years past their expiration date

I said many of these cases will happen. Nothing changed.
New ships would sink just as well. They are like fish in a barrel, not much can be done against NATO ISR and Ukrainian USV. It’s NATO who is doing the hard work here.

If they can't deal with these drones then they should just consider the black sea closed and not send ships that are sitting ducks out there. It is possible they are testing solutions so they did send this old ship out as bait i suppose. They should also supply some of these to the Houthis to target US and UK warships.

^^^
Some of what you mentioned were implemented, but the real problem is this

In the case of US RQ-4 Global Hawk drones Russia should just do like Iran and shoot them down.

Ukrainians are obsessed with optics. Especially after their blunder with hundreds dead during training. Russian shipping is always most vulnerable and anyone who thinks Russia should magically zap all objects from the sky immediately are nafo teir.

Arkanghelsk wrote:
I wonder how these naval drones can be tracked and destroyed more regularly

Maybe in general there's not much can be done about them until Ukraine is deprived of a coast line

But as long as Ukrainians focus on Crimea then the result will be like that because so far no real countermeasure exists

Especially for soviet Era ships, they will remain vulnerable to USV attacks

There probably are, but the Russians couldn't really care any less.

NATO is wasting invaluable recon capabilities fighting an inconsequential naval battle against the derelict hulks of a fleet that is largely useless to the conduct of the actual fighting on the ground. This much effort makes sense if they are taking out the missile carriers ships and subs - but they're not (because they actually protected).

Arrow wrote:

lancelot wrote:In the case of US RQ-4 Global Hawk drones Russia should just do like Iran and shoot them down.

But it won't do like Iran. The great power is less bold against US drones than Iran.

the USAF deliberately flew that drone into Irans AD zone. Russia has an AD zone, this drone was right in the middle of the black sea so I am not sure if you can declare an AD zone that far out. But shooting down unmanned planes is an minor escalation.

In the case of US RQ-4 Global Hawk drones Russia should just do like Iran and shoot them down.

That drone was inside Iranian airspace when shot down.
Something the Americans avoid under any circumstances when it comes to Russia.