Russian special military operation in Ukraine #55

d_taddei2 wrote:
Ukraine is sending troops to the front with 4 weeks training nevermind 3 months or 6 months

You are already giving them much of a favor.
The most ridiculous case revealed - not that there are no better than that - was a guy whose funeral was in 9 days after he was kidnapped from the street.
Adjust the travel time, and here you have it.

TLDR: What is included in the new aid package for Ukraine?

The majority of the money is going to US MIC companies that will need to put things like Javelin missiles and Patriot missiles and Stingers and other weapons they have almost run completely out of in the US and in Europe and any where else they could grovel or steal to get them back into serial production to replace operational stocks as well as storage units for a potential conflict that might need them.

The larder is empty and now the US MIC is making billions of dollars to try to replace the stocks... it will probably only take a decade so the job list is full for a while... CEOs will be getting enormous bonuses for the next few years...

More important, much more, to Biden is that it would affect petrol (gas) prices in the US which hurts his chance of reelection. Any other year he wouldn't give a shit what the peasants paid.

His chances of reelection are solid because those bills have already been paid I suspect...  

And the riots that start if the fix does not work this time around will make things rather messy.

It's like when I tell my students not to do dumb shit in class

They go and do dumb shit in class...

You still have to pretend to be surprised though don't you?

As for the french troops we'll they know what they are getting themselves in for, most likely iskandered so death will be quick at least and remember that the troops they apparently sent are foreign legion so although they come under french government are technically just another form of mercenaries only difference is they all get to wear silly hats.

Isn't it ironic that the plan B cannon fodder team is team darkie, while team A are Ukrainian and white. It is proof that Europe is growing and developing that they can make such changes to their psyche to not try to kill off the darkies before the whiteys.

They want to re-import all the men that fled to the EU.
That tells you how all you need to know about the fighting.

Quite a few EU countries were rather hard core about sending Ukrainians home to fight, but they have not been so vocal recently about it...

JohninMK wrote:But will it happen?

I will play a devils advocate role for a moment.
There is an economic breakdown coming in the EU. All around.
Mass lay offs already have started in Germany.
It will directly affect Poland, Czech and Slovakia - all are heavily sensitive to German economy status as export tons of car industry products there.
If Germany goes down - so will those three, starting with the Czechs.
In Poland mass layoffs already started as well, and inflict hell of a scope of business - one of the wind energy business I know first hand just halved the staff & almost stopped production.
Wind energy, imagine - an EU "green deal" beaten dead horse!
Which means that pretty soon, there can be an enormous hike in unemployment stats, which leads us to a conclusion that Ukro labor becomes more of a pain rather than a gain. Jobs that they are taking will be needed to fight local unemployment.
Soooo ... it might be a good moment for kicking them out, right?

Poland is ready to help Ukraine return men of military age - Defense Minister Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysh

“I think many Poles are outraged when they see young Ukrainian men in hotels and cafes, and they hear how much effort we have to make to help Ukraine”

Poland is ready to help Ukrainian men die fighting Russians because Poles are too scared to actually fight Russians for themselves, so they will send young Ukrainian men to be killed fighting a proxy war that the west started and created because the alternatives would either be peace, which would not weaken Russia, or direct combat with Russian forces which would mean it would be Polish young men being killed for no good reason.

Do these defence ministers understand these men are being sent to certain death so why not get injured in Poland in a fire fight with those trying to send them to Ukraine instead of going quietly and dying on the front line to artillery and air delivered heavy bombs and of course drones or your own side to stop you from retreating?

Your survival chances in Polish hospital have to be better than in the mud in Ukraine.

I'm pretty confident that European values show its real face.

If HATO nations start officially sending their own troops into Ukraine I am sure the Russian gloves will come off and they will go out of their way to slaughter them brutally... which will immediately result in a change of policy.

I am surprised no HATO nation has yet come up with the idea that all their illegal migrants could be offered citizenship by going through 6 months of army training and going to Ukraine to fight for a year or two...

First, ukrainians are send back to their homeland from Poland, then from Baltics and after that from Finland.

The Ukrainians in the west are rather proactive and I think they will not go quietly. They will understand their best chance of survival is to not go to the Ukraine so other more drastic options become viable alternatives. I rather suspect rioting and protests will happen... this will not be pretty.

First troops are send to Ukraine as independent states and then the war spread to these border countries via this intervention. NATO will not take part of this shit directly, but this "coalition of will" will be dragged into war...

What you need is some honest reporting of what is really happening in the Ukraine and I rather suspect the military forces of Europe will vote with their feet so while the politicians might want to send in the troops the sorry state of the European armed forces will call their bluff.

Under EU law (article 19 from memory but it’s been a pretty few years…..), there can be no mass deportation to any country. Furthermore, those from the Ukraine seeking refuge from the conflict under the TPD agreement, until March 2025, all those seeking refuge from within the EU zone will be afforded protection status.

EU laws are rules of thumb and can be very very flexible. They can be re written overnight or simply ignored when it suits.

Even if Kiev could get all the men who left for the west to join the fight you have to wonder if they would fight for Kiev or for the right to survive this total fuckfest.