Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #3

The shipyard in Kerch build large tankers and bulk carriers in the 70´s and 80´s.

Hole wrote:The shipyard in Kerch build large tankers and bulk carriers in the 70´s and 80´s.

Yes actually it would make sense also to move the production of assault amphibious ships/helicopter carriers to the black sea shipyard in Nikolaev once it is properly rebuilt, as I wrote in one of the posts above.
Kerch Shipyard could concentrate on massive civilian ships from the drydocks and maybe on frigates or smaller ships from the boathouses (as it did in soviet times).

Big_Gazza wrote:Western fools sneer at the Kuz (who has received a deep upgrade), even while UK carriers are becoming a laughing stock

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They should rename it the Prince of Whales and paint it white.

https://navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2023/september/13530-russian-aircraft-carrier-kuznetsov-cruiser-admiral-nakhimov-to-join-navy-in-2024.html

Looks like the new date is May for this ship to sail. Interesting tidbit is it will be equipped with 80 missiles (Kalibre/Tsirkon) That would be quite a clout even without the air wing.

mnztr wrote:https://navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2023/september/13530-russian-aircraft-carrier-kuznetsov-cruiser-admiral-nakhimov-to-join-navy-in-2024.html

Looks like the new date is May for this ship to sail. Interesting tidbit is it will be equipped with 80 missiles (Kalibre/Tsirkon) That would be quite a clout even without the air wing.

No mention of the replacement of Kashtan CIWS with navalised Pantsir.  

The discussion of the 10x UKSK looks to be about the Nahkimov, not Kuz.

Big_Gazza wrote:

mnztr wrote:https://navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2023/september/13530-russian-aircraft-carrier-kuznetsov-cruiser-admiral-nakhimov-to-join-navy-in-2024.html

Looks like the new date is May for this ship to sail. Interesting tidbit is it will be equipped with 80 missiles (Kalibre/Tsirkon) That would be quite a clout even without the air wing.

No mention of the replacement of Kashtan CIWS with navalised Pantsir.  

The discussion of the 10x UKSK looks to be about the Nahkimov, not Kuz.

Yes somehow i mixed it up. I guess thus the new flight deck.

Any news on when it will be in service again?

There was a few articles floating around saying in Russian parliament that there was much talk about not bringing back to military wartime standard, and that it highly likely to be used as a training vessel. Stating that due to current naval threats that a newer design would be preferable and that but spending a vast amount of money into something that's outdated it would be better spent on other projects for the navy or indeed a new design of aircraft carrier. I doubt they would completely scrap it, but rather turn it into a training vessel which it's still useful as.

Larger ships are adaptable, especially ships like the Kuznetsov... the electronics of the day this ship entered service could be building sized super computers that could be replaced by laptop sized computers of better processing and storage power.

Obviously, with increased computing power the demands for computers has massively increased too, but there should be no problem putting the required level of electronics on board.

The problems of defending ships from modern threats is not going to go away and a lot of new ideas and new technology could be tested and deployed on a larger ship which has more room for new equipment and systems.

A ship the size and power of the Kuznetsov could carry weapons much smaller ships couldn't contemplate... like high energy destructive lasers to destroy targets, rather than just blind them or dazzle them.

The room on the ship just around the outer edge would provide enormous space and volume for missiles or defensive munitions and the size and number of AESA array radars that could be carried would give it unparalleled situational awareness... and that is no even taking into account the air power it would be deploying.

The Moskva most likely got into difficulties because it wasn't brought up to war time standard... are they going to make that mistake again?

GarryB wrote:The Moskva most likely got into difficulties because it wasn't brought up to war time standard... are they going to make that mistake again?

That is very debatable that "Moskva" got into trouble because of not being modern enough to meet modern threats.
I've read in-depth analysis of former PVO serviceman. He explained in details that most likely reason it sunk was S-300F missile engine malfunction that caused fire on the board.

Those two are to blame.

Those two are to blame.

We know the two to blame...

That is very debatable that "Moskva" got into trouble because of not being modern enough to meet modern threats.

The onboard air defences were relatively basic but far superior to most western vessels of the period, but I was talking more about systems like fire fighting equipment and systems.

I too have heard that the problem might have been a fire started by a failed S-300 launch that started a fire that got out of control, perhaps a sprinkler system failed to kick in or some such thing.

There was no big external hole as you would see with any AShM hit and there was no waterline external hole you would expect with a mine strike... the photos shown seem to suggest an extensive internal fire in the section where the S-300s are stored...

I have never bought a story of ukrs destroying it, because that would be the only case in this war when they have not exploited such a juicy event from the beginning.

They claim success against such a ship, and then refrain from attacking ships thereafter... the other successes seem to be cluster munitions via artillery or Storm Shadows against vessels in dry dock.

Kiev has not credibility.

So, what's the status of this thing? Will it be brought back to service as a training or combat vessel and when?