Ukrainian language after the SMO

Not sure if this deserves a separate thread.

What do you think should happen to the Ukrainian language after the SMO is successfully concluded?

Should it be suppressed or allowed to exist? Or perhaps even supported (since supporting minority languages is a huge trend worldwide)?

Any thoughts?

Banderites will become extinct, so not sure why the dead will need a language....

Ukrainian is recognized as a separate language by academic linguists. It's also recognized as such in Russia since it's one of official languages in Crimea.

Ukrainian and Russian have only 65% lexical similarity. For comparison Swedish and Norwegian have over 80% lexical similarity and are still considered to be separate languages.

I have seen ads in Ukrainian in Mariupol so I guess Russia is not actively supressing the usage of Ukrainian.

People, please be reminded that the current Maidan fascist regime has nothing to do with preserving Ukrainian identity.

It is Ukrainian human rights to have their identity preserved and respected. It is just that the fascist Maidan regime exploit ethnic sentiment as an excuse to enslave Ukrainian people for the US masters.

It is the scheme of Western media to equalized Ukrainian culture and languages with Banderites, although in fact there are no relationship between them. Banderites are criminals and have nothing to do with Ukrainian people. By demonizing Ukrainian culture we are falling into the trap of Western propaganda. And we are also demonizing ourselves, because we act no different from the fascists.

The Russians don't ban languages... because nazi is not a language.

If anyone wants to learn it I am sure they wont be stopped, but even most Ukrainians seem to prefer Russian, and after shelling and bombing Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine it seems the majority of the voting public don't want to be Ukrainian any more...

Here in New Zealand there is a huge drive for all New Zealanders to learn Maori, but I have two problems with that... first of all they only teach north island maori... yet they claim they are trying to preserve the culture. I speak English but that does not help be with understanding English people... or Australians or Americans or quite a few other English speaking groups. My second problem is that Maori represent about 15% of New Zealands population and many don't speak Maori either, so the energy and effort to learn a language spoken by 15% of a country with a 5 million population sounds like a bloody waste of my time.

If I was going to learn a language I want hundreds of millions of people to understand me not rather less than a million.

Those Polish enclaves shown on the map, these do not exist.

A more complete image (Languages in Ukraine and Belarus).

My view now is **** them. **** them sideways with a pitchfork. A rusty one. With AIDS on it.

The Nazis wanted to be part of America so much, they can **** off to America.
Pukrainian was always a device to divide the Russian world, and then to ethnically cleanse Russians from their homeland.

Let's face it Pukrainian is a bastard dialect of Russian mixed with some Polish and German and rural inbred fuckwitisms just to annoy Russian people.

A perfectly valid viewpoint as well... a lot of people were outright murdered because they wanted to speak Russian.

Lots of people were persecuted because their religion was based in Moscow... and even after splitting away to become Ukrainian the Kiev government still accused them of being too pro Russian... or in reality not anti Russian enough.

Lots of trials and investigations need to take place to root out the criminals and enablers, but of course plenty will escape to the west and continue like they did nothing wrong.

This needs to be done thoroughly and right.

Just in Europe there are two examples of very successful multilingual countries - Switzerland and Belgium.

I can't see why Russia can't follow their example.

More diversity is generally a good thing. If people (at least in Western Ukraine) want to speak Ukrainian, let them.

Possibly they need to split it into 3 different groups of dialects/languages.

Krasnorussian (Lvov dialect)
Malorussian (Poltava dialect)
Surzhik (every other mix between western Ukrainian and Russian which is typically spoken in the Ukrainian countryside, and which is not standard, as the surzhik spoken in central/western Ukraine will be different by the surzhik spoken 30 km away from Kiev, and even more to the one spoken  in the current north-center Ukraine).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surzhyk



As I wrote in other posts in other threads, the "official" Ukrainian language statistics consider as Ukrainian speaking all surzhik speakers, even in the eastern part when it is mostly russian with some Ukrainian words.

Anyway:

The future should be that Russian is the official language everywhere, with other regional languages recognized as additional official language in that specific oblasts:
Hungarian in Zakarpatia, Krasnorussian (Lvov Ukrainian) in most Nord - west regions, Malorussian (Poltava Ukrainian) in the central regions, Greek near Mariupol, etc.

The regional official language should be able to be used without problems, as long as every official is also available to speak Russian if requested.

As far as schools, they should organise some bilingual nursery and primary schools (Russian and regional language).

And high schools should be mostly in Russian with the regional language as  possible second or third language to be chosen (in alternative to other languages like Polish, Hungarian, Romanian, German, French, Italian, Greek, Turkish, English, etc).

Of course Math and science classes in school should to be teached only in Russian, and all universities should be russian only (except possibly for some limited specific topics for Malorussian or Krasnorussian culture and language).

I can't see why Russia can't follow their example.

More diversity is generally a good thing. If people (at least in Western Ukraine) want to speak Ukrainian, let them.

The situation will resolve itself...

Those regions that join the Russian Federation will be Russian speaking... if you want to speak Ukrainian you can, there wont be any laws against it, but those regions that choose to be neutral will be obligated under the peace treaty... or should I say the surrender treaty not to oppress people who choose to speak languages other than Ukrainian... and that does not just include speaking Russian but also other languages like Hungarian etc etc.

If there is demand for Ukrainian schools then they can be funded but Ukrainian schools will not exclude Russian language... and will be monitored for extremist ideology...

Beware the creatures who will scream human rights abuses if they can't use the language of their choice, but will happily burn down buildings and burn to death people in that building if those people choose to use a language these human rights heroes don't approve of.

Like in the US... not sure of your gender today?

That is OK, you are a victim of biology.

You are Russian... your biology is warped, but it is your geography that is the problem you monster trying to damage our children and society...

It is not really relavant, but...

https://www.rt.com/russia/606779-zelensky-yermak-poor-english/

Zelensky’s poor English worries Americans – media

Foreign officials reportedly cannot be sure they understand the Ukrainian leader and his chief of staff when they speak English

US officials are not always certain they correctly understand what Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky and chief-of-staff Andrey Yermak are trying to say because both men often shun the services of interpreters despite lacking fluency in English, the German daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung has claimed.

Zelensky’s English is “only mediocre,” while Yermak speaks it “extremely poorly,” according to the report from Saturday. Nevertheless, the two often address US officials directly in English.

This creates a communication problem because the Americans cannot be certain that their messages are properly received or that they correctly understand what the Ukrainians are telling them, according to the newspaper. The issue has been less serious lately, as Ukrainian officials with a better command of English have taken over the detailed negotiations, the report added. Olga Stefanishina, the deputy prime minister for EU integration, was identified as a good English speaker in Zelensky’s camp.

Zalensky and Yermak:

If Hitler took the time to create a new Aryan language with all the dirty foreign words removed and new silly words added to replace them would anyone demand the right to use and speak that language?

Every individual person could make up their own language, would that make the world better or just increase division?

I wont speak to you unless you learn my language... and there are 250 letters that all sound very similar...

Language is about communication, when a population speaks one language but the new government in power demands they learn a different dialect of that language and punishes those who refuse with death, I would wonder what sort of people would want to keep such a language alive in the first place?

What real value is there considering all the modern words it will need that have presumably been made up like computer and car and bus and aircraft and cosmonaut.

I am sure people in countries like Belgium and Switzerland will claim being bilingual is amazing... what do people in Canada think of English and French, but not native north American languages being taught to everyone?

I mean if you really want to save cultures then why not introduce Aztec?

People have enough problems and issues without being told to learn this or than additional language.... language is about communication... if a Ukrainian speaker can speak and understand Russian and everyone else in the room also speaks Russian but only 30% also understand Ukrainian it is just arrogance and being malicious to speak Ukrainian.

Language is a method of communication, but the Ukrainian government used it as a weapon to isolate and punish a group of their own population... if Zelensky didn't learn Ukrainian till 2019 then he is not Ukrainian and Ukrainian is not his native natural language.

Solutions , given that in most practical circumstances in a country , and that there is a majority and one or more minorities , is that the majority language together with minority language should be thought at schools . The people then become bilingual or multilingual . Following this then possible situations may arise : The first is that it is left to individuals to decide what language they speak , that is there is no law enforcing a national language . The second is that in ethnic majority areas , local languages are spoken by law . The third is that the majority national language is spoken by law in all places . None are ideal , but the second solution seems most practical . The problem of conducting inter- ethnic or national business is solved by speaking the language of majority community .

Ukrainians post-SMO.