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    Ukrainian language after the SMO

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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 02, 2024 2:30 am

    Solutions , given that in most practical circumstances in a country , and that there is a majority and one or more minorities , is that the majority language together with minority language should be thought at schools .

    I think first of all you have to look at the problems.

    Has rich people going to stuck up British private schools learning latin done anything other than being annoying to the rest of the population?

    Does a snobby poofter interjecting and telling you the latin phrase for something is this or that really been worth the effort of teaching and learning such nonsense?

    If you are interested in history and want to read from that region and that period then it would be valuable but does everyone have to learn that shit?

    Learning languages might come easy to some but is rather difficult for others... why waste time learning a language of a people who mostly already speak the language you speak. There are currently plenty of Ukrainians who refuse to speak Russian but they understand it and can speak it, so learning their language is not a critical part of communicating to them.

    I would say that simply make Russian the official language of Russian territory. Teach Russian to all students so everyone can communicate, and teach Ukrainian to those that wish to take it as an extra languages subject at school, or if it is so damn important for their culture let their parents teach them.

    Very few schools will have the budget to teach a dozen languages and to be brutally honest the money and time spent teaching little darlings Ukrainian.... which is perhaps spoken by a tiny fraction of 1 percent of the worlds population, that money and time and effort could be used to teach them a language that is actually used, whether it is English of French or Spanish or German or Chinese or Korean... all of which would be much more useful than learning Ukrainian for most students.

    I can speak New Zealand English and Australian English and Canadian English and American English and English English... my understanding of those countries is not effected by my ability to understand how we each murder the language.

    That is just bullshit.

    The Maori and Native Americans learned English... if learning English meant they understood the culture they would still be fighting us.

    They didn't learn the language to understand us as a culture, it was merely to communicate and trade.

    No languages should be banned.

    But not all languages need to be government funded either... the CIA has been funding them all this time... let them continue and for the FSB to pay more attention to the doing that.

    Maybe native Americans could use some Stingers and Javelins... Moscow has some extras.

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 02, 2024 2:40 am

    The important fact is that minorities worrying about losing their language makes no sense if they inhabit regions where they are local majorities.
    But most of the cases of the language "issue" occur precisely in such situations. It's not about the language, it is about ethnic politics. Foreign
    imperial meddling for colonial domination leverages such issues.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:18 am

    Here in New Zealand it was decided to incorporate Maori language to try to make NZers multilingual, but their first problem was that there were not enough Maori speakers to teach all the kids how to speak Maori so many of the teachers were learning Maori as they were teaching the kids.

    Another factor was that there are dialects of Maori... so which exactly deserves to be saved? North Island Maori or South Island Maori?

    What about the Moriori who arrived before the Maori (both groups are just pacific islanders who became Moriori or Maori when they arrived).

    Languages should certainly not be banned but they don't make a culture survive, and for the vast majority of people the time trying to learn it is wasted because they will never use it anywhere else.
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    Post  nomadski Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:39 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Solutions , given that in most practical circumstances in a country , and that there is a majority and one or more minorities , is that the majority language together with minority language should be thought at schools .

    I think first of all you have to look at the problems.

    Has rich people going to stuck up British private schools learning latin done anything other than being annoying to the rest of the population?

    Does a snobby poofter interjecting and telling you the latin phrase for something is this or that really been worth the effort of teaching and learning such nonsense?

    If you are interested in history and want to read from that region and that period then it would be valuable but does everyone have to learn that shit?

    Learning languages might come easy to some but is rather difficult for others... why waste time learning a language of a people who mostly already speak the language you speak. There are currently plenty of Ukrainians who refuse to speak Russian but they understand it and can speak it, so learning their language is not a critical part of communicating to them.

    I would say that simply make Russian the official language of Russian territory. Teach Russian to all students so everyone can communicate, and teach Ukrainian to those that wish to take it as an extra languages subject at school, or if it is so damn important for their culture let their parents teach them.

    Very few schools will have the budget to teach a dozen languages and to be brutally honest the money and time spent teaching little darlings Ukrainian.... which is perhaps spoken by a tiny fraction of 1 percent of the worlds population, that money and time and effort could be used to teach them a language that is actually used, whether it is English of French or Spanish or German or Chinese or Korean... all of which would be much more useful than learning Ukrainian for most students.

    I can speak New Zealand English and Australian English and Canadian English and American English and English English... my understanding of those countries is not effected by my ability to understand how we each murder the language.

    That is just bullshit.

    The Maori and Native Americans learned English... if learning English meant they understood the culture they would still be fighting us.

    They didn't learn the language to understand us as a culture, it was merely to communicate and trade.

    No languages should be banned.

    But not all languages need to be government funded either... the CIA has been funding them all this time... let them continue and for the FSB to pay more attention to the doing that.

    Maybe native Americans could use some Stingers and Javelins... Moscow has some extras.


    Yes Latin , why Latin ? Unless used by students who study ancient documents for research . Children learn easily , no worries there . Their mother speaks to them in their " mother tongue , " but when they go to school , other children who speak a different language , will not understand them . You say they can speak Russian , but will not speak Russian . Then the same problem exists for children . And the state has responsibility for useful education . For purposes of practicality , the language of the largest majority , can be the state official language thought to all children at school . A few years of primary school education , unavoidably , must be thought in local languages . Once a national language is learnt by children at school , then further education conducted in national language . There is no choice in this matter , money has to be spent to allow language education . Can not be simply left to individual's choice either , must be made into law . Learning local languages is most important at younger ages . International languages important for later life or university education . It is the CIA that promotes sectarian politics . Encourages minorities to reject a national language . We do not reject minority languages , as long as it serves national interests . Lenin did mention the importance of learning different languages .

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