Any of you Russian/Ru descent in the West - Dealing with anti-Russian racism.

Quite a few here are Russians living in the West. Or are Russian and have visited the West or worked there.
Have you ever experienced unpleasant situations owing to the fact you are Russian or of Russian descent?
How did/do you deal with them? Do u think violence/challenging them is the best way? Avoiding them? Or avoiding the topic?


I have one example of quite a few.
I've used the same dentist for maybe 15 yrs, and then the previous dentist at that practice since I was little.

Now I am Russian on my father's side, but I am British born. Now the dentist is half British and half (🤮) German.
Until recent times he's always come over as charming, friendly and intelligent. My father was also particularly friendly with him until he passed on.

More recently, he has brought up the topic of the Ukraine... several times. First time, I told him foreign sources had a very different view to his understanding. A year later, I told him a little more about where he could find accurate sources. Since 2022 he brought up the topic a 3rd time and I had to explain in more detail that Russia 1)wasn't an evil empire 2)nazism is never acceptable 3)none of this is a "Kremlin invention" and that persecution of Russians is very real.

Recently I told him that I felt "very uncomfortable" with his previous visits comments. He (somewhat) got my message and then basically dug himself further in. So I decided to leave and evaluate it all over a day or so before deciding my next steps.

Anyway he had got pretty pompous giving me all this (not my words) "evil Russia" shit and "poor hard done by Ukrainians".
He has always known my family are from Kiev. And many of them left Kiev in the pre WW2 years - the era when Banderites peddle their holo-hoax lies.

Anyway, I was wondering what views people have here. How to deal with anti-Russian racism. And when to decide if it is just ignorance/stupidity and when it deserves for instance a fist in the face/complaint to the regulator etc.

Many thanks for reading. Anyone with serious views, or their own experiences... what would... or did you do?

If he bothers you that much just go somewhere else. I doubt there aren't more dentists there.

Firebird wrote:How did/do you deal with them? Do u think violence/challenging them is the best way? Avoiding them? Or avoiding the topic?

In the case of your dentist I perceive that he does not hate you personally, neither is he an inherently evil person. It is just "banality of evil", he is conditioned to hate Russia and to believe that is a "good" thing to do. Just keep treating him well and be friendly with him, but at the same time draw a clear line that you do not want to discuss about Russia or Putin because it make both of you uncomfortable.

It is imperative for you to be clear and steadfast about both your soft and hard sides. That you respect him and cherish the friendship with him but it is unacceptable for him to keep pressing you with the ideas that you already tell him that you don't like.

If you deem he is a good person in general and he treat you with honest friendship then it is not worthy to ruin a good relationship just because of his ignorance of the situation.

Firebird wrote:More recently, he has brought up the topic of the Ukraine... several times. First time, I told him foreign sources had a very different view to his understanding. A year later, I told him a little more about where he could find accurate sources.

Remember that it is easy for you to win an argument if you have sufficient evidences, but it is extremely hard to change the views of others. Only they can change their own views after exposing themselves to the shocking harsh truth. You have done enough of your duty and now it is up to your dentist friend to change himself.

lyle6 wrote:Americans of German descent having the gall to identify with Germans is next level shameless.
Imagine spending two wars intervening to kill your brothers and sisters then acting like its nothing.

It is nothing unusual.
My grandgrandfather was burned alive by the Ukrs in 1939, along with his older son - both as Polish uniformed officials.
His second son was mobilized to the Red Army in 1940.
His third son was mobilized to the Wehrmacht in 1941.
History can be complicated, you know ...
Judging others is easy.

Thank you for your replies all.
I had the appointment on Monday, and went away "digesting" what he had to say.
I had a lot of other work matters to deal with.

The incident on Monday was referring to the previous appointment when he was scornful of my comments in front of a visitor.
Which I found particularly disappointing.

Yesterday, I began formulating a view. Which was basically "well he was still a rude ****".
Monday's meeting was meant to address my grievance and set why I have a red line.
He seemed to basically shuffle around a bit and grudgingly accept what I had to say.
But when I got him he defaulted to this "Russia evil" routine. With me barely able to get a word in edgeway. In other words, can't help himself.

He also has a degree in E European history. Apparently focusing on Stalin's Russia. Altho he has never visited E Eur, and has no Slavic language skills. Loves saying "how informed" he is, but has huge gaps in his knowledge.

A dentist/doctor is different to other situations. To me it is about trust and professional responsibility. I don't want someone putting sharp stuff in my mouth if I don't feel comfortable with them as a person.

Even after expressing my red lines, I have come away thinking "hasn't this twat got any sense of how dental surgeon-patient professionalism
works.

Contrary to the claims of Americans, Britain where I live, does actually have lots of dentists.

So right now, at my next check up I think I will say "well I tried to say WHY it's beyond an intellectual exercise, and why it is about professional standards and morals". In other words, telling him that he has fallen below min standards and that I will be moving on.
I will leave him the option to contact me, but otherwise I will walk out and not lose any sleep.

My view is that after such an incident a sincere dentist would have sent a personal email, or apologised face to face.
Rather than re-engage in another stupid "Russia evil" action.

Before arguing with the dentist, keep in mind that he can hold every pain level of his patient

GarryB wrote:If he knows your family are from Kiev then I rather suspect he is trying to get a Ukrainian point of view of the conflict and assumes he will get that from you.

Most western source paints Russia as the bully and Ukraine as the victim, so likely when he sees you every 6 months or every year what he remembers is that your family is Ukrainian essentially and probably thinks conversations about how evil Russia is would appeal to you.

Are you familiar with his conversations with your father... was your father Ukrainian or Russian at heart?

Perhaps he thinks you are the same?

I understand it can be frustrating when you are essentially pushing back from the entire western media who make all sorts of claims and assertions, but just pointing out that they are wrong about everything else why would they trust them on this too?

Next time he brings it up mention problems in the UK... there are plenty. Just point out that the situation in the Ukraine will get sorted out one way or the other and most likely not to the satisfaction of Kiev or the West but why complain about it now.

They took a gamble and it failed... do they still expect to win the jackpot and live happily ever after?

Don't use violence as any police or judge are hardly going to be sympathetic towards you you dirty Russian... they might give the other guy a medal...

Besides... it is not worth it. Them being wrong has no bearing on what is happening in Ukraine and wont effect Putins decisions or actions.

Dare I say this dentist may have Ukrainian patients all too keen to discuss how evil Putin is and the Russians are invading Europe... why isn't anyone doing anything to save those innocent Ukrainians?

Perhaps your best bet is to say you are British and you couldn't give a shit what happens in the old country... they are all the bad guys... Putin seems to be winning now and that is not likely to change any time soon.

Elections in the US seem to show Trump has won... the 24 hour clock is going to start any time now.

@Garry
Thanks for your reply.
He's never claimed to have Ukrainian patients. Claims to know Russians but I am sure he is bullshitting there.
No he has known from the beginning. Me and the whole paternal side = Russians from Kiev.
My father would have been very disappointed with his "Russia evil, Nazis don't change anything" narrative.

I actually tried to avoid detailed debates since 2014 just saying that "foreign sources paint a very different picture".
What really got my back up was that HE reinstigated the topic when a visitor (uni student) was shadowing my appointment.
He can be very "know it all" (but actually knowing **** all) with his opinion.

The point is, its not some intellectual debate bullshit. Its basic morality and medical professionalism.

This is an awful analogy but here goes. Imagine if a patient is a homo.
Say the doctor notices some sort of homo emblem/homo opinions and the patient expresses his homo-ism. The doctor/dentist wouldn't say "Oh what is the matter with them homosexuals, a menace to society etc etc".
The doctor/dentist would be bound by professional standards codes how to behave and how not to behave. In other words, maintain a respectful level of communication.

Professional standards has been lacking, despite my efforts this week. Which makes me all the more annoyed.

ALAMO wrote:Before arguing with the dentist, keep in mind that he can hold every pain level of his patient

Serious point.
Well this is one reason why I am considering binning him off.
Especially given that his now dead German father (who he didn't like) had some particularly unpleasant politics.

If I were you, I would change my dentist, primarily because it's not his place to mess with you with political comments. A person who ignores ethics, taking advantage of the dependent position of the patient, by definition cannot be good.
As your personal counterargument, you can ask him if he wants to be associated with the murder of twenty-seven million Soviet citizens because one of his parents is German. This has exactly the same validity as his statements. Besides, it is certainly not for the Germans and the British to condemn the Russian Empire.
At the end, you can add that you are not ready to pay money to someone who insults you - therefore you are no longer his client.
Finally, you can tell him that there are Ukrainians who want to live in friendship with Russia - and there are Ukrainians who are neo-Nazis supported by the West and who decided to take power through terror. And it is not his business to indicate which Ukrainians are correct.

Scorpius wrote:If I were you, I would change my dentist, primarily because it's not his place to mess with you with political comments. A person who ignores ethics, taking advantage of the dependent position of the patient, by definition cannot be good.
As your personal counterargument, you can ask him if he wants to be associated with the murder of twenty-seven million Soviet citizens because one of his parents is German. This has exactly the same validity as his statements. Besides, it is certainly not for the Germans and the British to condemn the Russian Empire.
At the end, you can add that you are not ready to pay money to someone who insults you - therefore you are no longer his client.
Finally, you can tell him that there are Ukrainians who want to live in friendship with Russia - and there are Ukrainians who are neo-Nazis supported by the West and who decided to take power through terror. And it is not his business to indicate which Ukrainians are correct.

Must admit, I am coming round to this point of view now.
In England we hear horror stories of rogue dentists, hence my unease at moving practices.
And also, my unease at this situation.

Previously (away from this topic) he had always come over as  a charming, intelligent person.
But here, he is someone who "loves the sound of his own voice" as we say in England. Showing off, pretending to be some knowledgeable intellectual. When really he is just a consumer of gutter media and desperately trying to find "use" for his university modules on Stalin. (Stalin who was Georgian and also nonsensically pro Ukrainian, in reality). Conceited and I wonder "what the hell motivates this stupidity".

Some people use words like "victimisation", "bigotry", "persecution". I just see it (despite the way he shuffles around) as "being an ignorant, rude, racist ****". And lack of professional standards.
I found the appointment 3 mths ago tiring. And I found this one the same. That shouldn;t be the case.
I think I will make clear my red lines and tell him in the evidence of something substantially to the contrary I will tell him dasvidaniya and "oh by the way... WE won the war, not you. Each of them".

But anyway, anyone with a serious opinion on this I would be interested to hear here. Many thanks for all your replies above.

I think what Firebird need is the recommendation of a new dentist in UK near his residence as a back-up.

Anybody living in UK that can help him ?

I should add that this individual's father was basically a Nazi in beliefs.
Not a WW2 serving Nazi as he wouldn't have been old enough to participate, as he was born in around 1940.
The dentist has always claimed he was not like his father. But I have seen far too many vague comments.
People/pondlife are often influenced by their fathers even when they won't openly admit to it.

In some way or other, it reminds me a bit of those Islamic loonies who talk shit for 15 yrs on TV then finally get done for terrorism.

higurashihougi wrote:I think what Firebird need is the recommendation of a new dentist in UK near his residence as a back-up.

Anybody living in UK that can help him ?

Maybe I should pay  Fancy Bears to do a deep hack  of British dentists and expose the dirty secrets of all the Russophobes.

I use an insurance company, so basically I just need to choose another nearby practice from the list.
Hopefully the new one won't have a hidden tattoo of Bandera.... or Victoria Nuland.🤮

ALAMO wrote:

lyle6 wrote:Americans of German descent having the gall to identify with Germans is next level shameless.
Imagine spending two wars intervening to kill your brothers and sisters then acting like its nothing.

It is nothing unusual.
My grandgrandfather was burned alive by the Ukrs in 1939, along with his older son - both as Polish uniformed officials.
His second son was mobilized to the Red Army in 1940.
His third son was mobilized to the Wehrmacht in 1941.
History can be complicated, you know ...
Judging others is easy.

And now you are hiring Ukrainians to work at your firm and helping them in other ways.

Who are you trying to fool?



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The Wehrmacht part of your supposed family story does not surprise me.

Firebird wrote:Quite a few here are Russians living in the West. Or are Russian and have visited the West or worked there.
Have you ever experienced unpleasant situations owing to the fact you are Russian or of Russian descent?
How did/do you deal with them? Do u think violence/challenging them is the best way? Avoiding them? Or avoiding the topic?

Yes, of course.

I am half russian and half german, born in the Soviet Union but raised in Germany.

Without any chronology of events I can recall the latest racisms from working place, environment and general libtards that are the majority in my field of work.

Before the SVO started, the weeks before we were all manipulated, bullied through worse working conditions, extra work and humiliation to take the shot and had to bring our vaccine passport to work to prove we were vaxxed. They did not right out say we will fire people who did not take the gen-therapy but they placed this possibility in the room.

During the entire covid period I was proven wrong with my thesis, that Germans have learned not to accept fascist methods for whatever group of people.
In my work environment there are multiple people who perceive themselves as highly intelligent, but are the usual suspects of German exceptionalism.
What I mean is, the broad german population grew up with the indoctrination, that they had no State controlled Media and therefore it is automatically unbiased, uncontrolled and fair and can not lie to the population.
The other point is, they were so indoctrinated that anything outside the West is a form of dictatorship that is build on lies, manipulation, evilness and can not exist without trying to destroy the West.

Based on this two believes any criticism of German or western MSM is affiliated with conspiracy theorism, which was by media used and weaponized to associate this term with nutcases and theories that most probably have been purposefully spread by intelligence agencies.
The negative experience I was making whenever I was naive enough to bring forward hard evidence even in Video form they always checked for watermarks and sources of websites. If its Russian, Chinese, Syrian or any country that is not affialiated with civilized country it was just laughed at as "propaganda" or total "fabrication".

During Covid times I had also experienced talk from colleagues and superiors which can only count as right out fascism. I remember the speech from my supervisor who said

These people who refuse to take the vaccine shot should be isolated from the normal thinking population. There are a threat to the public and any doctor should refuse to help them if they are getting sick.

This sentence can not be interpreted in any way or form with a critical thinking person. The same person who dropped this words believes himself to be superior in intellect to any person around him. The issue is the majority of libtards uphold fascist methods as an acceptable form to combat any other opinion.

The modern form of fascist method to prevent spreading of misinformation, like the Nazis did with burning books, is Cancel culture. Outsourced to willing carriers of libtard idealism that use it as a weapon against anyone with constructive criticism.

After the SVO started everyone forgot about deathly Covid virus, that was deemed so deadly and dangerous that fascism and fascist methods were acceptable and I was very thankful that SVO started. No more demand for having to take the shot or lose your job.

Anyways, two weeks into the SWO, superiors were asking weird questions since I am half russian, if I like Russia or Putin. Which side I am on with an undertone of threatening me to fire me.

There are many more racist stuff towards me further back but, this was the point during and after covid I was healed from my naivity of many Germans not being fascist leaning people.

I uphold the believe that as soon as a point is crossed and Russia sees it more than fitting to punish Germany by attacking the Reichstag or similiar strategic points, that the German populace will immediately turn to pogroms against Russian speakers. Their blind hate and love for fascism will hit anyone who speaks russian even Poles, Ukros or even any not so dark central asian.

20 000 Lusatian Serbs were killed by the Third Reich, without even the Lusatian Serbs ever engaging in any form of armed resistance.

That is a huge proportion of the entire population for such a small nationality.

Therefore, being peaceful and law-abiding may not save an ethnic group.


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