Russian special military operation in Ukraine #63

Is lyle6 actually @korobochka from Twitter, since he claims that nuclear weapons were used in his every other message?
First, they were used against Russians and now Russians used in this latest Oreshnik strike.

Nature is fascinating!

Pay attention to this beautifully straight-line cloud cover, located exactly over Dnepropertovsk at the latest Sentinel run ...




Did I also mention the scale of the freedom of speech and access to the uncensored information available to any happy westerner?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

1kg with speed of 3500 m/s has ~1,46 kg TNT  mass equivalent just in case

E=1/2mv2

Clever missile " Hazel , " my guess from observations : It uses powered gliding on upper atmosphere to gain range . Four stage Rocket . First two powers gliding . Third stage unpowered gliding , containing powered fourth stage guided penetrator . Plasma by frangible nose cone or other for stealth . Can contain nuke or conventional . In this case , what type ? Simple penetrator goes through facility and does not turn concrete into fragments . Conventional explosive does this , but explosion not big enough to carry to Kiev as quake ! Nukes warhead does turn into fragments and carry quake 100 or more kilometres . But if nuke , then why Ukraine / NATO keep quiet about it ? For the same reason they kept quiet about Iran Semnan quake ! They will not fight a nuke war ! Nukes don't make money ! Nukes cause peace ! They want to sell storm shadow .

Therefore Iran and Russia to make nukes visible . Lots of brandishing . Nuke toothpaste . Nuke Shoes . Nuke Soap on TV . Nuke..........
Plus a conventional MIRROR attack on US/ UK soil with small conventional . Both are fine ! Do Poland a bit later . Answer to latest post Deniper , storm shadow into Kursk .

flamming_python wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:The missiles are coming from Ukraine not France directly that is the problem.

So if Russia was to load a whole bunch of Kalibrs into shipping containers, put them on a cargo ship, and then have it blast the whole payload at Britain and France from international waters then that would be okay then? Or how does it work exactly?
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It works by giving those Kalibrs to someone else and have them fire it at Britain or France from their territory

It's that simple

Arkanghelsk wrote:Would the turbine halls of Rovno, Khmelnitsky and South NPP be enough to cut off power generation?

Why half-ass it?

Go for the reactors

Hitting the turbine halls projects weakness

This is the problem with your logic, Uk and France etc aren't doing this from their own soil, ukraine is being used.

Ukraine needs UK and France and US assistance with the codes and target information and programming these missiles.

If you give a machinegun to someone and tell them they can go out and murder people do you think the police will ignore them?

They didn't kill anyone...

You guys knew this would happen, you knew full well we would support Ukraine like this. You know the longer you allow this war to carry on, the more it will happen.

Right back at you... you knew a war would start and you hoped the Ukrainians with your super weapons would defeat the russian forces on the battlefield and the costs of the conflict would destroy the Russian economy and cause Putin to be overthrown.

Well apart from all the money and weapons and ammo you are never getting back it has been a bit of fun and games for your side so far, but Russia is doing things that will make your future not so bright.

The length of the war has always been up to the Ukrainian people, when they have had enough it will end... the west can send money and weapons, but when they run out of men this is going to stop.

Russia isn't hurting and is being forced to make decisions that will massively improve its future and the future of the planet... they would have sold resources to the west at very reasonable prices but you wanted them for free... now they are expensive and they are never going to be cheap ever again for you guys...

Burning bridges, killing the golden goose, biting the hand that feeds... are all relevant...

You guys opened yourselves up to this, you allowed Ukraine to become what it has, you allowed the coup to go down, you knew before the war started if you attack we will send weapons.

You created a monster and weaponised it... that is all on the west... and soon there will be a mad rush of Ukrainians that are brainwashed to thinking Russians are baby eaters and they are coming... along with Winter... I am sure the EU can afford a few more million Ukrainians... ironic because the Ukrainians who moved to Russia might find Russian occupied parts of the former Ukraine are now being rebuilt and is a nice place for them to move to when the war is over... where do you think Ukrainians in the west will go? Good work making them nazis... I am sure they will stop with their kill lists and thank you for all your help.

You cannot cry when the consequences of your actions are brought before you, NATO owes you nothing.

No one is crying.... you built up Russia to be the enemy to justify HATO so to get the Germans down and the Russians out and America in.... enjoy.

Russia would have been a valuable partner in trade and cooperation, but they can also be a powerful enemy too...

You are playing a game that has been played for hundreds of years, do not act shocked or surprised when you make bad moves, it goes bad for you and you get punched in the face. This is war not some gentlemanly game of chess,

The west has shown they are scum and Russia and Belarus is realising this probably for the first time... western propaganda is strong... but that is about all... their society model is broken and consumerism is destroying them...

Much as I criticize Putin for his hand-holding, and his white glove treatment on Ukraine and rightfully so.

He has given the west every change to change their ways but they are not interested, so he can essentially turn to the Russian people and say there is no future for Russia with the west... that is over... the rest of the world.... BRICS is their future... and the future looks bright.

He cannot attack NATO directly and he will never Unless Nato STRIKES from within NATO territory.

That is not what he said and is saying. The west is now a party to this conflict and are fair game if a suitable target is found it will be hit... even on HATO territory.

Welcome to the jungle....

If russia hits a NATO country, there will be responses NATO cannot allow Russia to conduct a direct attack and get off easy.

Then it should be not allowing Kiev to attack Russia. Russia will directly attack the support and recon lines of Kiev... which lead all the way back to London and Washington and Brussels and Paris and Berlin... why wouldn't Russia cross HATO red lines when HATO has no respect for Russians openly and clearly stated red lines.

Not to mention since Trump would be in office he will order harsh counter attacks if that happens, he isn't like biden at all. You would know that from his first term if you pay attention

Bullshit. Trump didn't attack Iran because he feared the American loss of lives, he is not going to attack Russia and he is not sending US forces to fight for the Ukraine.

More likely he will pull US forces out of the Ukraine and most of if not all of Europe and tell Europe it is their problem... like he did in Afghanistan.

Dude....I have said multiple times it will start with convential weapons but over time, tension will build, we will keep bombing eachother until it hits that snapping point.

You can say it all you want... the Russians clearly have an IRBM with a range of 5,000km and conventional precision guided warheads to take out targets without using nukes. How exactly is HATO going to respond without using nukes?

Tomahawks?

They will get shot down unless you do a kiev and target civilians.

He has said this kind of stuff multiple times and he has done nothing, Idk why you are acting like this isn't the same song and dance as before.

He has had about 3 red lines... one was Kiev in HATO which is why this conflict started, the second was the crimean bridge which is why the Ukrainian electricity grid is in tatters, and now long range HATO weapons attacking Russia... and the use of an IRBM to obliterate a military target this time in the Ukraine was the response.

The next response is likely going to be a target that includes Kievs leadership or a HATO country base which is supporting Kiev.

Common sense says its **HOUTHI TIME***

Hazelnut tree is likely truck based... it could be flown to Yemen... driven out of the plane and onto the runway... drop stabilisers... get satellite information about US ships in the region within 5,000km range and launch... at max range we are talking about 20 minutes so the plane could be fuelled and airborne taking the truck back to Russia before the carrier is barbecued... or a warehouse in Poland... such a target could use prefragmented metal penetrators with a small bursting charge set off above the target sending shotgun blasts of metal fragments to shower an large area with lethal fragments to destroy surface targets over a wide area.

you are unfortunately damn right that escalation will EVENTUALLY go nuclear.

Trump isn't going to go to war to save Kiev or the EU... he will likely blame Biden... there likely wont be a peace deal because he is unlikely to offer anything that Russia would agree to... Russia doesn't need to offer the west a win... even a partial win in this situation... all the things the west would call a win just means repeating all this in 10 years time.

The longer this shit show lasts and the more homicidally psychotic and desperate NATO gets the more likely it goes nuclear.

Public opinion will turn against the leaders who think nukes is the way to go...

There is even talk of giving Kiev nukes... or should I say giving them their nukes back... ignoring that there were no Ukrainian nuke... they were all Soviet...

I hope you are right, but you are dealing with the Americans and Eurotrash you are dealing with unhinged pyschopaths who have literally said nuclear fueled extinction is worth it if it means no more Putin. So yeah, I hope you are really right, but I fear you are wrong.

They have destroyed their hedgemony over the world trying to get Putin... they now have rather less to lose, but Trump in not one of them and he sees a different future and doesn't care if Putin is in that future for Russia. Elections in the west will also hopefully shift out the morons and find some less war mongering morons to lead them.

And I think that in any case, the objective of the neo-cons at the moment is trying to get Russia to 'blink' and freeze the conflict, maybe via third parties such as India and China. They may accept a climb-down eventually, even after a conventional exchange, if that proves impossible.

Russia is winning and the west are desperate to do stupid things like throwing the entire board on the floor so they can call it all a draw.... not going to happen.

But you can't exclude that the Americans will start to take the nuclear warheads off of some of their ICBMs and SLBMs now too to gain an equivalent conventional 'superweapon' that can't be intercepted. And the process of further escalation can acquire its own momentum outside of attempts to keep control of it.

You missed the point... 3km/s targets can't be intercepted by western air defence systems because they manouver... S-400 can intercept ballistic targets moving at up to 4.8km/s and the late model S-300V4+ missiles of the SA-12 system can engage ballistic targets moving at 4.5 km/s, while the new S-500 can engage 7km/s ballistic targets and the S-550 will engage satellites in orbit and faster targets... so probably 11km/s or faster.

The US has to develop conventional kinetic penetrators that don't destabilise and go off course and can be controlled to actually hit what they are aimed at... and the metal needs to be designed to not shatter or melt at such temperatures and speeds...

This isn't Russia just popping some lumps of metal on these missiles...

They're using heavy metal penetrator cores with embedded sub-kiloton nukes for effect.

Unlikely a subkiloton nuke would put out serious radiation that would be easy to detect and Kiev would not shut up if they knew the Russians had nuked them.

Also crossing that threshold would make things easier for the west because they don't have any conventional capability anything like Hazelnut tree.

GarryB wrote:
The US has to develop conventional kinetic penetrators that don't destabilise and go off course and can be controlled to actually hit what they are aimed at... and the metal needs to be designed to not shatter or melt at such temperatures and speeds...
This isn't Russia just popping some lumps of metal on these missiles...

I have said that before : this whole issue has a psychological background.
The problem with Americans in gremio is a fact, that they are so much soaked into propaganda of the US being so fukin' fantastic, that they have principal issues with getting things right.
If you were fed with propaganda since birth, it would be hard to see the objective picture of the matters.
Every single US-based commentator I have ever heard shows that perfectly well.

A usual US citizen gives a damn about anything other than the US matters - which is understandable as the US is a self-sufficient civilization that can survive without any external influence.

Even people who are cosmopolitan in nature, have connections abroad, and know other languages still are affected by that.

Take a look at one of my favorites: col. MacGregor. This guy has hell of a knowledge and friends in Europe and the Middle East. He even has some connections with Russian retired officers. Very well educated, considering the US standards, the guy presents a fine historical background and can argue using historical examples from the ancient Rome of Punic wars...
Some of his expertise include a lot of common sense and the knowledge of the realies, still even such an open-minded and well-educated guy has a problem with admitting that the US is objectively screwed on the arms race.

Admission of some objective facts on the ground is simply impossible for a person so much soaked in the US propaganda stream, where every single thing in the US is the best. Even if he realizes that perfectly well - he won't admit that openly, because by doing so he would have turned his US audience into a mental disorder condition.

Having a nuclear arsenal that is five decades old, has not been modernized since, and represents a shocking high ratio of malfunctions when sporadically tested - they ar still arrogant enough to talk about a nuclear exchange with Russia.
A country that has its nuclear arsenal not only higher but freshly neew and representing at least 2 generations of technological advance. That is being tested at a regular rate, and represents a very high readiness level.

An average US citizen won't understand, and won't admit, that Russia has a much more advanced arsenal, and a shocking history of military victories not only in its entire history but the last 50 years.
It is a nation-wide psychically driven denial stage.
And that is why this is so dangerous - they really think that they can defeat anyone on the planet, any time.

That is why one of the interviews given by the new secretary of defense shocked me with his opinion about the real shape of US military, clashed with the Chinese.

lyle6 wrote:

JohninMK wrote:
Which also explains why no explosives were used, but probably tungsten rods (or similar), as these penetrate up to 100 meters deep and destroy everything with their kinetic energy, penetrating every obstacle without a visible explosion.

They're using heavy metal penetrator cores with embedded sub-kiloton nukes for effect. A purely KE penetrator would just punch a neat hole in the ground.

These strikes register on seismic scales btw.

By punching deep into the ground all radiation traces gets buried deep - sort of like an impromptu underground nuclear test. NATO can deny it.

Hmmm...maybe Russians used hypersonic, kinetic kill...shovels?

littlerabbit wrote:

Hmmm...maybe Russians used hypersonic, kinetic kill...shovels?  

The jokes with the shovels are not funny anymore, I reckon...

Anyway please edit your post and remove the multi-quote.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

In this scenario is the ship Russian owned? or is it a group of people hostile to Uk and France. Ships btw are considered sovereign territory of their host nation.
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Can't resist to answer this absurd logic.

Say, a ship sailing under panaman flag, owned by a Greek company , leased to a South Korean company, loaded in Japan launch 8 kalbir missile from a container on the deck against the British ministry of WAR while docked at the port of Dunkirk.

Is it possible?
Of course few 10 milion and a comfortable houses in Brazil and you can find few guys to do it.

Whom will be responsible for this kalibr launch?

I hava a suprise, it will be the RUSSIANS.

Even if there is no russian link, only the missiles.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
You guys opened yourselves up to this, you allowed Ukraine to become what it has, you allowed the coup to go down, you knew before the war started if you attack we will send weapons.

You cannot cry when the consequences of your actions are brought before you, NATO owes you nothing. You are playing a game that has been played for hundreds of years, do not act shocked or surprised when you make bad moves, it goes bad for you and you get punched in the face. This is war not some gentlemanly game of chess,

Wow, so , Russia turned up to ask ukraine for a date and possible wedding, but the U.S.A was faster, kidnaped and raped ukraine, now the Russians are the stupid, because if they rape faster then they can be the ownber of Ukraine. Completly collapsed economy, million eadt, half of the country emigrated, lost areas. So success story this rape , isn't it ?  

Wow, so ethical and moral reasoning.

People still freaking out regarding what France is saying.

France has spoken big plenty of times. If push comes to shove they are screwed. Russia is simply waiting for them to enter this conflict as NATO wont come to France's rescue. As for the missile systems, better to get France's and UK's enemies armed to the teeth with Russian missiles.

What matters is that Russia is still gaining more territory as of right now.