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    Post  Kiko Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:28 am

    Negotiations with Trump No Longer Needed: Putin's Ukraine Plan Worked, by Kirill Strelnikov for RiaNovosti. 12.17.2024.

    The closer the date of Donald Trump's inauguration as the new-old President of the United States, the more Pavlov's dogs twitch from opposing impulses: some are salivating over the beautiful plans for final peace in Ukraine, others are squealing in pain and despair.

    One thing is clear to everyone: Ukraine has lost, and with it the cardboard carnival under the sign "Support Ukraine for as long as it takes" has been soaked under the Donbass snow, and now the question is: who will call the tired waiter and pay the bill.

    Yesterday, the role of maitre d' was taken on by The New York Times, which for the first time so specifically and unequivocally stated that the client was not showing any signs of life and had already begun to stink, which meant that "it was high time to plan the post-war phase of the conflict."

    According to the publication's experts, there are only four options for final agreements, which should include some kind of security guarantees for Ukraine (in other words, that bloodthirsty Russia will not attack peaceful Ukrainian puppies and kittens again).

    First, Russia remains with the liberated territories, the rest of Ukraine joins NATO. But there is a sharp and irreconcilable split in the NATO camp on this issue, and besides, Trump and his team are against it (we are not even talking about Russia’s clearly defined position). Nobody cares about Zelensky’s wishes and hysterics. We cross them out.

    Option two: Russia remains with the liberated territories, but instead of the US, post-war security for Ukraine is guaranteed by a certain "coalition of guarantors", which is apparently understood to be a group of several European NATO countries. Considering that Trump plans to reduce US involvement in Europe and the Ukrainian conflict to a minimum, no three-finger combination will work by default in the absence of the US. Cross it out.

    Option three: the same, but "peacekeepers", i.e. NATO soldiers, are brought into the remnants of Ukraine. No matter how hard Europe tries, the amusing Euro-regiments will not be able to play any role by definition, and Russia will not allow alliance troops on Ukrainian territory. Cross it out.

    Option four: "armed neutrality." Russia stays "with its own," and Ukraine pumps up its military muscles on the condition that "there are no restrictions on the size of its army or any conventional weapons that the country can produce or acquire." According to the authors of the material, this is the most achievable option, although it is "the most disadvantageous for Ukraine."

    Conclusion: Trump has already internally said goodbye to Ukraine and wants to end the war with minimal costs, without taking any responsibility, and in any case will never provide Kyiv with American security guarantees. All that remains is to bargain something with Russia in exchange for decency. Considering yesterday's statements by Trump's future security adviser Mike Waltz, who confirmed that "there will be no more checks for any amount to Ukraine", and future special envoy to Ukraine Keith Kellogg, who voiced Trump's desire to end the conflict "within a few months", this conclusion seems to be true.

    With one exception: Russia, in essence, no longer needs any negotiations or compromises, because everything has come to what our president initially warned and spoke about.

    Since the 2014 coup, Vladimir Putin’s proposals for Ukraine and the collective West have been more than acceptable and doable, but as they have been rejected, they have become tougher, and the outcome on the ground has become more compelling and irreversible. Now, in the words of Bloomberg, “Russia has no incentive to compromise because it is winning.”

    This means that if the West, with or without Trump, tries to raise the stakes again, then Putin’s latest conditions based on the Istanbul agreements will be revised towards tougher conditions without any internal torment – ​​let’s recall the remark of the Deputy Head of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev, who hinted that there could be more regions of Russia being liberated.

    In other words, the conditions for ending the conflict have already been written and are lying in the Kremlin, there is nothing to discuss there and no one to discuss it with, and the opposing side is politely invited to sign them until the fairly soon moment when their expiration date expires.

    As for the hysterical threats of the West regarding nuclear escalation, the rumours about a direct conflict with NATO and other mantras in the style of "until the last European", they were given a final answer at yesterday's meeting of the board of the Russian Ministry of Defense, which was attended by President Vladimir Putin and the head of the department Andrei Belousov.

    The main points of the telegram on demand to Brussels and Washington:

    • 2024 became a turning point for the special operation, and the Russian Armed Forces firmly hold the strategic initiative along the entire line of combat contact (everything you sent there was scrapped, and if you send more, we will write it off even faster);

    • the regular number of the Russian Armed Forces has been increased to 1.5 million servicemen, Russia will maintain the potential and balanced development of nuclear forces, and the completely non-nuclear "Oreshnik" will soon be mass-produced;

    • Russia is considering and preparing for any development of the situation, including a possible military conflict with NATO in Europe in the next decade (it will not be possible to catch us by surprise, we see everything and take measures, don’t dream about it).

    Apparently, this telegram was delivered. For example, yesterday, the co-chairman of the Alternative for Germany (AfD) Tino Chrupalla, clearly worried, said that "the German government should recognize the fact that Russia has already won the conflict in Ukraine and help resolve it," and the Dutch Minister of Defence Ruben Brekelmans called for an urgent agreement with Russia, "before Trump does it."

    There is only one sad thing: in order to ultimately return to what Putin initially spoke about, the West sacrificed a million Ukrainians and destroyed our brotherly country with its own hands - and we will never forget this.

    https://ria.ru/20241217/tramp-1989530861.html

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    Post  Arrow Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:38 am

    WTF So Ukraine has taken to eliminating generals at the highest level. Putin will certainly express outrage.

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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Dec 17, 2024 8:53 am

    With terrorists, there's no negotiations or "gestures of good will".
    Someone in Kremlin needs to finally realize that.
    If they acted in kind after Daria Dugina was assassinated, these things wouldn't be happening.

    Not to mention that years of appointments of "yes man" and mediocrities in various security services and military, created weak organizations that now show inability to function efficiently and have serious organizational and security problems.

    Ukrainians managed to kill one of the armed forces branch commanders. Less than a day after announcing some BS case against him for using chemical weapons against Ukr military and population. Which means that there's a security breach high up, as they managed to obtain address of his personal residence, plan and prepare assassination beforehand.


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    Post  ALAMO Tue Dec 17, 2024 8:56 am

    Regarding NK troops on the ground, there are some leakages a bit more clear rather than pixels on the snow ...

    https://t.me/intelslava/71279

    https://t.me/intelslava/71294

    But we are dealing with propaganda that stages hundreds of fakes daily. The last one relevant to the matter was a pure gold, when they reproduced a film with two Russian soldier girls, twins, with AI giving them Korean faces.

    So first and foremost, I don't trust a single ukro information until proved.
    And second, I don't give a damn if there are NK boots on the ground or not.

    WTF So Ukraine has taken to eliminating generals at the highest level. Putin will certainly express outrage.

    War is risky business and people die.
    Is there anything that shocks you?
    And ukrs being ukrs, and doing ukr things.
    There is one thing sure considering historical examples. Budanov won't die in his bed of age, and that is sure.
    And a lot of others either.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Tue Dec 17, 2024 9:49 am

    Ukraine has assassinated a Russian general in Moscow.

    Putin will do nothing.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Tue Dec 17, 2024 9:51 am


    With terrorists, there's no negotiations or "gestures of good will".
    Someone in Kremlin needs to finally realize that.

    You have to realize that kremlins will never "realize" that.

    If they had either the will or capability to retaliate they would have already done so.

    The West and other Russian enemies now know that you can do anything - practically anything - to Russia with total impunity.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:02 am

    Something for the records.

    Try to imagine the scale of stupidity - nationalist driven one - that pushes you to waste your time and resources doing things like this :

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    This is a granite board dismantled and destroyed by the Russkie soldiers in Soledovo.

    It states : Burn, prorussian bitches! All of you, go to hell's flames. Soledovo unit of Anubis. Good evening, we are from Soledovo!

    It is some childish craziness. A thing that 12y/o could have figured out.

    One must be a total madman to make such a granite board and hang it in a public space.
    We are dealing with true, hate-driven madness on a nationwide scale ...

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:19 am

    Assassinations are pretty normal in war... do you think when Russian Kinzhal missiles and Iskander missiles hit HQ bunkers that there were no high ranking Ukrainians or HATO generals present?

    Blowing up cars with female reporters or the children of important people is not war, that is terrorism and that is what the enemy is in this conflict, which is why there likely wont be any peace treaty as such, more likely a military collapse and capitulation...

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    Post  PhSt Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:24 am


    The West and other Russian enemies now know that you can do anything - practically anything - to Russia with total impunity.

    Low quality trolling. if this is true then NAziTO would have openly entered the war or imposed a no fly zone in Ukraine Laughing

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:49 am

    Brazilian mercenary Lucas Ribeiro de Jesus decided to tell on his TikTok stream about the war crime he committed: he stated that during a battle in the Kursk region (where he ended up, of course, illegally, along with the Ukrainian Armed Forces), he killed two Russian soldiers, who were a father and son.

    After this, the Brazilian cut off his son's ear (he shows it on the stream), and his father's head, and took his helmet and took it home during his vacation in Brazil.

    This is not the first such case. There was already a Spanish mercenary (https://t.me/warhistoryalconafter/84705) who sold the severed fingers of our soldiers. Or a Polish propagandist with her Galician husband (https://t.me/warhistoryalconafter/183370) who looted the corpses of ours.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:02 am

    Karla, do you have a link? Your word is meaningless because you are a NATO asset so do you have a link about the general?

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:08 am

    Is the video a domestic location?

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    The media reports that Russian Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov was killed in an explosion in the southern part of Moscow. He was the head of the Radiological Chemical and Biological Defence Troops of the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation

    The general regularly reported on briefings regarding biological and chemical warfare preparations and attacks conducted by the AFU and the United States.

    — In the summer of 2022, he spoke about the study of mosquito-borne viruses in biological laboratories in Ukraine.

    — In February of 2024, Kirillov provided examples of the use of toxic substances by Ukrainian forces not only on the front lines but also in terrorist attacks.

    — In August, he announced that the US has started involving Moldova and Romania more actively in schemes for transporting biomaterials from Ukraine.

    — In October, Kirillov reported on Ukraine's preparations for provocations involving toxic substances. He said that in August, the Ukrainian Armed Forces had used Western chemical weapons under the guise of smoke shells in Sudzha, and in June, a laboratory for producing toxic substances had been found near Avdeevka.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:24 am

    Those mega cages may look odd and cumbersome but they do the job. Thirteen drones Shocked 

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    Post  PhSt Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:35 am

    Russia 🇷🇺 needs to release a statement that any assassination of its military personnel will result in NATO officers getting assassinated
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:41 am

    A bit more on the General, who clearly led a capable Department. Always struck me as a capable communicator of difficult subjects.


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    Lt Gen Igor Kirillov, the head of Russia's Nuclear, Biological and chemical (NBC) protection troops, was assassinated in Moscow: a plot conducted by the Ukrainian SBU.

    Kirillov exposed Covid-19 as a man-made virus created by the US government; revealed that the US government hindered a probe into the origins of Covid; and exposed Pfizer and Moderna's involvement in US military and biological games in Ukraine.

    Blowback will be quite something.

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    Post  PhSt Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:42 am

    Now is the right time to intensify Russia's bombing campaign in Ukraine. Kill NATO officers and kill a dozen high ranking Ukrop military officers Now

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    Post  kvs Tue Dec 17, 2024 12:12 pm

    As pointed out by Mercouris, Putin is now using the term Novorossiya more and more indicating that Odessa is on the menu. He was previously
    referring to the four regions. The longer that retarded chimp elensky and his NATzO handlers spazz with their last stands, the less of Ukria they
    will have any chance to control.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Dec 17, 2024 12:19 pm

    This is how the situation changes as the world gets sick & tired.

    A fun fact that I was telling you about several times - what the west is talking about has hardly any connection to the acting.
    The latest Micron visit to Poland proved that perfectly well.
    Poland is in the starting position for the presidential elections in May 2025. No political party will dare to talk about war and escalation, as people would eat them alive. Pushing for conflict means losing the elections.
    That's why Micron was offered a cold shoulder in exchange for his generous offer that Polish cannon fodder should be used as peacekeeping forces in Ukraine.
    The most funny comment I have heard so far was there must be a peace before peacekeepers can get in. Laughing Laughing
    There will be peace at the end of the civil war - but will be there any space for peacekeepers left is unknown ..

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    Post  lyle6 Tue Dec 17, 2024 12:19 pm

    Russia needs to respond with mass assassinations on NATO personnel on NATO soil.

    Mercenaries too. Like that favelaos, someone needs to wire some gangbangers and massacre the subhuman and his family - no mercy.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Dec 17, 2024 12:26 pm

    Why so shy? Use your force, Luke ... I mean, lyle6.
    Why not nuke?
    Nukes! Nukes everywhere!
    Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Arrow Tue Dec 17, 2024 12:39 pm

    As pointed out by Mercouris, Putin is now using the term Novorossiya more and more indicating that Odessa is on the menu. He was previously referring to the four regions. wrote:

    For now, let them at least take control of Donbas and the remaining regions that have been accepted into Russia.

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    Post  Kiko Tue Dec 17, 2024 12:57 pm

    Look out for CIA sleeper cells of the nineties and early 2000s operating in Moscow and deep inside Russia.

    The Kirillov & assistant murder is all about Robinette imprint all along. Blaming the SBU at a time of a vast prisoner exchange negotiation is outright diversionism.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:27 pm

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:...After this, the Brazilian cut off his son's ear (he shows it on the stream), and his father's head, and took his helmet and took it home during his vacation in Brazil.

    This is not the first such case. There was already a Spanish mercenary (https://t.me/warhistoryalconafter/84705) who sold the severed fingers of our soldiers. Or a Polish propagandist with her Galician husband (https://t.me/warhistoryalconafter/183370) who looted the corpses of ours.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:30 pm


    Russian general getting taken out is colossal fúckup by Russian security apparatus as usual but it could have some positive results

    Russian higher ups have been treating this whole thing like a game between buddies while their troops were getting killed so this might motivate them to stop pussyfooting so hard





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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:39 pm

    PhSt wrote:Russia  needs to release a statement that any assassination of its military personnel will result in NATO officers getting assassinated

    Soldiers get killed in wars

    This general was soldier was he not?

    If you want vengeance then avenge the troops who got killed before him, them move on to his case

    No jumping the queue

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