Russian military operation in Ukraine #63

Vatutin was killed by scumbags in a big arrow war. The Amerikkkunt general in Afghanistan was killed after the US had full control of that territory. Not sure you know what you are talking about when you say war of attrition that is achieving all operational objectives caused the murder

You want your little slow slow slow war, guess what stuff like this is the price.

If you want a rapid war you have to mobilize a significant amount of manpower and material, and that means huge burden on life quality and economy.

If you can give Putin, for free, 30 divisions with all weapons and enough amount of ammo for them then I am sure without your complaint Putin will order a march to Kiev in an instant.

If not, just watch in silence.

Putin is not immune to criticism but from my point of view it is more meaningful if you provide a little more reasonable arguments, such as what Putin should have done to improve the protection for his generals so that such things won't happen again.

Maybe a Avangarde demo on Lviv would send the right message.

Maybe a Avangarde demo on Lviv would send the right message.

Why not fire it into the artic ocean or onto the moon while they are at it?

@flaming

I'm guessing you are missing the point that no one purposely went after generals in history unlike recently with both Iran and now Russia by US, Israel and Ukraine?

That kind of shit was usually met with heavy responses.

Anyway, if you think that pussyfooting around is winning strategy, I only wish you guys best of luck.  Russia may be winning on the battlefield, but there is still long ways to go.

I like how you downplay it like as if it isn't a huge problem but it is. It proves the inability of the Russian government to protect its own high command in their own respective country, in the capital. It proves that it allows terrorism to high degree to happen in its country and not met with a response. No, blowing up a telephone poll isn't a response. With these actions, it will eventually erode trust in the Russian government and not just society as a whole will think that it isn't sade to be a Russian even in Russia with the weakness of thr government, it will be all neighbors too who will see this as assume it's safe bet to move away from Russia because they aren't willing to even protect their highest of personnel and do not respond against a third world country like Ukraine.

Once again, not hitting back at their high command will be a vital mistake

Reinhard Heydrich ring a bell?

It does and always has happened. And Seig Solovev is right in this case, the General was a military target.

And this is not something that couldn't have happened w/o NATO support. As it is the Ukrainian SBU just paid some Uzbek to plant an explosive and that was that. Certainly it happened with their knowledge and approval, carried out by a state that they back politically, financially and militarily. But that's it.

No it won't erode any trust. There will be retaliation, this retaliation will be painful for the Ukrainians. Whether it will get any messages across I don't know. Security measures will have to be stepped up for all MoD officials and officers in Moscow.

The huge losses of Ukrainian forces are often reported. People have been saying for two years now how the Ukrainian army will soon fall apart. It's been three years now and it still hasn't fallen apart. With such losses it should already fall apart.

But it will. They don't have an infinity supply of men. And their will to fight will erode even before that.
4 years seems to be the magic number. WW1, WW2, American Civil War... give it time. Your impatience becomes you.

If anything this war shows the weather Russia isn't as lethal as we thought. 3 years and still haven't even gotten to 25 percent of Ukraine.

And that's just with supplies, while Russia has the way logistical situation it could hope for

Progress in the war is measured in body bags not territory. In all essence this is the strategy that Moscow switched to after the initial month.

Seig  you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, that is for sure.

Russia was quick to ending this 2 years ago.  The leadership decided they wanted to go the route of "slow and steady" thinking Ukraine would collapse that way. It didn't. Their predictions were incorrect but they aren't changing course.

If anyone in Moscow had any predictions about when the Ukraine will collapse, then they haven't made them public. Apart from Shoigu, who I believe said 2025.

Again I fail to understand the impatience. Time is Russia's ally, not NATO's ally.

Nato support wouldn't even get there dumbass. If Russia ended up just going Israel and bomb logistic hubs and every truck passing through, then no, they wouldn't get support and they would have collapsed.  Russia let's the routes still run.

And to guy above, yes, now there are legitimate targets Russia should definitely hit.

And what did Israel achieve in Lebanon?

Yes, that is why it is often a long way to completely defeat a given country and force it to capitulate. The Allies, with their ever-increasing advantage, needed 2.5 years to defeat Germany. That is why the road to Ukraine's capitulation is still very long. Unless the great Mr. Trump kindly allows Russia to sign some agreements, but then Ukraine will not be defeated. The West will rearm it and keep it on a drip for years to come.

The Allies would not have defeated Germany at all, nevermind in 2.5 years, without the Soviet Union. And the Soviet Union needed almost 4 years to defeat Germany, and that was with allied help. Of course the Ukraine is far weaker than Germany was, but it has far more support from other countries, and a lot of manpower too.

@sep

The Russians badly over extended, they had to few troops to control those areas hence why they had to pull back.

The Russians suffered hard when they got near keiv.

They did not win at that point, they where in a good position to a point but that situation was quickly getting worse for them.

Keiv was never under any risk of being captured, so don't lecture me about that.

Fact is with NATO support that is half assed, Russia is having a massive problem advancing.

While being right on their boarders. This isn't a good look for them. Granted this is due to how Putin is dictating the war sure, but still is what it is

I'd argue it's less of a good look for NATO. This is a war between the Russian and NATO strategies of war. The NATO strategies have culminated in the failed counter-offensive of 2023 and mass casualties. Wasting troops and extending the front in the Kursk region which went nowhere. That bridgehead at Krinky, which went nowhere. And all sorts of psychological ops that failed to get the Russians running as expected either.

NATO armies would not fare any better against the Russian army, than the Ukrainian one has. Apart from the US, which is more dangerous virtue of greater numbers, capabilities and similar force multipliers as to what Russia has. But otherwise they would all end up in the same quagmire and then order their troops to do all these aggressive maneuvers and tactics and advances which will accomplish nothing. Everything that worked for them against Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya.. is not working against Russia.

What Russia did is recognize the NATO strategies and decide to play it safe, and play it defensively.

A high-ranking General was assassinated by Ukraine SBU in Moscow. I think Russia's internal security has a big gap.

Do you think it's that hard to follow a Pentagon general back home to his house and plant an explosive in his letter-box?
No-one dares, that's why they're secure. Until now no-one has dared in Moscow either.

Random idea for the day here.
Back in early 2022, Russia was just a few miles from the centre of Kiev.
There were some Russian losses for what was a relatively bold attack. And many Banderite losses.

Russia could have refused any Istanbullshit agreement.
It had a small task force vs the Banderite one. Both sides around 200k.

Russia could have brought troops over from other districts eg from the Far East. And said to Japan "try anything on with the Kurils and we will turn Tokyo to ashes".

Who thinks such a continued aggressive approach refusing to sign an Istanbullshit agreement may have been the best option?

That could have worked but it also could have ended in a shitshow. The Ukraine was low on troops when Russia was pressing on Kiev, but the Ukrainian population had the will to fight and mobilization was picking up. Kiev would have been the mother of all urban battles and a delay in taking the city probably would have cost the whole operation.

I think you need to learn English first to understand what is said.

It's reference to arms being funneled as they are now, wouldn't be in the hands of Kiev if Kiev was already taken.  Whatever was handed prior to 2022 is nothing compared to what was handed after.

Simple fact is Ukraone wouldn't be launching atacms if they were never able to receive them in first place.

Do you really think it's that hard to sneak through ATACMS through the roads and forests and railroads all connecting the Ukraine with thousands of km's of border with NATO countries?
Interdicting that supply is a practical impossibility

The only thing you could argue is that more territory could have been taken to prevent ATACMS being used against Russian cities. But then there are models of various ranges which can be supplied.

https://www.rt.com/russia/609517-nuclear-war-ukraine-karas/

Nuclear war would be good for Ukraine – neo-Nazi activist

Ukraine would benefit from being targeted by a Russian nuclear strike, which is why Moscow will never undertake such a step, a notorious far-right activist and head of a hate group has claimed.

Prominent Ukrainian neo-Nazi Evgeny Karas has said he would welcome a nuclear escalation in the Ukraine conflict, in an interview on Tuesday with Ukrainian broadcaster Radio Bayraktar.

Karas claimed that the November release of the video game ‘S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2: Heart of Chernobyl’, which was developed in Ukraine, has prepared the country for a nuclear war. The country will come through a nuclear crisis and make a leap forward in technology, producing artificial intelligence and advanced robots, Karas believes.

The-thing-next-door wrote:Why not fire it into the artic ocean or onto the moon while they are at it?

Gaza looks like it has been hit by an Avangard - don't recall that you had any complains about that?

SeigSoloyvov says that Ukraine is fighting for its life. When we all know that Ukraine was deliberately put to war against Russia by the US. So spare us your fucking stupid sentimentalist nonsense.

Gaza looks like it has been hit by an Avangard - don't recall that you had any complains about that? Neutral

What has that to do with Russian "retaliatory strikes" being less than useless?

A M1A1SA Abrams of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, destroyed in the Kursk region.

https://t.me/intelslava/71369

The-thing-next-door wrote:What has that to do with Russian "retaliatory strikes" being less than useless?

Then you certainly don't know the power of the Avangard. A single strike will level Lviv.

The Kurakhovo front being annihilated. Pokrovsk not doing any better.

19 November 2024


18 December 2024


Ugledar was liberated by the Russians in October 2024.

Russian assault units took control of Roevsky elevator in Kurakhovo.


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/115558

A moment of air defense operation, presumably against American ATACMS ballistic missiles that attacked a target in the Rostov region.

3/4 interceptions with no significant damage or casualties. A barn was apparently hit.

This was then followed by another 10 missiles which Russian authorities claimed to have shot down.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/115560

Belgium fails to deliver promised F-16s to Ukraine in 2024

Belgium will not be able to start delivering F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine by the end of 2024, as previously promised, Belgian newspaper Le Soir reported, citing Belgian Defense Minister Ludivine Dedonder.

The newspaper also reported a delay in the delivery of US-made F-35 fighter jets for the Belgian Air Force to replace aging F-16s.

higurashihougi wrote:Putin is not immune to criticism but from my point of view it is more meaningful if you provide a little more reasonable arguments, such as what Putin should have done to improve the protection for his generals so that such things won't happen again.

Since when is Putin responsible for the operational security of the Russian military personnel and facilities? If there is any criticism it belongs with the General Staff and its internal security people.

Seriously. A dog shits on the pavement and its all Putins fault.

‍ The enemy attacked Berdyansk and Tokmak with Storm Shadow missiles

The Governor of the Zaporozhye region stated that everything was shot down and the debris fell into the sea and a field.

Earlier, there were reports of a missile attack on the Rostov region.


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/115562

Reward for committing terrorism in Russia is a EU passport.