Russian military operation in Ukraine #63

Big Gazza wrote:Since when is Putin responsible for the operational security of the Russian military personnel and facilities? If there is any criticism it belongs with the General Staff and its internal security people.

Seriously. A dog shits on the pavement and its all Putins fault.

Putin is the head of state and de facto leader of government with many executive authority, not a figurehead. So yes, although people cannot dump everything on Putin as a scapegoat, Putin is responsible as a leader.

And this incident is not dogshit, it is the death of a high-rank general responsible for a strategic sector of the army.

This tragic incident won't deny Russia from its final victory but think about it, how many years and how much money you have to spend to have a general like this ?

Then you certainly don't know the power of the Avangard. A single strike will level Lviv. wrote:

The problem I was referring to has nothing to do with damage. My point was if they don't want to strike nato they may aswell strike the moon.

Storm shadows are launched via jets. So my question is, where are these jets taking off and landing from? Russia has hit pretty much all airbases in Ukraine and I figure they can easily monitor with radar where these jets are taking off from.

The thing is, if you read my history on this site, you will know my knowledge of such stuff.

But one thing you may have missed is that Russia doesn't lack satellite based launch detection systems and guarantee they are monitoring not from the sides but from above.  Which could very well easily spot these planes and missiles.

Yes, I've been on this forums far longer than you have, mp.net before hand. Plus I have family who have worked on radar systems be it OTH and space based.

No, they know exactly where these are being launched from.  And as we know Ukraine is large land mass, as soon as these take off and launch, it can be seen quite far from how the OTH radar uses the ionosphere to be able to detect launches and low altitude planes moving. Then it becomes rather obvious of the missile launch from a plane, especially multiple. This is why in many case, the bases where these planes fly from and launch, usually get hit hard soon after by Russia.

You can pretend all you want of your supposed knowledge. It's rather tiresome.  You can though keep making long winded posts that anyone can do basic research on though. Be my guest.  And keep up insulting people too, because it just makes you sound even more smart and right.

As I said, tr1 was correct about most of you.

sepheronx You mentioning mp.net that was a real memory jerker. 

Military Photos.net in effect which came to a juddering halt due to potential copyright issues. Amazing Ukraine civil war coverage in 2014/5.

Kiev is preparing the city of Pokrovsk for surrender. American equipment and British Challenger 2 tanks are being withdrawn from the settlement. The city is already within striking distance of Russian barrel artillery, writes Pravda.Ru .

    A number of foreign experts believe that Ukraine has missed the opportunity to leave Kurakhov without huge losses. Today, Russian soldiers are separated from the complete capture of the city and suburbs by three kilometers. Up to three battalions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are concentrated inside.

    One battalion is sealed on the western flank of Kurakhov, the second to the south in the area of Constantinople. But if from the west the Russian army can cut off the APU from the highway through Dachnoye, where the only road goes, then the entire grouping will be sealed. They may try to unblock it, but this event will be very risky.

    In the South Donets direction The Russian Armed Forces continue to cut off the Vremevsky ledge, threatening the Ukrainians with encirclement. The Deep State portal, working for the GUR, writes about the deteriorating situation for the Ukrainian Armed Forces behind the Coal Mine. And in the evening, information came that the Russian army was able to force the Mokry Yaly River and reach the Storozhevoye near Velikaya Novoselka.

    Makarovka was liberated by nightfall, the nationalists fled in panic, leaving 22 corpses in Makarovka and the forest fields. The villages of Uspenovka and Constantinople was cleared by nightfall, Bandera fled from these settlements as well. Now Russian soldiers are spreading the supports in Ulaktah and Amber.

    Heavy fighting continues in the border area of the Kursk region. There is an advance of Russian troops in Russian and Cherkassy Porechne, but it's too early to talk about liberation.

    The Western media began information preparation of a certain military operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The fact that their units in the Kursk region are being systematically destroyed has been known for a long time, but suddenly data began to be thrown in that everything is bad for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. This may be due to the impending breakthrough, since there are up to 18 thousand militants in Kiev's reserve, who, just in case, are being held near the Kursk site. It is quite possible that they will simulate a blow first in Pokrovsk or Kharkiv region.

    The Kursk front is the most important direction for the cornered Zelensky. Plus, traditionally, it is necessary to monitor transportation across the Black Sea. At Christmas, the Bank always tries to come up with some kind of abomination.

    The outgoing administration of Joe Biden may not have time to send Kiev the remaining 5.6 billion dollars approved by the US Congress. This is reported by The New York Times, referring to a high-ranking employee of the US Department of Defense.

    By the way, the same publication reports that the Ukrainian special services assumed responsibility for the terrorist act in Moscow, in which the head of the RCBZ troops, Igor Kirillov, was killed. In response to this terrorist attack, Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev proposed to destroy the military-political leadership of Ukraine.

    Since October, the OPU and the Western media have been spreading the topic about the military from North Korea, which no one has seen in the era of drones and satellites, which has already turned into a joke. This is done to get more weapons and money from the West. It will also be an excuse to increase mobilization.

    It is possible that the Russian army intends to enter and capture the Dnipropetrovsk region. This was stated by the head of the Communications department of the 48th EDB of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Petrenko.


https://eadaily.com/en/news/2024/12/18/surrender-pokrovsk-but-launch-a-new-counteroffensive-kiev-is-ready-to-kill-18-thousand-people

Recall Georgian war and when Russia was already at Tblisi, how quick they folded?

Russian troops never entered Tiblisi, they pushed the Georgian troops back from the front line border area and continued back to collect up Georgian arms that were dropped when the operators ran away. Russian troops never went near let alone entered Tiblisi.

I know my fellow Ukrainians, and I know it would have ended but eh, whatever. Let more innocent die and we shall see where this ends.

Men who go to the front line and pick up their rifle or weapon and defend themselves from the Russian forces are not innocent. If you drop your weapon and surrender you might survive. Fight and die.

Now I see why Vlad left. I may have disagreed with him on lots of things, but now things are more clear than ever. TR1 also left too. He also was Russian.

Vlad79 didn't leave by choice... https://www.russiadefence.net/t8057-garryb-is-new-site-admin

TR-1s last post was almost 10 years ago. AFAIK he had a disagreement with Vlad or other Mod.

Wasn't TR-1 complaining and saying they will never make more than 8 Borei subs and their production rate of subs will never increase or some such nonsense?

I get it, you don't like how this war is being conducted by Russian leadership. I don't like it too, I want Russia to be more proactive and very harsh. Yet, I know that eventually this war will heat to the point that Russia will have no choice but to do as I said, so no point for me yapping until then. I see where this is going.

This conflict is damaging the west, the longer it continues the more sanctions from the west against Russia the less ties between the west and Russia... when the conflict ends the west will start dropping sanctions that hurt them the most... but of course they wont drop all the sanctions. And of course they will demand Russia drops its sanctions against them.

They already complain about airline overflights despite the fact that they started it with banning Russian airline flying in their airspace... are they so stupid they thought Russia would not impose the same restrictions on their airlines? Yes, they are.

They are the worlds police and are imposing judgements against Russian to punish her for her bad behaviour... but Russia can't respond in kind... the prisoner can't send the judge to do jail time...

Killing leadership is one thing, what Russia is doing now, is killing population and hopefully, 18 year old will be drafted soon and the women as well. Now, this would be a way how to defuse the country, reduce human capital to irrecoverable levels. This democide is called THD, please remember when you turn off the lights in Ukraine.

If they want to keep fighting Russia can keep killing. Eventually they will say no, but their propaganda is strong... but then it is just so easy to blame Putin for everything and anything.. Seph and Firebird are doing it now...

The strategy has been working and is working... Ukraine could have surrendered 10 years ago or it might never surrender. Shock and awe is not going to defeat the Taliban, why would anyone think brainwashed Ukrainians will surrender.

Killing them is not to get them to surrender... killing them is to get their society to collapse so it is no threat for rather more time than if they just stopped fighting with plans to build up and have a go when they are stronger again.

People defending Putin for not responding to the killed general are clueless.

These types of actions are considered a no no even by our standards.

The west tries to take out opposition forces leadership all the time... the guy currently in charge of Syria has a 10 million dollar US bounty on his head FFS.

How long did the US try to kill Castro and Saddam and Osama Bin Laden... they had a fucking playing card system in Iraq to keep track of all the men they wanted to murder...

These idiots whining that Putin didn't respond didn't wait for the investigation to determine who gets the response...

His killing wouldn't count as terrorism, try again.

If we are going to be logical here, there is no rule in war that says his killing was illegal or a terrorist based act.

He was a uniformed man.

Interesting logic there... so anyone can kill American soldiers because American soldiers are involved in so many wars they therefore technically are at war.

Japan and the Soviet Union never signed a peace agreement either so Russians and Japanese can kill each other with impunity too because technically they are still at war.

Don't be shocked when Ukraine does under handed tactics, when you are fighting for your life, there is little you won't do.

They were targeting civilians when they thought they were winning, that ship has sailed.

Don't blame a cornered dog for biting blame tue idiot standing there letting themselves get bit

Except when a dog you don't like bites you you be wary of its teeth... the first chance you get you kick them in.

You want your little slow slow slow war, guess what stuff like this is the price.

If they wanted any war they would not have bothered with the Minsk agreements.

The slow war is the best of a range of bad options.

The west has pumped most of their ammo and weapon reserves and hundreds of billions of dollars into this conflict... they have also sold their credibility to the rest of the world and when you look at the international sanctions on Russia you see they are western sanctions... the west is isolating itself with this bullshit.

Again I fail to understand the impatience. Time is Russia's ally, not NATO's ally.

It is costing the west too much money and causing disunity amongst the western allies... and the results are nothing like what they expected... a surrendering drunk Russian army collapsing with their economy and begging to be allowed to sell energy to Europe for even less money than ever before...

I am sick of seeing my fellow countrymen on both sides, innocent ones, keep getting killed and the people who can stop it, taking their sweet time and only having taken 1 glove off instead of both

Putin has done everything to find an alternative to war and the west gave him no other option.

It is the west that is pushing Ukrainians into the Russian meat grinder, but you blame Putin.

The US has arse raped Germany by essentially cutting off cheap Russian energy via NSs and now the gas flow across Ukraine is about to end, and Germanys response is to blame Putin and buy US gas at three times the price... some of the US gas sold to the EU is from India... which is Russian gas before the Indians process the other chemicals out of it that the Europeans used to process out of it. They lost their chemicals industry and are paying even more for their energy... but it is Putins fault.

**** America and **** the EU.

They are to blame.

Aside from some news or economic/tech stuff, I don't think I will bother even saying anything anymore here. No point.

Promise?

Because honestly blaming Putin makes you sound like a Filth columnist... (not dirty... not number 5).

Nuclear war would be good for Ukraine – neo-Nazi activist

Getting desperate and suicidal... but some here say they are winning.

Karas claimed that the November release of the video game ‘S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2: Heart of Chernobyl’, which was developed in Ukraine, has prepared the country for a nuclear war. The country will come through a nuclear crisis and make a leap forward in technology, producing artificial intelligence and advanced robots, Karas believes.

Yeah, cause radioactive zombies make the best factory workers and miners....

Seriously. A dog shits on the pavement and its all Putins fault.

But it is true it is true...

This tragic incident won't deny Russia from its final victory but think about it, how many years and how much money you have to spend to have a general like this ?

Not a tragic accident, a paid for terrorist attack... a paid hit... the attacker is not Ukrainian and did it for money and a new life in the EU...

Most of the deaths in this conflict are tragic and not worth it but the alternative is surrender.

But one thing you may have missed is that Russia doesn't lack satellite based launch detection systems and guarantee they are monitoring not from the sides but from above.  Which could very well easily spot these planes and missiles.

Spotting them is not enough... spotting an Su-24 at 25m altitude launching a storm shadow the 200km into Russian territory means it is 100km from the front line... which SAM type can intercept a low flying fast target 200km away that has now turned away and is racing to a place to land and be moved into a building or hangar to hide it...

This is why in many case, the bases where these planes fly from and launch, usually get hit hard soon after by Russia.

So you think in that situation they will fly that plane back to the airfield it took off from?

The effectiveness of Pantsir with that job is amazing.

The Soviet and Russian air defence equipment has proven to be outstanding.

And they continue to improve it and adapt it.

The west is going to need an all new set of weapons for their next conflict with Russia.

The West has launched a propaganda campaign comparing Russia to the USSR before its collapse

The absolutely hilarious thing is that the way US and western propaganda work is that when they criticise Russia or the Soviet Union they usually do it by talking about themselves and reflecting to to their enemy.

In this case are they foreseeing a western collapse?

Interesting.

Military Photos.net in effect which came to a juddering halt due to potential copyright issues.

More like the photos threads started to be not anti Russia enough, but had been tolerated because they generated a lot of interest and traffic for the site.

MP.net essentially died when they closed those photo threads and then went a bit mental.

sepheronx wrote:The thing is, if you read my history on this site, you will know my knowledge of such stuff.

You have a history of deceit. You are deceitful and of low character, pretending to be from RUSSIA while actually being from India. You possess a smooth way with words and a knack for deceiving people. Typical Indian scumbag.

Sepheronsk wrote:The thing is, if you read my history on this site, you will know my knowledge of such stuff.

I'm happy that you found your way back here, even though we don't always agree. It would be great if TR1 could do the same!

"Interesting logic there... so anyone can kill American soldiers because American soldiers are involved in so many wars they therefore technically are at war.

Japan and the Soviet Union never signed a peace agreement either so Russians and Japanese can kill each other with impunity too because technically they are still at war."

I normally ignore your responses because you are so pro Russian it's pointless and the fact you twist words and put words in people's mouths


1. If we are engaged in a war and the other player killed a military leader, then no that wouldn't count as terrorism.

If your country is engaged in warefare with another and your wearing the uniform then you are technically a valid target no matter your location.

Again there is no rules and what not against it and that's the fact.

2. Technically yes Russia and Japan could.

ALAMO

I have found it, finally.

It is a vid of interceptions in the Rostov region.

https://t.me/intelslava/71366

Investigating that closer, we will find two groups of interceptions, 6 pcs each.
6 pcs is a full load of a HIMARS, and ukrs used to operate with two of these at most, saving this strategic asset...

Interceptions are consolidated in small spaces, suggesting that those are just taken one by one, with a single salvo. Considering the "puff" size - Pantsir.

I have seen only one similar vid till now, where the same amount of 12 HIMARS rockets have been intercepted, one by one.

The effectiveness of Pantsir with that job is amazing.

This is factually incorrect, as target that was in Kamensk-Shaktinsky raion of Rostov region is distanced more than 150 km from closest point of the front. There was no 12 HIMARS rocket fired/intercepted as they don't have a range to hit the target in question. Even the longest ranged, one which is ER GMLRS has a range of only 150 km. Attack was done by ATACMS and Storm Shadows. Himars can carry only one ATACMS.

Let's see what Russian MoD says about this:

https://t.me/milinfolive/137995

The Ministry of Defense confirmed yesterday's attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine with ATACMS and Storm Shadow missiles on the Kamensky Combine enterprise in the Rostov region.

According to the Ministry of Defense, during the anti-missile battle, combat crews of the S-400, Buk-M3 anti-aircraft missile systems and the Pantsir anti-aircraft missile and cannon complex shot down all ATACMS missiles and three of the four Storm Shadow missiles.

Target:




Location of the target:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/KncgBAhwmEUxGc7e7

Ah, mp.net mentioned.

If you remember Russian Photos Thread, biggest contributor, Romans now became blowjober of Ukrainians, a filthy traitor who is willing to finance people killing his own kind for kudos points even if he is still an "orc" to them. Lets say, he might or might not have received video of beloved Ukrainian getting very interesting "haircut" by Tuvans, followed by 5.45 popsickle, same as he deserves, haha.

Anyway, video of pig doing something useful, this time - feeding local wolf population (Ukraine has around 2000 of them, mostly up North)

After short chase, he simply lets forest doggies to tear on his flesh, please show him respect

ALAMO wrote:One more catch :

https://t.me/intelslava/71398

North Korean Koksan SPGs en route somewhere in Russia.

edit : interesting is a fact that people in the background seem to speak Korean - which could mean that it was taken in Korea. An RZhD train in the background can be explained as a routine rail line from Russia to Korea that are being operated three times a week.

North Korean advisors/military observers are in for almost a year. I assume, same for Chinese. Why would they miss this school of modern warfare? Especially relevant when it comes to drones.
And North Korean Bulsae-4 operators are killing Ukrainians for months, especially in Kursk.

There are good sources that some line of contact work are done by North Koreans, but I will be cautious.

Ukrainians are desperate to show proof of NK troops because they know there are some of them, but can't find them and it's so hilarious to me.

Probably, he takes the blame for the death of general Kirilov:

https://t.me/milinfolive/137987

Colonel-General Nikolai Yuryev resigned from the post of head of the FSB military counterintelligence department - the source of the RVNP.

Some sources attribute Yuryev's departure to failures in operational activities in the system of the Ministry of Defense.

https://www.facebook.com/K01Archive/posts/pfbid02KGvgJSaMLCaY7omGJgmnppNanavPkkMPNbM2V9SCNG79b9gLohJBkQwYwHZBTJLyl

The Ukrainian government decided to send several reinforcements to Kursk direction.

One of them is the 155th mechanized brigade just finished their training in France. The 155th is armed with French made AMX-10 and Cesar. However their main AFVs are the very outdated and weak VAB. The commander of 155th bridage is also the former commander of the infamous 47th brigade.

Beside them, there were also several units that were used at the initial phase of the Ukrainian Kursk invasions and have been rotated out after that. These guys of course have better equipments and trainings than the forced and abducted conscripts that Kiev government throw to garrison in Kursk.

Of course Russia manage to detect the Ukrainian buildup and they have attempted several scouting inflitrations into Sumy.

@garryb

Judging by how Russian retaliation hitting certain airfields more than once, yeah, they seem to be returning where they fly from.  And the purpose of such systems like Voronezh radar, it would be able to identify the target from point of launch to point of return. It is really indeed a new generation of VHF/UHF radar systems.

As for mp.net, you were there too and knew exactly how it went. Yes, it was anti Russian but not all members there were batshit insane. Linedoggy was one of the few rabid anti Russians there but even he wasn't too bad.  He would criticize what was necessary to of his own government. Something hard to do here because there is a cult like following of the Russian leadership.

As for vlad, I know he left not entirely our of his own volition, but the guy fled to France. That in itself says something. You recall how I was banned when I called him out? Especially regarding economics of Russia which eventually proved me corrct hence how it survived the sanctions? This was long before the sanctions. TR1 called him out as much as I had. I lost admin status because of it then got banned.  Tr1 also had a dislike to a lot of members here including towards me because of ferver Russian support that was illogical at times and that was an eye opener to me too.

One major thing that makes mp.net and this site similar is if you criticise something that is popular, it becomes a lynch mob.  For everything people bitch about that site, it has become the same thing here.  Hell, it's worst because you got people like Tolstoy who is not only an idiot, he is a racist one too who really shows it openly and does so without punishment. Sujoy is the very type of person he insults because goes after his ethnicity and religion.  He keeps claiming I'm Indian Hindu or whatever, guy is as dumb as a sack of rocks and even if I posted my picture he would still call me Indian Hindu.  That shit didn't fly there.

In about 10 years from now, there will be plenty of talk, even on this forums (if it still exists) of where things went right and where things went wrong with this war and people will complain about Putin. I'm wondering if the cult following of him will still be as strong by then as it is now.

As for Georgia part. Troops were outside of Tbilisi and headed there. Recall Shakashvili ducking for cover when Russian Su-25's were flying over the city? Tie eater was scared for his life and fled.