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Il-76/476 Military Transports
franco- Posts : 7047
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franco- Posts : 7047
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Il-76MD-90A apparently costing a lot more then planned. So contract renegotiated, looks like same money but fewer planes:
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2656751.html
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2656751.html
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11 planes less- with 41 IL-76MD-M, it seems the difference won't be felt by the AF. Some countries may also trade in their IL-76MDs which could also be modernized, should Russia ask for them.Судя по имеющейся информации, теперь российские вооруженные силы получат 28 новых транспортников, вместо 39. ..С другой стороны, наладить качественное и быстрое производство может экспорт реанимированного Ил-76 — уже ведутся предконтрактные переговоры с двумя государствами, заинтересованными в приобретении самолётов этого типа. В «Рособоронэкспорте» при этом рассчитывают поставлять за рубеж по 4−5 самолётов в год. https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2291941.html
franco- Posts : 7047
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Tsavo Lion wrote:11 planes less- with 41 IL-76MD-M, it seems the difference won't be felt by the AF. Some countries may also trade in their IL-76MDs which could also be modernized, should Russia ask for them.Судя по имеющейся информации, теперь российские вооруженные силы получат 28 новых транспортников, вместо 39. ..С другой стороны, наладить качественное и быстрое производство может экспорт реанимированного Ил-76 — уже ведутся предконтрактные переговоры с двумя государствами, заинтересованными в приобретении самолётов этого типа. В «Рособоронэкспорте» при этом рассчитывают поставлять за рубеж по 4−5 самолётов в год. https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2291941.html
That is for the first contract. There will be more in the 2021-2025 budget.
miketheterrible- Posts : 7383
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exactly. First contract was for SAP2020 now next one will be signed. Will be smaller though. Maybe the 10 additional to bring the number back to initial.
These transport planes are much needed.
These transport planes are much needed.
Tsavo Lion- Posts : 5960
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If the situation in Ukraine changes & relations improve, the AN-70 project for Russia may be given a 2nd chance. Ordering some will decrease the need for so many Il-76MD-90A.
In the context of an aging fleet of IL-76 and the actual closing of the An-70 program, the program to create the Il-76MD-90A has become more important to the Russian aircraft industry in the medium and even long term. https://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/11/17/modernised_il-76_set_for_take_off_39773 Russia's Ministry of Defense had planned to purchase 60 An-70 planes by 2020. They would have paid approximately $67 million apiece. Russia currently uses the Il-476 .. as an alternative to An-70. https://sputniknews.com/military/201503021018945329/
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Tsavo Lion wrote:If the situation in Ukraine changes & relations improve, the AN-70 project for Russia may be given a 2nd chance. Ordering some will decrease the need for so many Il-76MD-90A.
Russia's Ministry of Defense had planned to purchase 60 An-70 planes by 2020. They would have paid approximately $67 million apiece. Russia currently uses the Il-476 multi-purpose four-engine strategic airlifter as an alternative to An-70. https://sputniknews.com/military/201503021018945329/ In the context of an aging fleet of IL-76 and the actual closing of the An-70 program, the program to create the Il-76MD-90A has become more important to the Russian aircraft industry in the medium and even long term. https://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/11/17/modernised_il-76_set_for_take_off_39773
That actually would be quite stupid move and i dont really see that happening personally.
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franco wrote:Il-76MD-90A apparently costing a lot more then planned. So contract renegotiated, looks like same money but fewer planes:
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2656751.html
Cost did rise, not unexpected tbh. Tho it will probably go abit lower as production goes further.
Tsavo Lion- Posts : 5960
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The RF'll probably never get their ~$100M already invested back from Ukraine, & the Russian engine maker will earn more if AN-70s are ordered. It would be stupid to drop it in favor for extra more expensive Il-76MD-90As! Other AFs use both C-17s/IL-76s & C-130Js/A-400Ms; the PLAAF uses Y-20s//IL-76s along with Y-8/9 & is developing Y-30. https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/chinas-transport-tanker-heavy-lift-aircraft.t197/page-302#post-456509Militarov wrote:That actually would be quite stupid move and i dont really see that happening personally.Tsavo Lion wrote:If the situation in Ukraine changes & relations improve, the AN-70 project for Russia may be given a 2nd chance. Ordering some will decrease the need for so many Il-76MD-90A.
In the context of an aging fleet of IL-76 and the actual closing of the An-70 program, the program to create the Il-76MD-90A has become more important to the Russian aircraft industry in the medium and even long term. https://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/11/17/modernised_il-76_set_for_take_off_39773 Russia's Ministry of Defense had planned to purchase 60 An-70 planes by 2020. They would have paid approximately $67 million apiece. Russia currently uses the Il-476 multi-purpose four-engine strategic airlifter as an alternative to An-70. https://sputniknews.com/military/201503021018945329/
GarryB- Posts : 40506
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They are never going to get the money spent on the An-70 back, that is certainly true, but all the crap they have been getting regarding Antonov designs including servicing and support the last thing they should do is try to revive that company or that country.
The Ukraine is a neighbour but at the end of the day the best Russia can hope for is for the west of the Ukraine to turn totally west and ignore Russia while those areas that don't want that can look to Russia... but many of these areas are not the best friends some people assume they are... just because they don't like the government in Kiev does not mean they are pro Russian or Russia friendly... or even interested in being friends with Russia for anything but selfish reasons.
They are developing a new aircraft to replace the An-12 in the 20 ton payload class with a twin engine design. A larger four engine model would be an ideal solution to fill the gap left by the An-70... It will take time but will be bullshit proof, which is more than one could say about any model of the An-70 that survives.
The Il-76 is more expensive but it is a larger longer ranged aircraft too... and all that extra money is being spent in Russian factories... so it is money well spent by the Russian military.
Extra airframes means economy of scale in terms of spares and support...
The Ukraine is a neighbour but at the end of the day the best Russia can hope for is for the west of the Ukraine to turn totally west and ignore Russia while those areas that don't want that can look to Russia... but many of these areas are not the best friends some people assume they are... just because they don't like the government in Kiev does not mean they are pro Russian or Russia friendly... or even interested in being friends with Russia for anything but selfish reasons.
They are developing a new aircraft to replace the An-12 in the 20 ton payload class with a twin engine design. A larger four engine model would be an ideal solution to fill the gap left by the An-70... It will take time but will be bullshit proof, which is more than one could say about any model of the An-70 that survives.
The Il-76 is more expensive but it is a larger longer ranged aircraft too... and all that extra money is being spent in Russian factories... so it is money well spent by the Russian military.
Extra airframes means economy of scale in terms of spares and support...
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Tsavo Lion wrote:If the situation in Ukraine changes & relations improve, the AN-70 project for Russia may be given a 2nd chance. Ordering some will decrease the need for so many Il-76MD-90A.
...........
There's one problem with An-70 that a lot of people overlook for some reason: it is not good. Not good at all.
Regardless of money invested it remains inferior pile of junk.
GarryB- Posts : 40506
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Actually it looks rather better than the A400M to be honest, but not western country will buy it over the A400M or C-130 super herc because the maker is practically bankrupt and the country the maker comes from has no money to buy any itself, so you have to carry the design yourself... too much risk.
Especially with financially unstable Ukraine.
Especially with financially unstable Ukraine.
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TsAGI completes another round of wind tunnel tests on a Il-276 medium transport aircraft model.
https://twitter.com/EmbassyofRussia/status/945713516065017856
https://twitter.com/EmbassyofRussia/status/945713516065017856
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I have a question. IL 476 was equipped with new cockpit glass, avionic as well as flight control system. Why they still need a crew: 5 people 
, such a modern airplane needs only as much as 3 ( 2 pilots and 1 navigator)
, such a modern airplane needs only as much as 3 ( 2 pilots and 1 navigator)
GunshipDemocracy- Posts : 6165
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and what is your source of news?!Bigbird wrote:I have a question. IL 476 was equipped with new cockpit glass, avionic as well as flight control system. Why they still need a crew: 5 people
I could not find anywhere number of Il-476 crew. Only Il-76
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:and what is your source of news?!Bigbird wrote:I have a question. IL 476 was equipped with new cockpit glass, avionic as well as flight control system. Why they still need a crew: 5 people
I could not find anywhere number of Il-476 crew. Only Il-76
Some Russian sources i saw claim it has crew of 5.
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:and what is your source of news?!Bigbird wrote:I have a question. IL 476 was equipped with new cockpit glass, avionic as well as flight control system. Why they still need a crew: 5 people
I could not find anywhere number of Il-476 crew. Only Il-76
You can see the cockpit in this pictures. 4 upstairs and 1 downstairs. It means that, although the IL-476 is deeply modernized, its automation capabilities are limited. They try to replace the analog devices with digital devices and the mechanic clocks with the LCD monitors. It still needs 5 people to operate
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It is a military plane which can operate from dirt strips and drop airborne troops at night. Greater workload as in a civil plane flying 150 People from A to B. And one of the five crew members is the load master.
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Bigbird wrote:You can see the cockpit in this pictures. 4 upstairs and 1 downstairs. It means that, although the IL-476 is deeply modernized, its automation capabilities are limited. They try to replace the analog devices with digital devices and the mechanic clocks with the LCD monitors. It still needs 5 people to operate
then perhaps number of loadmasters is 2-3 ? Il-76 is mainly used as VDV transport (so uploading stuff is done rather quickly or spare places as in US tankers (15 spare places for aircre/d\med ops) ?
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I think this is a requirement for the Russian air force. I read somewhere that civilian An-124-100 operated by Volga-Dnepr or Antonov have less crew than Russian air force planes. If Il-476 is ever procured by a civilian carrier (not unlikely), then it will probably have a crew of 3 or 4 maximum (including the loadmaster).
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Over 10 Il-76MD-90A Military Transport Planes Under Construction - Ilyushin
"At present, three of these transport aircraft are already in service, while more than 10 planes are at various degrees of readiness in production," an Ilyushin press release cited Vasiliy Dontsov, chief IT officer at Aviastar-SP, an aircraft manufacturing plant based in the city of Ulyanovsk in the Volga region.
Aviastar-SP is a subsidiary of the Ilyushin Aviation Complex within the structure of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation.
https://www.facebook.com/madeinrussianfederation/photos/a.585021491651544/1130513203769034/?type=3&permPage=1
"At present, three of these transport aircraft are already in service, while more than 10 planes are at various degrees of readiness in production," an Ilyushin press release cited Vasiliy Dontsov, chief IT officer at Aviastar-SP, an aircraft manufacturing plant based in the city of Ulyanovsk in the Volga region.
Aviastar-SP is a subsidiary of the Ilyushin Aviation Complex within the structure of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation.
https://www.facebook.com/madeinrussianfederation/photos/a.585021491651544/1130513203769034/?type=3&permPage=1
GarryB- Posts : 40506
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I remember that Aeroflot got new planes with smaller cabin crews... both Russian and western and they didn't like them.
They preferred a larger crew including english speaking crewmen to assist in operations around the world.
They had a lot of problems with "more efficient" western planes in Siberia because there was no extra space for heavy coats and boots... and of course the quality of the support equipment at some airfields meant operating western planes was not possible.
Also I have a Russian Arms catalog from 2001-2002 that includes the An-70 which says its flight crew is 3-5...
They preferred a larger crew including english speaking crewmen to assist in operations around the world.
They had a lot of problems with "more efficient" western planes in Siberia because there was no extra space for heavy coats and boots... and of course the quality of the support equipment at some airfields meant operating western planes was not possible.
Also I have a Russian Arms catalog from 2001-2002 that includes the An-70 which says its flight crew is 3-5...
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Russia’s heavily upgraded military transport plane performs debut flight
http://tass.com/defense/1029829
The serial-produced Ilyushin Il-76MD-90A, a heavy upgrade of the Il-76 military transport plane, performed its debut flight on November 7.......
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PapaDragon wrote:
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Russia’s heavily upgraded military transport plane performs debut flight
http://tass.com/defense/1029829
The serial-produced Ilyushin Il-76MD-90A, a heavy upgrade of the Il-76 military transport plane, performed its debut flight on November 7.......
They will probably say modernized Il-76 are good enough and this one is not needed because they don't have money. Like su-57 /su-35 or t-14/t-90.
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Isos wrote:
They will probably say modernized Il-76 are good enough and this one is not needed because they don't have money. Like su-57 /su-35 or t-14/t-90.
article form link says:
The plane can also be used in emergencies areas, for example, for extinguishing fires. In October 2012, Russia’s Defense Ministry and the United Aircraft Corporation signed a contract worth 140 billion rubles ($2.1 billion) for the delivery of 39 Il-76MD-90A military transport planes to the Russian Armed Forces.
More:
http://tass.com/defense/1029829
perhaps something changed and they wanted downgraded version then?