Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News

kopyo-21 wrote:If I am not wrong, Su-34 is more expensive in both acquisition, operation & maintainace than Su-30SM and Su-30MK2.

Isos wrote:

kopyo-21 wrote:If I am not wrong, Su-34 is more expensive in both acquisition, operation & maintainace than Su-30SM and Su-30MK2.

I don't think so. Su-30sm is much more advanced with much more expensive technology. Su-34 was developed by the soviet.

MC-21 wrote:

kopyo-21 wrote:The Su-34 unit cost is 1.5B Rubles (92 aircrafts / 140B Rubles). The Su-30SM unit cost is 1.2B Rubles (50 aircrafts / 60B Runles)

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2344648.html
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2290633.html

AMCXXL wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

kopyo-21 wrote:The Su-34 unit cost is 1.5B Rubles (92 aircrafts / 140B Rubles). The Su-30SM unit cost is 1.2B Rubles (50 aircrafts / 60B Runles)

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2344648.html
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2290633.html

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hmm that's interesting.  This Russian heavy fighter Su-30SM costs ~ $21mln   Eurofighter / Rafale  ~ $100 mln  F-15v~ $100mln heh looks like 4x cheaper. It would looks like from procurement point of view ~$ 200 blns?!

The Price of 140 Bn Rubles for 92 Su34 was in 2012 when the contract was signed
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Russia has high inflaction rates and the prices are updated every year, no currently the cost in rubles is higher than that, in dollars is a diferent thing because the ruble/dollar  exchange now is the near the half tan before the Ukranian conflicto

In adition you cannot compare the prices in dollars because Russia does not pay the airplanes in dollars and they make the airplanes by itself.
If you want to purchase a Su-30SM you will pay the equivalent to 40 or 50 millions dollars for each airplane

GarryB wrote:Of course an accountant will argue that the west can afford more 100 million dollar aircraft than Russia can afford 50 million dollar aircraft, but of course the needs of an invader are always greater than the needs of someone interested in self defence...

GarryB wrote:Su-30SM is not really comparable to new model western fighters... better comparison would be Su-35, but I suspect its price would not be more than 60mil per aircraft, so it still stacks up reasonably well.

AMCXXL wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

kopyo-21 wrote:The Su-34 unit cost is 1.5B Rubles (92 aircrafts / 140B Rubles). The Su-30SM unit cost is 1.2B Rubles (50 aircrafts / 60B Runles)

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2344648.html
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2290633.html

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hmm that's interesting.  This Russian heavy fighter Su-30SM costs ~ $21mln   Eurofighter / Rafale  ~ $100 mln  F-15v~ $100mln heh looks like 4x cheaper. It would looks like from procurement point of view ~$ 200 blns?!

The Price of 140 Bn Rubles for 92 Su34 was in 2012 when the contract was signed
.
Russia has high inflaction rates and the prices are updated every year, no currently the cost in rubles is higher than that, in dollars is a diferent thing because the ruble/dollar  exchange now is the near the half tan before the Ukranian conflicto

In adition you cannot compare the prices in dollars because Russia does not pay the airplanes in dollars and they make the airplanes by itself.
If you want to purchase a Su-30SM you will pay the equivalent to 40 or 50 millions dollars for each airplane

AMCXXL wrote:

Singular_Transform wrote:

AMCXXL wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

kopyo-21 wrote:The Su-34 unit cost is 1.5B Rubles (92 aircrafts / 140B Rubles). The Su-30SM unit cost is 1.2B Rubles (50 aircrafts / 60B Runles)

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2344648.html
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2290633.html

`
hmm that's interesting.  This Russian heavy fighter Su-30SM costs ~ $21mln   Eurofighter / Rafale  ~ $100 mln  F-15v~ $100mln heh looks like 4x cheaper. It would looks like from procurement point of view ~$ 200 blns?!

The Price of 140 Bn Rubles for 92 Su34 was in 2012 when the contract was signed
.
Russia has high inflaction rates and the prices are updated every year, no currently the cost in rubles is higher than that, in dollars is a diferent thing because the ruble/dollar  exchange now is the near the half tan before the Ukranian conflicto

In adition you cannot compare the prices in dollars because Russia does not pay the airplanes in dollars and they make the airplanes by itself.
If you want to purchase a Su-30SM you will pay the equivalent to 40 or 50 millions dollars for each airplane

Wow , nice finding.

Then the fighter jet exchange rate ( f/A-18 vs Su-34) will be 22 rubel/$.

If the current su34 price is 2000 million rubell.

In 2012 when the contract was signed doller/ruble ws 1:28 to 1:32 (we can take 1:30)
In 2017 dollar/ruble is about 1:55 to 1:60 , this is the half

In 2012 the price of one Su-34 was  140.000/92= 1522 M Rb or 51 Million $
That the Exchange rate is the half does not means the airplane cost is the half.
This is a mistaken way of think (typical of Weesterners that think they are the center of the world)
Russia pays in Rubles the military hardware produced by themselves inside Rusia.
Also in the west the airplanes are produced for private corporations, as more expensive the better, to win, the more money the better at the cost of robbing the taxpayer
While in Russia is controlled by the state for spent as less money posible. Russia pays the cost of manofacture in most cases , not a Price of market.

With a inflaction rate of only 10% in 5 or 6 years the cost today can be more of 2400 MRb (currently 45 M$), but I dont know if has been published the exact ammount of money that pays each year the MoD for the Su-34 .

Is necesary to know how many money is going to pay Algeria for the Su-34 for have a reasonable comparison
In adition Su-34 is not an airplane with similar counterpart in the West. The size and role are unique nowadays.
You can compare F-18 with Su-30SM at most, or better with MiG-35 when available.
Su-34 is classificated as BOMBER and have the role of a Tactical Bomber of the frontal aviation
The doctrine, roles , tactics etc.. in the soviet/russian military are different that in the west, and it seems the most of westerners does not understand this