GarryB wrote: Su-75 isn't ready so can't talk about this and it's very unlikely to sign for something that doesn't exist yet. Even if it is promising.
No they didn't! They suffered the equivalent of 25000 UK soldiers in Vietnam under ratio. So don't tell me they won by surrounding on smaller army while togoegether could have decimated if it wasn't for Sadat.
Looking to the future a medium/light fighter that is a 5th gen aircraft that actually looks like it could be cheaper to buy and operate than any western 4th gen fighter let alone the one 5th gen fighter on offer from the west, I would think getting in early would be a good idea. {whatever, your opinion means nothing to me, sorry}
Mig-35 is also an open architecture design but egypt already operates the mig-29M.
Not shit Sherrock
I think the MiG-35 is what they wanted but it wasn't totally ready yet because of a lack of users and therefore a lack of funding for proper development and problem solving... the Russian AF are using MiG-35s and so problems and issues should be getting worked through so it gets a bit of experience and maturity (whatever}
The biggest problem for it though is that I think the Russian AF probably want their light 5th gen fighter to be really cheap to make and to operate and that because of this the new light 5th gen fighter MiG will be making for them looks like a lead in fighter trainer very light aircraft that will be stealthy and with brand new avionics and systems and weapons, but might lack range to be useful for export countries to use as a primary fighter they way they might use the MiG-35.
The Su-75 looks like it is rather bigger and will probably better suit the role of export primary 5th gen fighter, with S-70 drones and perhaps also with a few Su-57s to operate as over watch perhaps.
It also has to be wary of CAATSA tier nonsense and all the strings that come attached to stuff we are discussing. Egypt has made wise choices.
It will be a minefield for most countries considered outside the west in dealing with western countries for some time... just look at the climate catastrophe movie, the day after tomorrow... where much of the US became unlivable but at the end you see mass migration of Americans (and when I say Americans I mean the people living in North America in a country called the USA... it is unclear if Canadians went with them or not...) down into Mexico, and you hear comments like we are going to safety in Mexico... are they doing us a favour.... nah... they owe us because we are so damn nice to them all the time... they can help us out for a change...
The west is very busy isolating itself from the rest of the world... soon they will understand how they disrespect everyone and that it s not their place to tell other countries what laws they can or cannot have and how they should vote at the UN or anywhere else.
Egypt ordered the su-35 and Russia produced them. They backed off because they were told so by the US. Like it or not.
You head the Russian boasting that it was the EGY pilots who didn't know how to fight the ISraeli in air and showed them how its done only to lose all 5 MiG-21s HAHAHAHAHA what a joke!
Same with chief of staff the great Shazly told the Russian some minor improvement of the sagger units to make them better only to get scolded "we indented those things and we know bets who are you to tell us? Who am I, Shazli said, we operated them and found their shortcoming so shut the **** up!
You say that but we don't really have any actual evidence to support or refute that claim.
Egypt destroyed itself after letting down the soviets and switching to the US. Russians were always supporting them with best equipement they had.
US on the other hand gave weapons that could not threat Israel. Totally useless.
Not completely right, the US is a bully and will use all its financial muscle to bully other countries to do what they want them to do. No argument there. But they provided a lot of military equipment to Egypt, right? Did Russia come close?
Whatever, don't care about them.
Perhaps if Egypt can join BRICS then they can get stability in trade and alternative products so if the US threatens to cut Egypt off from the "world" then Egypt can tell them to go take a jump off a cliff, but it would be reckless until they can ensure they are safe from such threats. Doubt it.
The western world is getting weaker and more desperate and the war in the Ukraine is making that worse... any conflict they can manage to start over Taiwan might lead to the demise of the US as we know it.... there are plenty of countries in the EU that have lost faith in the US and want their own deal with China, and Americas response to that was a threat that if the EU does not help in Taiwan then the US will stop support for Ukraine... which sounds pretty good for Russia and the Ukraine if you want the fighting and suffering to end.
You don't seem to understand. Su-35 were produced. So the contract was signed and Egypt bought them. Their was no technical decision. It was just that Egypt was aftaid of the US. It's not like they rejected an ofder, they actually signed and made the russian build the aircraft then rejected them.
Yeah, we know... a bit like a country agreeing to build two helicopter carriers for a country and then building them with substantial amounts of parts and features requested by the customer only to have the country making the helicopter carriers refuse to deliver those ships to the customer and demand they be sold to someone else with all the money paid refunded and enough information transferred about those helicopters that the customer was then able to plan a new helicopter carrier design twice as heavy with all the features they really wanted in the first place, but were going to settle for what the customer was selling instead... which was massively overpriced anyway.
Those su-35 will never go to Egypt. You can stop dreaming. They are iranian now.
That is probably true but as more and more countries reject US ditats over what they can or cannot do in their own defence perhaps eventually Egypt will plan for the future and join the Checkmate programme early enough to maybe get a contract to make parts for these planes that might end up earning them good money, and their low purchase price and low operational costs might mean they can get rather more of them than they would have bought of the Su-35, which will give them better coverage with likely very similar weapons options.
Yep. Hope you saw how those export version of abrams for arabs were cooking in Yemen. You have more than 1000 of those shitty pieces as your main tank. No need to order tge t-90 US will oblige you to let down such wet dream.
Lets be fair, the Abrams has a few design flaws, like exposed turret bustle stored ammo, but it is otherwise a pretty good tank if you can keep the engine running...
Mig 35 was the most used until today. They even used it with kh-35 to hit real targets. Rafales seems too expensive for you and is barely used.
The MiG-35 is a small sized Su-35, most in the west totally underestimate it, which makes it rather useful, certainly as a numbers aircraft.
The deal is Egyptian, and it is still Egyptian, whoever wants, and my father is from my father
The Egyptian deal is still going on
There is no official evidence to show Egypt has changed its mind about the Su-35, they bought the places AFAIK and they can decide when they want delivery.
People can claim it is CAASTA, but it could equally be the Russians wanting to keep Su-35 production for domestic use to build up numbers while this conflict with Kiev and future potential conflict with HATO is still a high probability... they might also have wanted to fast track aircraft for Iran to punish the west and Israel for its continuing bullshit in Syria and in general... and if that is the case I would hope the Russians are being very nice to the Egyptians for their patience and understanding... maybe they will add a few aircraft to the order for free, or perhaps allow their participation in some other area that they might be keen on.
We have already seen they are interested in long range AAMs comparable or better than those operated by their neighbours... the Russians had a programme to make two long range models of the upgraded R-77, the solid propellent rocket model was fast tracked at the cost of the ramjet powered long range model... now I would think if you are going to make a ramjet powered AAM that can fly at mach 5 or 6 then how much harder would it be to make a scramjet powered missile that flies at mach 9 or mach 10 on pretty much the same fuel... which should massively increase flight range and performance.... how do you dodge a missile moving at 3km/s?
That is three times faster than a rifle bullet from an M16 at the muzzle.
When you buy a products you take it once it is produced. The su 35 are sitting in Russia for 1 year now. Get real uncle Sam told you "don't take it or I'll spank you" and you obeied
And if France had had a thicker skinned botty it would likely be selling two more Mistral class helicopter carriers to Russia by now, but instead the first two are in Egypt.
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