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And that is not propaganda, again let 217km sink in
Not to mention... the target aircraft climbed to launch weapons and then descended again, meaning the S-300V4 hit them when they were at low altitude at 217km away...
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Not to mention... the target aircraft climbed to launch weapons and then descended again, meaning the S-300V4 hit them when they were at low altitude at 217km away...
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S-300V4 is quite possibly the most important asset on the ground for the Russians. With NATO signaling that its willing to use tactical nuclear weapons when its troops get defeated (and use their total propaganda dominance to convince the braindead majority of the inverse) the Russian troops are going to need the most formidable shield they can get. They're in luck because the S-300V4 is that shield.
Which can only suggest active homing heads, and that the control of the engagement has been handed over to an airborne observer. A world first.GarryB wrote:
Not to mention... the target aircraft climbed to launch weapons and then descended again, meaning the S-300V4 hit them when they were at low altitude at 217km away...
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Yesterday and today ukrainian bombed Belgorod successfully
Meanwhile in reality:
Air defense repels a massive strike on the Belgorod airport.
Over 10 targets shot down. 2 arrivals in the airport area.
Governor Gladkov had previously reported two casualties as a result of the shelling.
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/29919
As a result of the shelling of the Armed Forces of the Belgorod Region, two wounded - the governor
“There was a shelling. I travel around the city and the Belgorod region. I'll be sure to share the results. According to preliminary data, there are two wounded,” Gladkov said.
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/29914
AD working hard in Belgorod this morning.
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/29910?single
Belgorod AD active againg this morning
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/29907
Now having most of your projectiles intercepted and wounding 2 people is synonymous with a successful attack
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Which can only suggest active homing heads, and that the control of the engagement has been handed over to an airborne observer. A world first. wrote:
Officially, the new missiles for the S-300V4 do not have an active warhead, which is interesting.
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Which could mean that an A-50U was used to "paint" the target for the missile.
Belogord airport is a completely civilan target. And closed currently because of the restrictions coming with the SMO?
Killing 90%+ of the incoming missiles is a success for the air defence even when the rest of them make it to the target area. This is the difference between a completely destroyed and a slightly damaged building. Or a handful of dead and wounded soldiers/civilans and scores of dead.
Belogord airport is a completely civilan target. And closed currently because of the restrictions coming with the SMO?
Killing 90%+ of the incoming missiles is a success for the air defence even when the rest of them make it to the target area. This is the difference between a completely destroyed and a slightly damaged building. Or a handful of dead and wounded soldiers/civilans and scores of dead.
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https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/russian-s300v4-range-record-400km-40n6
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/ukraine-su27s-vs-russia-300v4
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/russia-s-s-400-missile-system-gains-first-blood-in-ukraine-su-27-shot-down-150km-away-reports
Confirmed by US Military Watch magazine.. Don't forget, that Russia have OTH radars, which cover most of Europe. OTH radars see jets flying in low altitude..
In response to air strikes by Ukrainian Air Force fighters on targets in Russia’s Belgorod region, air defence systems deployed to defend the area have reportedly broken a world record for the longest ranged surface to air kills. A Ukrainian Su-27 and Su-24 aircraft, which are thought to be some of the last of these relatively scarce and heavyweight classes operational after over six months of war, were responsible for the strikes on Russian targets and benefit from significantly longer ranges and higher weapons payloads than Ukraine’s drones and more widely used lighter MiG-29 fighters. Both moved in at a very low altitudes, rising to fire rocket pods and again descending as part of a flight pattern referred to locally as “jumping,” before being fired on by Russian surface to air missile batteries - specifically an S-300V4 system. The missile system neutralised both aircraft at extreme ranges of 217km, surpassing the 150km range kill previously recorded by a Russian S-400 system against a Ukrainian Su-27 over Kiev in March, with this achieved despite the Su-27’s high manoeuvrability and impressive flight performance designed to allow it to effectively evade standoff missile attacks.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/ukraine-su27s-vs-russia-300v4
The Su-27 strike into Russian territory followed shelling of Russian population centres near its Ukrainian borders. The Flanker moved in at a very low altitude, but was engaged by Russian air defences with an S-300V4 system credited with shooting it down. The Flanker and an accompanying Ukrainian Air Force Su-24MR strike fighter were reportedly shot down at a 217km range - representing one of the longest ranged surface to air kills on record. The age of the Ukrainian jets’ electronic warfare systems was likely a significant factor in guaranteeing they would be vulnerable when engaging 21st century air defence systems, with the S-300V4 being one of the most advanced in the Russian arsenal and entering service in the 2010s even more recently than the more well known S-400 system.
The S-300V4 deploys two kinds of missiles capable of engaging targets at ranges of over 200km, including the 48N6DM with a 250km engagement range and the 40N6 with a 400km engagement range, both of which travel at speeds well over Mach 10 and can intercept hypersonic targets. The surface to air kills surpass the 150km range kill by a Belarus-based S-400 against a Su-27 over Kiev reported in March. The fact that Su-27s are still flying represents a signifiant failure in Russia’s ability to destroy Ukrainian airfields and logistics, although the fact that fighters have consistently taken heavy losses once airborne highlights Russia’s vast superiority in surface to air and air to air capabilities.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/russia-s-s-400-missile-system-gains-first-blood-in-ukraine-su-27-shot-down-150km-away-reports
Russia’s S-400 long range air defence system has reportedly seen its first combat and gained its first kill during the country’s military intervention in Ukraine, engaging and neutralising a Ukrainian Air Force Su-27 fighter near the country’s capital Kiev according to a number of reports. The shootdown reportedly took place on February 25, a day after Russian military operations in Ukraine began, when the Ukrainian Air Force had yet to suffer more serious losses. The S-400 was reportedly not deployed to Ukrainian soil, but engaged and neutralised its target from the territory of neighbouring Belarus where Russian forces retain a large presence. The fighter was reportedly piloted by Ukrainian Air Force Colonel Oleksandr Oksanchenko, a display pilot well known in the West for his airshow performances, who was posthumously granted the title of 'Hero of Ukraine' by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. Oksanchenko had trained in the Soviet era, but flew in wartime despite his senior age of 53 due to a shortage of trained pilots in Ukraine.
Confirmed by US Military Watch magazine.. Don't forget, that Russia have OTH radars, which cover most of Europe. OTH radars see jets flying in low altitude..
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a signifiant failure in Russia’s ability to destroy Ukrainian airfields and logistics
You can´t "destroy" an airfield (at least with conventional weapons), you can only damage it. 404 is corrupt as a country can get but it´s no Iraq. Iraq couldn´t repair stuff, 404 can (NATO paying for it). In the end SAM´s are much cheaper then 500+ bombing runs every 30 days.
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Hole wrote:a signifiant failure in Russia’s ability to destroy Ukrainian airfields and logistics
You can´t "destroy" an airfield (at least with conventional weapons), you can only damage it. 404 is corrupt as a country can get but it´s no Iraq. Iraq couldn´t repair stuff, 404 can (NATO paying for it). In the end SAM´s are much cheaper then 500+ bombing runs every 30 days.
You can destroy hangars and planes on the airfield. Runway can be fixed. Airplanes hit by 500kg bombs not really.
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You can destroy hangars and planes on the airfield. Runway can be fixed. Airplanes hit by 500kg bombs not really.
Shooting them down when they get airborne means taking out the aircraft and the pilot and crew.
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Isos wrote:
You can destroy hangars and planes on the airfield. Runway can be fixed. Airplanes hit by 500kg bombs not really.
If they wanted they could use Iskanders or Kalibrs but you are the only one who believes those rockets are not accurate enough to take out hangars and are just used to hit the runway.
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GarryB wrote:You can destroy hangars and planes on the airfield. Runway can be fixed. Airplanes hit by 500kg bombs not really.
Shooting them down when they get airborne means taking out the aircraft and the pilot and crew.
And it is the pilot who really matters.
Even in the WWII, when facing total defeat and fighting for physical survival, the Soviets trained the fighter pilots for 9 weeks. An absolute minimum that can't be lowered, because that would mean just a waste of resources.
Ukrs don't have them anymore.
Tons of reports that the planes are being piloted by the cadets.
This guy who became famous lately had a nickname "Grandpa".
He was like 60+.
The other one pumped as a replacement for Kievski Prizrak, claimed to shoot down more drones in a single sortie than the MiG carries missiles, is like 20...
Russkie really has blended them white. Soon there will be no propaganda and deny strategy an option ...
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Werewolf wrote:Isos wrote:
You can destroy hangars and planes on the airfield. Runway can be fixed. Airplanes hit by 500kg bombs not really.
If they wanted they could use Iskanders or Kalibrs but you are the only one who believes those rockets are not accurate enough to take out hangars and are just used to hit the runway.
They already used iskander against an airbase and it missed. I showed you the picture. Reality isn't an opinion.
I never said Kalibr isn't precise.
You are getting as dumb as the other two.
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GarryB wrote:You can destroy hangars and planes on the airfield. Runway can be fixed. Airplanes hit by 500kg bombs not really.
Shooting them down when they get airborne means taking out the aircraft and the pilot and crew.
Yes it is also harder and you let them operate. The sooner you destroy them the better it is.
It's not WW2 anymore. Replacing lost aircraft is not easy. The pilots will be useless if they don't have planes.
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Isos wrote:Werewolf wrote:Isos wrote:
You can destroy hangars and planes on the airfield. Runway can be fixed. Airplanes hit by 500kg bombs not really.
If they wanted they could use Iskanders or Kalibrs but you are the only one who believes those rockets are not accurate enough to take out hangars and are just used to hit the runway.
They already used iskander against an airbase and it missed. I showed you the picture. Reality isn't an opinion.
I never said Kalibr isn't precise.
You are getting as dumb as the other two.
What was the source of that pic, btw? Also, I understand getting angry on these forums I lose my temper too. That said chill out homie. We are comrades here.
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Coming back to air defence. What is rarely mentioned is the fact that russain SHORAD systems like Pantsir and Tor are shooting down ballistic missiles. Easily. The only western system that is capable of doing that is THAAD which costs a fortune.
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Hole wrote:Coming back to air defence. What is rarely mentioned is the fact that russain SHORAD systems like Pantsir and Tor are shooting down ballistic missiles. Easily. The only western system that is capable of doing that is THAAD which costs a fortune.
Which missile ? They are rockets. They don't have the same speed as ballistic missiles.
If the speed is bellow mach 2 then most radar guided system should be able to destroy them if they can track them with their radars.
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Hole wrote:Coming back to air defence. What is rarely mentioned is the fact that russain SHORAD systems like Pantsir and Tor are shooting down ballistic missiles. Easily. The only western system that is capable of doing that is THAAD which costs a fortune.
Hm.
Hawk was able to intercept Luna type of missiles, yet at the rather pathetic engagement envelope.
I suppose that Aster has some ABM potential.
But obviously it is much higher layer of defence, and obviously the shorter ranged pieces that NATO has can do shit with even Tochka.
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Aster doesn't have abm capability. Unless it's a dumb slow targets like a rocket that does't fall vertically.
They are developing a new block2 missile for such role.
They are developing a new block2 missile for such role.
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Isos wrote:
They already used iskander against an airbase and it missed. I showed you the picture. Reality isn't an opinion.
I never said Kalibr isn't precise.
You are getting as dumb as the other two.
It is only you that claims Russia used Iskanders to hit a runway and missed half dozen times. You still haven't provided the source and facts where Russia officially stated it was Iskander that was used on a runway. At least have debris from Iskander on that runway to proof it.
It makes Zero sense to use Iskander on a fucking paved road. You use cluster ammunition either to create thousands of little pot holes (little to no useful) or old Soviet KGMU submunition with delayed explosion. Handgrenate shaped balls with fins that can lay around for weeks before they explode. If you have hundreds or thousands lying around all active, nobody would dare to move them by hand. Means at least one or two weeks runways are unoperatable.
The shit that you don't get is, nobody of the post soviet countries needs runways whatsoever. Where do you genius think they are starting their jets from?
They can be started from any surface that is flat and long enough. Grass, dirt roads, highways, offroads. It doesn't matter for Su-25 or Mig-29 what they start from. The Su-27 is not a F14/15/16/18/22 Diva who needs a wiped and waxed floor to start from.
Attacking runways has zero value as long as their are not aircrafts parked. You are the only one who is either lying or falling for online twatter propaganda.
Su-25 has been landed and started just from fucking grass.
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Su-25 has been landed and started just from fucking grass.
An-22 and 26 were either, so it must not be a big deal
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I claim nothing. There is a fucking satellite image that shows they attacked an airvase and missed.
If you think that is a fake, good.
Attacking airvase has its value. Just look how ukrainian manage to destroy su-30 at a russian airbase.
Look another attack destroyed half a dozen valuable russian aircraft.
Meanwhile russian missed by more than 50m. There is at least 11 aircraft in the open that survived :
Is more clear with the pictures dumbass or do you need a drawing ? I just proved with pictures that you are totally wrong and you keep making up claims and situations that are dumb as they happen. What happens and really happened is in those pictures. If they don't need runways why are they using those airfield where they lost as much aircraft as in the air in Ukraine ?
Your dumb ideas are not the reality. No one cares about your thoughts.
If you think that is a fake, good.
Attacking airvase has its value. Just look how ukrainian manage to destroy su-30 at a russian airbase.
Look another attack destroyed half a dozen valuable russian aircraft.
Meanwhile russian missed by more than 50m. There is at least 11 aircraft in the open that survived :
Is more clear with the pictures dumbass or do you need a drawing ? I just proved with pictures that you are totally wrong and you keep making up claims and situations that are dumb as they happen. What happens and really happened is in those pictures. If they don't need runways why are they using those airfield where they lost as much aircraft as in the air in Ukraine ?
Your dumb ideas are not the reality. No one cares about your thoughts.
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Does anyone know how many S-300V and S-300V4 complexes or launchers Russia currently has? They provided a lot of information about the quantities of S-400 delivered, but there is little information about the S-300V4?
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Arrow wrote:Does anyone know how many S-300V and S-300V4 complexes or launchers Russia currently has? They provided a lot of information about the quantities of S-400 delivered, but there is little information about the S-300V4?
Remember reading when the 300V4 was just getting off the ground that 120 were being ordered but have not seen anything since. There are 4 brigades and 1 regiment of 300V and V4's.
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Isos wrote:I claim nothing. There is a fucking satellite image that shows they attacked an airvase and missed.
If you think that is a fake, good.
Attacking airvase has its value. Just look how ukrainian manage to destroy su-30 at a russian airbase.
Look another attack destroyed half a dozen valuable russian aircraft.
Meanwhile russian missed by more than 50m. There is at least 11 aircraft in the open that survived :
Is more clear with the pictures dumbass or do you need a drawing ? I just proved with pictures that you are totally wrong and you keep making up claims and situations that are dumb as they happen. What happens and really happened is in those pictures. If they don't need runways why are they using those airfield where they lost as much aircraft as in the air in Ukraine ?
Your dumb ideas are not the reality. No one cares about your thoughts.
You're arguing with cultists ,
They will tell you it doesn't matter, that it only happened 5 or 6 times
And many more su30s and tu22m3 are there so not to worry dude
No need to disperse, no need for hangars, it's all fine
These cheerleading retards are using the same logic to justify su57 being based outside
When and if Ukros score a hit on them, theyl keep justifying their incompetence
And il just keep laughing at them
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Missiles miss from time to time. Iskander is very accurate but not perfect. We seen this with plenty of missiles. Isos is right on this and I'm not sure why it's being debated. Iskander missed some of its targets.
BTW, post was from last year. Why bring it up now?
BTW, post was from last year. Why bring it up now?
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