Nazism discussion inc the Holocaust

I've seen some horrific videos. Some showing supposedly prepared chemical weapons. Others their supposed use. What are you guys hearing?

WMD? Gas was difficult to use in WWI ,  the wind changed direction frequently . Saddam was given the precursor to make Gas , by Germans through Singapore to use against Iran . Since Iran was happier to see troops wasted by Gas , than to retaliate in kind . Hitler refused to use Gas in WWII , against troops ( used them against Jews ) since he saw the horrors of Gas himself in WWI . Saddam did not use Gas against the Americans , since he knew , they would retaliate . The ISIS was given precursors by West to make Gas , these arrived through Turkey borders . The MSM did not report this , until " Assad" used Gas allegedly ! Ukraine troops are hardly equipped to use Gas . Russia is better protected . Their Tanks can have NBC protection , just in case the wind "changed"  direction .

So if the ukraine regime is using chemical weapons against Russians in the Donbass, they are doing something that even their hero Hitler didn't want to use in warfare.

billybatts wrote:So if the ukraine regime is using chemical weapons against Russians in the Donbass, they are doing something that even their hero Hitler didn't want to use in warfare.

I find it vexing that those who recognise the truth of this statement (Nazis invented Sarin but refused to use CW in WW2, despite facing national extinction by 1944) will still fall into line and accept the establishment narratives that Nazis operated "gas chambers" and killed 6M European jews because of their ethnicity.  FFS y'all, we are seeing on a daily basis the degree to which (Western) elites will lie and cheat to get what they want, yet people still choose to turn their brains off and believe this unmitigated BS without a shadow of doubt?

Name just ONE case of an authentic "gas chamber" being examined and documented post WW2.  Just... fcking... one.   Auschwitz I "chamber" was a tourist exhibit built by the Soviets from a buiding repurposed by the nazis as a bomb shelter, while Dachau was the US Disneyland version.  Heck, the murkans even passed off the authentic fumigation cupboards used to delouse prisoners clothing as having homicidal uses, despite their obvious design features that debunked ths nonsense.  Auschwitz II Birkenau fcailities were simply crematoria, built to handle the anticipated death toll in the event that typhus got into the camp. Demolished by the Soviets after the camp was liberated so that they could "reinvent" the reality of the facilities.   All of these "gas chambers" are fake as fck.  Heck, Dachau even went as far as having shower heads inserted into the ceiling but connected to nothing...  a kind of botched amalgam of the gas chamber hoax with the (factual) anti-typhus hyiene regime.  The Reinhard camps like Treblinka were slave labour facilities designed to strip Poland of its lumber using Jewish forced labour. No physical evidence of the alleged extermination facilities has ever been found, despite the official insistance to the contrary.  Train lines to the camps were built to extract the dressed lumber cut by the Jewish workmen or "Sonderkommados" who were all lumberjacks, yet the holocaust narrative insists on ignoring this and floating the nonsense that the Nazis invested huge resources to cut railways into the Polish forests solely to send jewish civilians to their deaths in makeshift gas chambers (using exhaust from captured Russian tank engines using valuable diesel fuel), only to be buried, then dug up, then burnt in vast wood-fuelled pyres, then their remains crushed into powder, mixed with dirt and then buried in pits...  all this while the Soviets were kicking the snot out of Army Group Center and rolling back the Wermacht back to the gates of Berlin. Ya gotta be a fcking retard to accept this BS at face value...

Nazis were scum and fully deserved to crushed and reconcilled to the shitcan of human history, and they committed many crimes (the underground V2 factories using slave labour and arbitrary executions were an abomination), but just because this was true doesn't mean that every allegation made against them was true.  The fake narratives were trotted by both West and East as part of a campaign to demoralise the German population and eradicate any lingering suport for the Nazi legacy (and prevent public support for the feared "insurgency" that never materialised).

To Firebird


Where did you get the right to play judge every time someone writes about Nazism ?
And your constant defense of communism and secret glorification of antichrists Lenin and Stalin is extremely irritating to me - extremely !
Bro, Lenin and Stalin killed almost more Russians than the Nazis through the Civil War, through famine and camps, and through their wrong decisions.
IT APPEARS THAT THE WHOLE WORLD SEES THAT THE RED ANTICHRISTS WERE BROUGHT TO RUSSIA TO BREAK THE RUSSIAN STATE and Russian identity, BUT SOME RUSSIANS DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT EVEN NOW..

And your constant defense of communism and secret glorification of antichrists Lenin and Stalin is extremely irritating to me - extremely !

I don't know about Firebird, but for me I openly glorify Lenin and Stalin.

There is no secret here. Hundreds of Millions of people from the oppressed working class openly announce there sympathy and admiration for Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Stalin. Deal with it.

May be Jesus Christs would be a staunch communist to if he lived in this century, too, who knows ?

Bro, Lenin and Stalin killed almost more Russians than the Nazis through the Civil War, through famine and camps, and through their wrong decisions.

Russian people died protecting their homeland from the Tsarist compradors funded and support by foreign powers in a bid to destroy Soviet Russia and install a puppet state obedient to the capitalist world.

Millions of people would have been survived if only your Tsarist fellow had stopped acting like a foreign agent and accepted their fate.

And by the way total casualties of the Civil War both sides were maximum 12 mil. in more than 4yrs, while Soviet people murdered by the Nazi criminals were 27 mil. in less than 4 yr. Get your number right.

IT APPEARS THAT THE WHOLE WORLD SEES THAT THE RED ANTICHRISTS WERE BROUGHT TO RUSSIA TO BREAK THE RUSSIAN STATE and Russian identity, BUT SOME RUSSIANS DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT EVEN NOW...

I don't.

Vietnameses don't.

Chineses don't.

Many others don't.

During the period of Soviet Union we know that our comrades were mostly from Russia, most of them were Russians, they spoke Russian and behaved in a Russian way. Nobody saw any loss in Russian identity. On the other hand Russian culture began to have lasting impact in Vietnamese minds as a nation of honest and kind people, regardless of the bombardment from the toxic mainstream culture of capitalism.

Do us not belong to your world ?

How big is your tiny world ?

Firebird Today at 4:21 pm
@Podlodka

No, I'm just writing that the Russian people died in the MILLIONS even before the Second World War - what you individual Russians on the forum never write about. I don't want to write about how many more millions died in the camps and from hunger. Because of the antichrist Stalin and his wrong decisions, millions of Russians suffered additionally.

The Russian state has existed since 882, you antichrists...
The SOVIETS did not create today's Russian names, but the Russian people did it. The SOVIETS did not create the borders of today's Russian state and Russian cities - the Russian people did it. And it wasn't the SOVIETS who died for Stalingrad, Petrograd, Moscow and Kursk, it was the RUSSIANS who had to declare themselves as SOVIETS..
Go to church you antichrist, drive that red devil out of you..

To FIRIEBIRD

You are the antichrist to me.
You Russians who piss on the more than 1000-year-old Russian state for the sake of a red heretical freak from the state, because of which your population was decimated and this is still felt today - you are the biggest shame. **** you and the USSR !!
Can you understand once and for all that it wasn't the SOVIETS who died in WWII - it was the Russians who had to declare themselves that way at the time..

Isn't there any other thread for this?

Auschwitz was built with Soviet POW labour and these POWs were the first through the ovens. But this history is deliberately
erased in the west with some New York "experts" going on and on about how there were no Slavs in the death camps.

firebird wrote:Its a shame 18,000 Russians/foreign contractors have died fighting scum the past year.
And we have scum appearing on Russiadefence forum.

I presume your comments are directed at me, so i'll reiterate my central point.

While the Nazis were evil scumbags and committed many war crimes, they are not guilty of everything they have been accused of in the post-war period.  Any sentient lifeform with an intelligence above a pond creature will clearly see that my post was not a "defense of Nazism" but simply pointing out that the physical evidence of "gas chambers" does not match the official narratives.  Many Nazi warcrimes have been well documented, but even more allegations are backed by nothing more than "eye witness" accounts or "studies" performed by the victors.  David Irving got it right, but there are many people who are so deeply and emotionally invested in the complete narrative that they will resist tooth-and-nail any attempt to rigourously examine their beliefs, and will even resort to persecution of historians in order to enforce their control over the message.  Heck, the servile Germans even jail 90 year olds who dare to speak the truth as they personally saw it....

We see the official lies of our establishment all around us as Russia battles to defeat the Banderites and their western backers. We saw the same lies and deceit in Syria, Yemen, Libya, Iraq, Af-Pak.  We accuse the Chinese of "Uighur genocide" and maintain a straight face despite the absurdity of the claims.  It must take a supreme effort of will for True Belivers to continue to accept the full narrative of the gas chambers despite the complete lack of physical evidence...  

Tone down your faked moral indignation. Those of us with critical thinking skills who don't reflexively swallow every lie given to us have every right to question those things that don't stand up to scrutiny.

umcvulcan wrote:Also, the Holocaust did happen. The video and photographic evidence is overwhelming. I will not say anymore or reply to anything else on this subject.

Define "Holocaust". I've never denied that nazis persecuted the Jews, threw million into camps, used them as slave labour in wartime industries, stole their homes and property, subjected them to outrageous humiliations, executed those who fougt back or actively resisted. I simply say that gas chambers are a fabrication, and that all "evidence" for them is fabricated, little more than false witness and baseless assertions that are uncritically received and accepted at face value.

Don't deny there is masses of video and photographic material, but the issue is that while much of it is shocking, the context is open for debate. When, where, why, context, chronology... these things are never addressed, and a narrative is read out while the audience looks on shocked, a narrative designed to tell the audience what to think. I saw this stuff as a kid and belived it because it was on TV... Now I'm an adult and I can see the propaganda content as clear as day...

I don't mean to insult your beliefs, but I don't believe that the best way to bury a hateful and failed ideology like Nazism is to adopt the same practises of institutional lies and persecution of rebellious truth tellers. What I say may be controversial, but that certainly is no crime, and if I am factually in error, then a factual rebuttal is the appropriate response.

ALAMO wrote:Have you ever been to any Germany-made camp?

I have been in Auschwitz, Trebinka, Sobibor, Majdanek, Buchenwald and Dachau.

Sure I know it is a rhetorical question but impresses me.

Sure, but what did you see? A bunch of buildings and static exhibits of pictures and artifacts. Piles of clothes, boots, extracted gold fillings, photos of naked women all huddling as they go to the showers, photos of crematoria, photos of Jewish prisoners working the armament factories in the Auschwitz industrial area? Emaciated corpses of victims at Belsen, dead from Typhus and malnutriton. Yes, these things were real, but does it really mean that the central narrative of industrial scale extermination of 6M Jews was a factual reality?

My point is that the evidence of real Nazi atrocities has been assembled into a permanent propaganda show to keep the Germans compliant and ashamed, unable to resist US/UK/French (and now israeli) pressure. Serious historians who dare to examine physical primary evidence don't believe the narratives. Researchers who go to the Reinhold camps to "prove" the narrative always come away dissapointed with meager findings which are quickly forgotten. One doesn't need to be a genius (or a hardcore Nazi apologist) to realise that the 6M narrative is a propaganda construct.

Anyway, we are totally OT. I'm going to enjoy the latest smackdown of the accursed Banderite trash and savour the mounting panic of their Western backers.

The Germans were Nazi scum and there is no dispute about that.
Germans were shit that wanted to create lebensraum on the territory of Russia and to kill all "untermenschen" on the territory of that same Russia.
However, it is necessary to call things by their right name and write that the majority of those killed in that area were Orthodox Christians and not some fictional Soviet nation.




I AM AN ORTHODOX who openly writes that the goal of the West is to destroy Russia precisely because it is an ORTHODOX country and because it does not want to obey the Anglo-Saxons. Another reason is Russian resources, because the colonial parasites do not know any other way than they did in the past centuries. And then this red garbage appears that defends Lenin, that red stench for which the Russians are still at war.
For me, the victory in the Great Patriotic War is the victory of the Russian people, the unfortunate Orthodox people whose identity the West sought to destroy..
And you atheists and heirs of communists will never be able to understand that because you are mostly liberal shit who would sell FAITH for one dinner..

I'll make a comment on the camps befor Garry sends it all away.

There is a physical evidence problem, Zyclon-B stains concrete pink, there is little if any such concrete. At Auschwitz the very efficient Germans apparently built locations of mass gas poisoning with doors that opened inwards!

Dad took us to Dachau in 1959. It was pretty much unchanged since 1945 apart from graffiti and all the huts, still in use, housing refugees.

Podlodka77 wrote:The Germans were Nazi scum and there is no dispute about that.
Germans were shit that wanted to create lebensraum on the territory of Russia and to kill all "untermenschen" on the territory of that same Russia.
However, it is necessary to call things by their right name and write that the majority of those killed in that area were Orthodox Christians and not some fictional Soviet nation.

I think that you are correct in this. I have no doubt that the Nazis coveted Russias lands as lebensraum but its people were considered expendable, fit to be either enslaved as a disenfrancised serf class working for their Aryan overlords, or else killed off to make space for German colonists. While the (original) Nazis are long gone, their ideological descendents are once again active and are shamefully receiving full support by those Western elites for whom the nazi expansionist supremacist mindset was long ago adopted and perfected.

BTW the activities of the Einsatzgruppen are IMHO one of the true & documented examples of deliberate genocide by nazi forces that is supported by primary evidence (ie following behind the Wermacht advance and targetting the local communists for extermination). The genocidal nature of these war crimes can't reasonably be challenged.

ALAMO wrote:Sure, but what did you see?

Not much.
I couldn't find my family members' stuff who died in Auschwitz and Majdanek.
Mine and my wife's.
All was closed, so I couldn't dig into it.
The piles of glasses, kids toys.

Yes, people died in those camps, people who didn't deserve their fate in any way. Sorry for your losses, and if you're offended by my postings then I sincerly apologise for causing such hurt. Again, the nazis were scum and the world is better off for them being reduced to a stain under our boots.