Argentina Military: News

Argentina is very reluctant to buy Russian or Chinese weapons.
This is what should be done, to get out of the orbit of Western arms purchases (France, USA, Israel).
A few years ago, several Super Etendard Modernisé were bought that supposedly came with spare parts in order to have several in flight (using our cells that were with less use).
We are still waiting for you to fly.
And to top it all, it is trying to buy new parts.
To be that what came is not enough for a plane to fly.

Bit of a shame really because Russian weapons seem to be rather good value for money.

Argentina could buy MiG-29Ms... the west is terribly biased against that aircraft and it is relatively cheap to buy and to operate and with no strings attached.

More importantly it is able to be upgraded to MiG-35 level with no fuss, which would enable it to use bigger longer ranged missiles like the RVV-BD.

But I am biased.

The current model of Kh-35 has a flight range of about 250km and seems to be rather good... together with some new model Kh-31s in the anti ship versions with a similar range I don't think the Royal Navy would be up to it.

Maybe a sea bed based sonar array and some Be-200 based planes that you can use during summer to fight forest fires and also the rest of the time have anti sub attack gear... perhaps even design it so it can land on the sea surface and use a dipping sonar to find submarines... depth charges and anti sub torpedos in the weapons bay...

If you force them to spend a lot more on their navy then their problems will only increase and the current lot in power are clearly inept... in the middle of a Covid epidemic they spend on Trident?

With Brexit being final they are going to have to look to their former commonwealth which means they are going to need to spend on their navy anyway, but there are a few things Argentina could buy that would make things very interesting without breaking the bank.

A new version of the Ka-226T could be developed with more powerful engines and modified rotor blades that could make it excellent for hot and high operations which would make it very useful in lots of places in central and south America ...a contract to make and service them in Argentina could make some good money...

GarryB wrote:Bit of a shame really because Russian weapons seem to be rather good value for money.

Argentina could buy MiG-29Ms... the west is terribly biased against that aircraft and it is relatively cheap to buy and to operate and with no strings attached.

More importantly it is able to be upgraded to MiG-35 level with no fuss, which would enable it to use bigger longer ranged missiles like the RVV-BD.

But I am biased.

The current model of Kh-35 has a flight range of about 250km and seems to be rather good... together with some new model Kh-31s in the anti ship versions with a similar range I don't think the Royal Navy would be up to it.

Maybe a sea bed based sonar array and some Be-200 based planes that you can use during summer to fight forest fires and also the rest of the time have anti sub attack gear... perhaps even design it so it can land on the sea surface and use a dipping sonar to find submarines... depth charges and anti sub torpedos in the weapons bay...

If you force them to spend a lot more on their navy then their problems will only increase and the current lot in power are clearly inept... in the middle of a Covid epidemic they spend on Trident?

With Brexit being final they are going to have to look to their former commonwealth which means they are going to need to spend on their navy anyway, but there are a few things Argentina could buy that would make things very interesting without breaking the bank.

A new version of the Ka-226T could be developed with more powerful engines and modified rotor blades that could make it excellent for hot and high operations which would make it very useful in lots of places in central and south America ...a contract to make and service them in Argentina could make some good money...

Discussions in the forums and the media are just hearsay.
There is a large sector (part of the armed forces, supposed fans of weapons, politicians, etc.) that are carried away by the anti-Soviet / Russian weapons propaganda.
Let us remember that the dominant sectors of our country were allies of the Western powers.
If you see the military forums in Argentina, you realize that.
The most ironic thing is that this position continues even after the Malvinas War.
The cause of this lies in the fact that our country is run by culturally colonized people and as long as this does not change, there may be governments more to the left or to the right, but in weapons everything will remain the same.
There is no political will at the moment to buy strategic weapons.
All the talk about what to have is a waste of time.

To see the status of our armed forces here is a recent note.

A group of men tried to enter a Moreno military unit but the guards thwarted the attack



The event occurred this Sunday morning in the VII Air Brigade of the aforementioned town in the Buenos Aires suburbs. The objective would have been the theft of weapons.

A group of people - who so far have not been identified - tried to assault a military base this Sunday in the town of Moreno, province of Buenos Aires. The attack, which was thwarted by local security personnel, occurred yesterday morning and was allegedly aimed at robbing weapons.

The fact is now being investigated by Federal Court No. 3 of Morón. According to the first data of the investigation, at least two men tried to distract the guards of the VII Moreno Air Brigade Military Unit, located on Marchena Street, with explosives, as part of the plan to later enter the detachment's weapons room. .

According to the complaint - filed this Sunday at the Morón 4th Police Station by one of the guards on duty - the attack occurred around five in the morning when a detonation activated the security system of the place. The guard personnel were quickly put on alert, and at that moment, two guards saw two men running away from the lug

Sources of the investigation, however, indicated that there could be more involved. "These individuals fled, they went after them but there were others more," they reported. "It was a distraction and deception movement," they also deduced, taking into account that the suspects tried to enter the weapons room through an emergency door.

Members of said base, where the Argentine Air Force helicopters are located, told Infobae that it was an attempted assault on a room where the weapons that were requested for the security operation of the elections are kept. The Government has not issued on the issue so far, although it was unofficially revealed that there was an attempt to enter the military unit.

After the attack was frustrated, the Military Unit notified the Security Secretaries of the Moreno and José C. Paz municipalities to increase patrols in the area. With the ongoing investigation, no hypothesis is ruled out, including the possibility of internal complicity from the base itself.

Weeks ago, in La Matanza, 67 pistols were stolen, fresh from the Bersa arms factory, which had to be delivered to armories in different parts of the country. The robbery occurred around 9 in the morning after a Mercedes Benz Sprinter truck left the factory located on Magallanes Street with a total of 67 pistols.

Ten blocks later, at the corner of Alvear and May 25, a Chevrolet Corsa intercepted the vehicle. Two armed criminals got out and, after threatening the driver, hijacked the truck and escaped with the arsenal. After moving a kilometer and a half away, they lowered the eight boxes in which the 67 weapons were found and transferred them to the car in which they began the coup.

A few months ago another weapons theft occurred, but within the Immediate Operations Tactical Unit (UTOI) of the Buenos Aires Police in Puente 12. In total, the missing number was 15. Thus, the investigators detained two criminals with criminal records accused of sell on Facebook two of the Bersa Thunder 9mm caliber pistols with RONI kits (adapters to give them the appearance of an assault rifle) that would be part of the missing lot.

Another high-impact attack happened in July of last year. A commando group of three hooded men entered the Communications Reception Plant of the Argentine Naval Prefecture, located at kilometer 24.5 of the Ricchieri Highway, in the Buenos Aires town of Ezeiza and, after reducing to three troops, the criminals fled with weapons, ammunition and bulletproof vests.

https://www.infobae.com/sociedad/policiales/2021/08/30/un-grupo-de-hombres-intento-ingresar-a-una-unidad-militar-de-moreno-pero-los-guardias-frustraron-el-ataque/

Discussions in the forums and the media are just hearsay.
There is a large sector (part of the armed forces, supposed fans of weapons, politicians, etc.) that are carried away by the anti-Soviet / Russian weapons propaganda.
Let us remember that the dominant sectors of our country were allies of the Western powers.
If you see the military forums in Argentina, you realize that.
The most ironic thing is that this position continues even after the Malvinas War.
The cause of this lies in the fact that our country is run by culturally colonized people and as long as this does not change, there may be governments more to the left or to the right, but in weapons everything will remain the same.
There is no political will at the moment to buy strategic weapons.
All the talk about what to have is a waste of time.

Yeah, not just Argentina... in this part of the world countries are pretty closed minded too... instead of buying Hornets the Aussies would have been much better off buying Su-34s to replace the F-111s just as an example, and New Zealand should get rid of our C-130 Hercules transports and buy Il-476s instead... if a Herc is carrying anything like max weight it can barely make it to Australia, and results in having to island hop around the Pacific to get to places because it simply does not have the range to fly direct to most places.

But our leadership wont consider anything else...

Talk of a global community and a multipolar world is just talk... being a British commonwealth country we could only buy bananas from British aligned countries, and not anyone else... obviously this is not limited to only bananas.

Most of the 20th century wars that were supposed to be about communism were lies... they were in fact about colonialism and the natives of countries taking control back... the west could not support such uprisings because they were the colonial powers or friends of the colonial powers with verbal agreements not to interfere, so of course it had to be the Soviets that supported Cuba and Vietnam and many other countries kicking out their imperial overlords.

Right now Russias navy is coastal and for self protection, but they are building it up and when they get destroyers into production then they will start to look further afield for potential trade partners.

That is not to say they can't sail around the world, but when they do it is not a large group of ships able to have much influence, but with two 40K ton helicopter carriers and the Kuznetsov and two Kirov class cruisers as well as three Slava class cruisers needing to test upgrades and improvements and make sure everything works, they are going to become more global and operate around the world quite a lot more frequently.

Overseas bases will become something they will be looking for, but they wont be an occupying power... just fresh water and fuel and food most of the time.

the criminals fled with weapons, ammunition and bulletproof vests.

So do they know if this is an armed group intending something politically, or just black market weapons and armoured vests quick buck sales?

To arm a private army pistols would be of little use, but for criminals to rob they are ideal as they are small and concealable...

[quote="GarryB"]

Discussions in the forums and the media are just hearsay.


So do they know if this is an armed group intending something politically, or just black market weapons and armoured vests quick buck sales?

To arm a private army pistols would be of little use, but for criminals to rob they are ideal as they are small and concealable...

Just common thieves.
If it were a politically-minded armed group, it would have been successful, as by doing a little intelligence above, it would gain a good deal of knowledge of the base's defenses.
I just put that example, so you can see the state of helplessness and how ridiculous it sounds, when some comment on the purchases of MiG-35 or Su-35 for Argentina.
Moreover, if you look at what that air base is, you can see that it is partly occupied by poor neighborhoods.
What's more, there were times when flights were suspended because people got on the runway and even stones and bottles were thrown at the planes.

Makes sense with their current state of air force. Although these are lastest block 3 aircraft they are costing $55.3mn each.

"ARGENTINA SELECTS PAKISTAN’S THUNDER JET – The Government of Argentina has officially included $664 Million in funding for the purchase of 12 PAC JF-17A Block III fighters from Pakistan in a draft budget for 2022 presented to its Parliament.”

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/argentina-to-purchase-jf-17-thunder-jets-from-pakistan/

With the subject of the supposed purchases of airplanes of Argentina it has been speaking for years.
So I recommend not giving it too much entity.

Isos wrote:Pretty stupid choice at such price. Even pakistani prefere to use f-16 over that piece of crap.

For 40 million they could have bought su-30MK2.

I guess Malvinas will keep being Falklands.

It makes sense in terms that they need aircraft badly. But the cost is too expensive. For a while they were considering su-24.

Eugenio Argentina wrote:With the subject of the supposed purchases of airplanes of Argentina it has been speaking for years.
So I recommend not giving it too much entity.

Does state being presented to parliament so they could easily say no. I think the only way Argentina is going to get aircraft is 12 secondhand aircraft, or 6 new aircraft. The question is do they need aircraft of this type, threats etc, their homegrown aircraft seem to have not produced much. And both where only turboprop and light attack aircraft.

d_taddei2 wrote:

Eugenio Argentina wrote:With the subject of the supposed purchases of airplanes of Argentina it has been speaking for years.
So I recommend not giving it too much entity.

Does state being presented to parliament so they could easily say no. I think the only way Argentina is going to get aircraft is 12 secondhand aircraft, or 6 new aircraft. The question is do they need aircraft of this type, threats etc, their homegrown aircraft seem to have not produced much. And both where only turboprop and light attack aircraft.

You don't really understand what you want to ask.
My criticism is towards the news about these purchases, which have been repeated for years and are only transcended without foundation.
Many, driven by the UK, which is keen on shaking up those ghosts.
With regard to the armament that Argentina needs, there is no doubt that it has to be advanced, since we have a Power occupying part of our territory, and even an important base in the Malvinas Islands.
In addition, the national Military Industry must be promoted.
I always take the example of the Islamic Republic of Iran, which, despite the blockades, has a very good arms industry.

It seems that some are not very informed about the situation in Argentina.
The Frente de Todos (ruling alliance) has just lost the elections.
There are 50% poor.
Inflation so far this year of 40%.
Every day there are protests by thousands of people demanding social assistance.
With the issue of quarantine, people are tired, hundreds of businesses closed.
With this outlook, I don't think this is the right time to "go out and buy" airplanes.

Eugenio Argentina wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:

Eugenio Argentina wrote:With the subject of the supposed purchases of airplanes of Argentina it has been speaking for years.
So I recommend not giving it too much entity.

Does state being presented to parliament so they could easily say no. I think the only way Argentina is going to get aircraft is 12 secondhand aircraft, or 6 new aircraft. The question is do they need aircraft of this type, threats etc, their homegrown aircraft seem to have not produced much. And both where only turboprop and light attack aircraft.

You don't really understand what you want to ask.
My criticism is towards the news about these purchases, which have been repeated for years and are only transcended without foundation.
Many, driven by the UK, which is keen on shaking up those ghosts.
With regard to the armament that Argentina needs, there is no doubt that it has to be advanced, since we have a Power occupying part of our territory, and even an important base in the Malvinas Islands.
In addition, the national Military Industry must be promoted.
I always take the example of the Islamic Republic of Iran, which, despite the blockades, has a very good arms industry.

Maybe you don't understand. I wasn't asking anything. I posted the link and information, as that "information" everyone knows Argentina had been trying to buy aircraft for years but had no money to buy it seems. There homegrown aircraft have barely been produced.

Argentina as I mentioned needs new aircraft. But will it ever get any well I won't hold my breath. And I think Argentina will be needing more than 12 J-17 to take back the Falklands. In fact Argentina will be dreaming if it thinks it will take back the Falklands by force. UK and USA would make sure that never happens.

The UK media drums up nonsense to make itself look powerful and show the nation it has a powerful military (I won't comment on that lol)

I am all for local production of military systems, but am not sure going by the production of local aircraft how well that's going.

Eugenio Argentina wrote:It seems that some are not very informed about the situation in Argentina.
The Frente de Todos (ruling alliance) has just lost the elections.
There are 50% poor.
Inflation so far this year of 40%.
Every day there are protests by thousands of people demanding social assistance.
With the issue of quarantine, people are tired, hundreds of businesses closed.
With this outlook, I don't think this is the right time to "go out and buy" airplanes.

And this is the reason why stories of aircraft purchases have been mentioned over the years and nothing gets bought.

Military purchases such as aircraft should go on the back burner while other more important issues need tackling that I agree.

Desires are one thing and reality is another.
I imagine that the UK neither wanted to "get rid" of India or Hong Kong.
However that happened.

Obviously I am biased, but I would think in the current financial situation in most countries that making your own planes in a batch as small as 12 or in fact anything less than 200 odd does not make sense... you are just going to jack up the price and risk quality issues and the factory you get is not going to be making anything useful like tractors or cars or something later on.

I would say their best deal would be to buy say 50 MiG-29Ms over the next 20 years in batches of 8-12 aircraft at a time... build up the force and trade produce to cover half the value and try for a low interest loan for the rest... but also include in the deal maintenance and support facilities for MiGs and for helicopters so you can perhaps earn money supporting the Russian aircraft of neighbours.

It would also be an opportunity to expand cooperation and trade with both Russia and China... neither of which will demand exclusive access to your market the way western colonial countries tend to do.

Many under estimate the MiG, which is a good thing... the MiG-29M is a modern and capable aircraft with direct upgrade potential to MiG-35 level if you are prepared to spend the money.

It can carry a range of potent anti ship missiles like Kh-35U and Kh-31AD, and with modern AAMs would not be an easy opponent to deal with... even in the cheaper 29M version.

At the core of its design is low operating costs, which is a good thing... but as I said I am biased... it would probably cost less than this Chinese aircraft but you get two of the same engines per aircraft...

With the AESA radar planned for it it is intended to allow the use of the RVV-BD long range AAM which would give it a much better chance against enemy fighters than the Chinese light fighter would have.

The key is to not make it an off the shelf cost purchase... make it a trade deal that is mutual so you can both make money with you selling them products you are good at making and them selling to you in return things they are good at making, but also extend their capacity to support their products with support and maintenance bases in Argentina.

A GLONASS tracking station would also be useful in improving accuracy of that navigation system in your region too.

They could probably sell you some Corvettes that would put British destroyers to shame....

If the US and UK and Australia want to bully China then why not return the favour in the south atlantic... would you like to test drive some submarines?

The Chinese might pay good money to lease a small port in Argentina so they can base a SSN there to sail around and around the Malvinas... probing its defences and just being annoying... but remaining within international laws... like the British didn't in the Crimea...  

Imagine a Checkmate like mini SSN... small and light and modern with a relatively small reactor that can charge the batteries of a SSK in two or three hours that will last for 30 years but can operate under pure nuclear power or batteries or both so it can run silent for a week on batteries, and then start up the reactor where they make a bit more noise but can operate with unlimited endurance under water at SSN speeds and distances, but is smaller and lighter and cheaper than bigger SSNs.... it wont need 5,000km range cruise missiles or super Zircon anti ship missiles... it is a small cheap very capable SSN you could sell to poorer countries that could operate super quiet in a limited small area of water and sink any ship or any carrier group without being noticed and sneak away... maybe even give it a Redut vertical launch system with 12 SAMs like 9M96 with a range of 25km for the short range active radar homing SAMs and 60km for the long range Active radar homing SAMs and 10km for the IIR guided short range self defence SAMs of the 9M100 type of four missiles to a tube... so up to 48 CIWS self defence SAMs against drones and helicopters and MPAs... and perhaps one UKSK launch tube system for up to 8 anti ship missiles to 300km range or anti sub ballistic rockets to 50km range... or just torpedos... quite a potent little sub really but as mention pandoras box has been opened... a nuclear powered plug in system for AIP that generates more energy than hydrogen fuel cells so you can move around at useful speeds instead of creeping around at very low speeds charging your batteries... this could sell in enormous numbers... Iran would love some I am sure... even China would love some...

I repeat again:
We must not waste time making speculations about the weapons that Argentina has to buy.
Or you have to manufacture.
If the "right" governs, it will buy Western.
In other words, old material without offensive power. Nothing to worry the UK.
If the "left" rules: a lot of speech, but in fact, it will not buy Russian or Chinese material either as some think.
It has already been demonstrated during the twelve years of Kirchner governments from 2003 to 2012.
Now, with the terrible crisis that exists, the least thought is about buying weapons.
The only thing that could change this situation is for a true Revolutionary government to rise, with a National Project.

As I was saying, rumors were not to be relied upon.


Different versions closed the acquisition of JF-17 Thunder aircraft. They reported that proposals from the United States, Russia, China, Israel and Korea are being analyzed.

https://www.lavoz.com.ar/politica/el-gobierno-desmiente-compra-de-aviones-caza-chino-paquistanies/

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/22-Sep-2021/argentina-denies-reports-of-buying-jf-17-thunder-jets-from-pakistan

The Ministry of Defense will make an investment amounting to 1,073 million pesos for the purchase of 54 15-ton trucks destined for the Argentine Army, allowing this force to rebuild its historical capacity to transport cargo and troops.

https://www.argentina.gob.ar/noticias/el-ministerio-de-defensa-comprara-54-nuevos-camiones-4x4-para-el-ejercito-argentino-con

It is noteworthy that the money for the purchase of these trucks is almost double that of the figure for the purchase of combat aircraft.
Something strange.

Patrullero Oceánico ARA "Bouchard" (P-51) y Destructor clase MEKO 360H2 ARA "Sarandí" (D-13)





Puerto de Ushuaia en la Patagonia, hace unos días.

With the purchase of 12 aircraft, the Air Force expands its operational capacity throughout the country
This new fleet of TC-12B Huron aircraft will satisfy the national state's passenger and cargo transportation requirements and will increase the supply and air transport capacity between the different military units.



https://www.telam.com.ar/notas/202109/569000-con-la-compra-de-12-aviones-la-fuerza-rea-amplia-su-capacidad-operacional-en-todo-el-pais.html

medo wrote:https://news7f.com/saab-received-an-order-for-rbs-70-ng-from-argentina/

Swedish SAAB confirm a contract for RBS-70NG VSHORAD from Argentine to equip Argentinian army, navy and air force.

Illustrative news, for those who think that Argentina is going to stop depending on Western weapons and buy Russian weapons

It is early days yet.

Now that the west is going to block most trade with Russia then Russia will finally be forced to look to the rest of the world for real trade instead of just token stuff.

Initially most restoftheworld countries will reject better trade relations with Russia because of the consequences the west will start to threaten them with, but over time trade will increase and as you get to learn they are not the sharks you find in the west that want your products but don't want you to develop and grow into anything but a mirror image of them, then you will start to realise Russia and indeed China offer trade without the strings attached... no big companies like Coke and Pepsi coming in and buying up all your fizzy drink companies and bottle production facilities...

Any future problems or hostility with Britain and all those western weapons will no longer be supported and might even stop working... not so with Russian weapons.

Didn't an SA-7 bring down a Harrier in the Falklands conflict?

Its size fuselage mounted jet nozzles making them particularly vulnerable to heat seekers...