Su-30 for Russian Air Force

http://sputniknews.com/world/20160329/1037124484/russia-venezuela-sukhoi-jet.html

In the last video of Su-35 we could see two Su-30M2 in the process of completing. I think those blue 89 and 90 are 18th ans 20th Su-30M2 fighters, which complete the contract for 16 jets. Vietnamese order was completed in February with delivery of the last 2 fighters and considering that Venezuela is now completing negotiations for additional 12 Su-30, there is good possibility, that RuAF order additional Su-30M2 to operate with 36 Su-27SM3, which will be modernized in coming years.

George1 wrote:delivered today?

They are not delivered yet. They are on their way to Belbek, Crimea.

According to this article, deliveries finalized for the 20 Su-30M2. Deployed at Krymsk ( 8 ), Belbek (6), Uglovaya (4) and Dzemgi (2).

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1839328.html

franco wrote:According to this article, deliveries finalized for the 20 Su-30M2. Deployed at Krymsk ( 8 ), Belbek (6), Uglovaya (4) and Dzemgi (2).

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1839328.html

In the last Su-35 video we could see two Su-30M2 in the process of production. Vietnam receive their last two Su-30MK2 in February and Venezuelan order for additional 12 Su-30 is not finalized yet. I think those two in production are not the last two from contract for 16 Su-30M2, which were delivered to Belbek in this days. Do you think RuAF order more Su-30M2 to keep production line open for additional order from Venezuela and maybe from Iran or other customers?

medo wrote:

franco wrote:According to this article, deliveries finalized for the 20 Su-30M2. Deployed at Krymsk ( 8 ), Belbek (6), Uglovaya (4) and Dzemgi (2).

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1839328.html

In the last Su-35 video we could see two Su-30M2 in the process of production. Vietnam receive their last two Su-30MK2 in February and Venezuelan order for additional 12 Su-30 is not finalized yet. I think those two in production are not the last two from contract for 16 Su-30M2, which were delivered to Belbek in this days. Do you think RuAF order more Su-30M2 to keep production line open for additional order from Venezuela and maybe from Iran or other customers?

The last article prior to this one, on the Su-30M2, was that the Plant was producing them (2) without having received an order for them yet. Perhaps anticipating further orders. Considering they are to support almost 200 Su-35S, Su-27SM3 and Su-27SM, more then 20 would be needed IMO.

franco wrote:

medo wrote:

franco wrote:According to this article, deliveries finalized for the 20 Su-30M2. Deployed at Krymsk ( 8 ), Belbek (6), Uglovaya (4) and Dzemgi (2).

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1839328.html

In the last Su-35 video we could see two Su-30M2 in the process of production. Vietnam receive their last two Su-30MK2 in February and Venezuelan order for additional 12 Su-30 is not finalized yet. I think those two in production are not the last two from contract for 16 Su-30M2, which were delivered to Belbek in this days. Do you think RuAF order more Su-30M2 to keep production line open for additional order from Venezuela and maybe from Iran or other customers?

The last article prior to this one, on the Su-30M2, was that the Plant was producing them (2) without having received an order for them yet. Perhaps anticipating further orders. Considering they are to support almost 200 Su-35S, Su-27SM3 and Su-27SM, more then 20 would be needed IMO.

Or maybe there is an order, but not yet known in public.

@Franco and Medo

Thanks guys!

Su-30SM with AKU-170 at Domna. So it seems like the R-77-1 found it's way to Su-30SM units too.

http://www.arms-expo.ru/photo/fotoreportazh/istrebiteli-su-30sm-v-zabaykale-treniruyutsya-blizhnemu-vozdushnomu-boyu/

sepheronx wrote: Hopefully information is more true this time.

Another idea, is that I am thinking of wanting to work on an Infographic of our own for various equipment.  Issue I think most here agree with is that most infographics that are made are quite basic information and doesn't necessarily tell the truth or the whole story.  If anyone interested, please state so.

good idea imho. Like speed in Ma vs km/h on different heights as Ma also depends on altitude...

sepheronx wrote:Another Su-30SM for RuAF

Hopefully information is more true this time.

Another idea, is that I am thinking of wanting to work on an Infographic of our own for various equipment.  Issue I think most here agree with is that most infographics that are made are quite basic information and doesn't necessarily tell the truth or the whole story.  If anyone interested, please state so.

The F-22's production stopped at 187 in 2008 -instead of around 700 as planned at the beginning-, the SU-50's production is frozen to 10 until 2020 if not more. Russia continues to develop its SU-30's fleet, and increase its Armata's tank series.
With its powerful radar, its IRST, the SU-30 is able to nullify all F-22's assets. Russia does not need any other aircraft, except and maybe the SU-35 -but maintenance is harder on this last aircraft-.
It leads me to think that SU-30 is equivalent if not better than any other US aircraft.

http://sputniknews.com/military/20160608/1040989138/su30sm-capabilities-targeting-syria.html

Interesting article about Su-30SM in Syria although not really logical. Su-30SM have TV and laser designating channel in IRST to engage ground targets, but it doesn't have enough negative elevation to designate for others, specially when Su-34 and Su-24M2 could do that job better with their EO targeting complexes and Su-35 could do that job for itself. Most probably Su-30SM work as a command plane, where WSO in back seat coordinate the work of the group and deliver targets to other planes in the group through data link network. But again, Su-34 could do this job as well. This article could only have a sense if Su-30SM in Syria are equipped with new targeting pods and when it do air protection of the group, WSO search for targets with targeting pod and deliver targets to other planes in the group. I don't think, they need Su-30SM as a mediator for delivering targets detected by UAVs.

Anyway, Su-30SM equipped with Khibiny ECM pods and targeting pod will be really capable fighter and fighter-bomber, specially when work networked with others in group.

Armed forces until the end of 2018 will receive 55 fighter su-30CM

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160615/1447882995.html#ixzz4BdWhmLNt

MOSCOW, 15 Nov — RIA Novosti. Air and space forces (VKS) and naval aviation of the Russian Navy will receive up to the end of 2018 55 heavy multi-role fighters su-30CM, said RIA Novosti on Wednesday, Director, production Irkutsk aviation plant (Irkut Corporation) Sergei Yamanov.


The su-30SM manufactured at the Irkutsk aviation plant under contracts with the defense Ministry, and is available in videoconferencing in 2012, and naval aviation in 2014. At the moment, delivered to the troops 61 su-30CM.
"Until the end of 2018 in the interests of the Navy and videoconferencing at the Irkutsk aviation plant will be manufactured and delivered 55 aircraft. Will total 116 su-30CM – 88 for videoconferencing and 28 for the Navy," said Yamana.
Heavy fighters su-30CM one of the first net profit in 2015 in Syria and are used for its intended purpose — as a fighter and as an aircraft target designation for attack aircraft and bombers.

medo wrote: Interesting article about Su-30SM in Syria although not really logical.  

testing in unusual scenarios and marketing to boost sales as proven in real combat?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

medo wrote:  Interesting article about Su-30SM in Syria although not really logical.  

testing in unusual scenarios and marketing to boost sales as proven in real combat?

Or to make sure that Erdogan will not make any crazy move similar to Su-24 shotdown; Su-30SM first and foremost is a fighter and Turkish fighters have to think twice before touching it.

Personally I would like to see some Vietnamese Su-30SM equivalents.

higurashihougi wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

medo wrote:  Interesting article about Su-30SM in Syria although not really logical.  

testing in unusual scenarios and marketing to boost sales as proven in real combat?

Or to make sure that Erdogan will not make any crazy move similar to Su-24 shotdown; Su-30SM first and foremost is a fighter and Turkish fighters have to think twice before touching it.

Personally I would like to see some Vietnamese Su-30SM equivalents.

They could waste one more if the they wanted, maybe they will need to plan it more thoroughly but there's hardly anything that makes the Su-30SM untouchable from Turkey's arsenal. It's just that the response will be their air bases getting politely bombed.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

medo wrote:  Interesting article about Su-30SM in Syria although not really logical.  

testing in unusual scenarios and marketing to boost sales as proven in real combat?

I agree, that RuAF tested Su-30SM capabilities in leading and coordinating attacks on ground targets and with that test its radar ground attack modes, IRST ground attack capabilities and C4ISR data link network to coordinate group and share pictures within the group and with UAVs and command posts in the ground. But to have full capabilities for this work Su-30SM need to be equipped with Khibiny-U ECM pods and with a targeting pod, because IRST is limited with looking downward to observe and designate targets. Targeting pod will be a key element in ground attack capabilities. But in the mean time, before Su-30SM receive targeting pods, Su-34 is better suited for this job.

higurashihougi wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

medo wrote:  Interesting article about Su-30SM in Syria although not really logical.  

testing in unusual scenarios and marketing to boost sales as proven in real combat?

Or to make sure that Erdogan will not make any crazy move similar to Su-24 shotdown; Su-30SM first and foremost is a fighter and Turkish fighters have to think twice before touching it.

Personally I would like to see some Vietnamese Su-30SM equivalents.

on top of currently used Su-30MK2?

MOSCOW, June 15 -. RIA Novosti Air Space Forces (VKS) and naval aviation of the Russian Navy will receive until the end of 2018 another 55 heavy multirole Su-30cm, told RIA Novosti on Wednesday, Production Director of Irkutsk Aviation Plant Sergey Yamani.

Su-30cm are manufactured at the Irkutsk aircraft factory under contract with the Russian Defense Ministry and are available in videoconferencing since 2012, and the Naval Aviation - 2014. At the moment, delivered to the troops 61 Su-30cm.

"Until the end of 2018 in favor of videoconferencing and the Navy at the Irkutsk aircraft plant will be manufactured and delivered 55 more aircraft total number will be 116 Su-30cm -. 88 and 28 for the video conferencing for Naval Aviation Navy" - Yamani said.

Heavy Su-30cm one of the first to arrive in 2015 in Syria and how to apply it for its intended purpose - as a fighter and as a targeting aircraft for ground attack aircraft and bombers.

NOTE: of the 61 presently in service 8 in Naval Aviation and 53 in Air Force. So 55 aircraft to be delivered over the next 3 years.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:on top of currently used Su-30MK2?

Probably, but the luckiest circumstance may be a Su-35s contract.

George1 wrote:

franco wrote:
NOTE: of the 61 presently in service 8 in Naval Aviation and 53 in Air Force. So 55 aircraft to be delivered over the next 3 years.

i have counted 56 in Air Force. That makes 64 in total according to my calculations

I thought so too.

SU-30 with RVV-SD

http://russianplanes.net/id194475

TheArmenian wrote:SU-30 with RVV-SD

http://russianplanes.net/id194475

True. It is really nice to see RuAF Su-30SM armed with R-77-1 and Kh-31 missiles. I wonder, when we will see new Khibiny ECM pods on them as well like on Su-35. And the final item will be targeting pod.