Su-30 for Russian Air Force

AMCXXL wrote:

George1 wrote:Another source also for the new contract

The Russian Defense Ministry will acquire another 36 Su-30SM fighters

 According to Alexei Nikolsky's article "Until the end of the year, the Defense Ministry will purchase at least 36 Su-30SM fighters, which will become one of the largest contracts of the Defense Ministry in 2018" in the Vedomosti newspaper, at the end of 2018, the Russian Defense Ministry may purchase as part of a three-year contract of at least 36 Su-30SM multifunctional fighters for the Air and Space Forces and Aviation of the Navy produced by the Irkutsk Aircraft Plant (IAZ, which is a part of the Irkut Corporation) controlled by the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC). This was reported to "Vedomosti" interlocutor in the aircraft industry and confirmed by a man close to the Ministry of Defense. According to him, the contract value will be about 70 billion rubles. On Tuesday, in an interview with Vedomosti, UAC President Yury Slyusar said that the contract for fighter of this type planned for signing in 2018 "will ensure the loading of the IAZ in the coming years at the level of 12-14 cars per year". In addition, according to Slyusar, the Su-30 has good export prospects: "The aircraft are sold in a large number of countries and, we hope, will be sold more."

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3308751.html

Translators, especially google translator and other similar, are sometimes not the best. A better translation:

"Before the year ends the Ministry of Defence would purchase at least 36 Su-30SM fighters"

МОСКВА, 15 авг — РИА Новости. Объединенная авиастроительная корпорация (ОАК) планирует производить по 12-14 истребителей Су-30СМ в год, новый контракт на поставку этих машин Воздушно-космическим силам будет подписан в этом году, сообщил президент ОАК Юрий Слюсарь.

РИА Новости https://ria.ru/arms/20180815/1526563703.html

Until the end of the year, the Ministry of Defense will purchase at least 36 Su-30SM fighters

At the end of 2018 the Russian Defense Ministry can be purchased as part of a three-year contract at least 36 multi-role fighters Su-30cm for the aerospace and air forces of the Navy production Irkutsk aviation plant (IAP, is a controlled by the United Aircraft Corporation ( OAK) corporation "Irkut"), the interlocutor in the aircraft industry informed Vedomosti and confirmed the person close to the Ministry of Defense. According to him, the contract value will be about 70 billion rubles. On Tuesday, in an interview with Vedomosti, UAC President Yury Slyusar said that the contract for fighter of this type planned for signing in 2018 "will ensure the loading of the IAZ in the coming years at the level of 12-14 cars per year". In addition, according to Slyusar, the Su-30 has good export prospects: "The aircraft are sold in a large number of countries and, we hope, will be sold more."

In total, since 2012, the Ministry of Defense has contracted 116 Su-30SM fighters based on the Su-30MKI fighter developed for India. 88 vehicles were ordered for VKS and 28 for naval aviation of the Navy, and their deliveries under existing contracts would be completed in 2018. In addition to India, such vehicles were also exported to Malaysia, Algeria, Kazakhstan, and in the future, these aircraft can be delivered to Myanmar and Belarus.

In August 2017, Kommersant reported that the Su-30SM production will be almost completed by 2022, after which IAZ will develop the production of passenger airliners МС-21, but to load the plant by 2020, the UAC needs an order for 100 cars, including 50 for export. Taking into account the planned contract with the Defense Ministry this year, as well as possible supplies to Kazakhstan, Myanmar and Belarus, the amount of 100 cars is not recruited, but in general, there may be enough orders to maintain production until 2022, suggests a man close to the Defense Ministry.

LMFS wrote:Great, Su-30s are apparently going to get the AL-41F-1S

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3326515.html

PapaDragon wrote:

LMFS wrote:Great, Su-30s are apparently going to get the AL-41F-1S

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3326515.html

This is just the beginning. As time goes by more and more equipment from Su-35 will be moving on to Su-30.

That's the reason why they are ordering so many of them.

PapaDragon wrote:

LMFS wrote:Great, Su-30s are apparently going to get the AL-41F-1S

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3326515.html

This is just the beginning. As time goes by more and more equipment from Su-35 will be moving on to Su-30.

That's the reason why they are ordering so many of them.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

LMFS wrote:Great, Su-30s are apparently going to get the AL-41F-1S

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3326515.html

This is just the beginning. As time goes by more and more equipment from Su-35 will be moving on to Su-30.

That's the reason why they are ordering so many of them.

then they move second pilot seat and both fighters will be unified

BTW and no upgrades for Su-34 or this is just a dead end?

LMFS wrote:
@Gunship:
Su-34 is a 46-ton bomb truck

PapaDragon wrote:
They made 100 of Su-34s and are going after another 100. That thing ain't going anywhere.

It will get upgrades just a bit later (works fine as it is now)

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
They made 100 of Su-34s and are going after another 100. That thing ain't going anywhere.

It will get upgrades just a bit later (works fine as it is now)

Do you know how many Sukhois (30,35 and 34) will be ordered in total?

BTW and no upgrades for Su-34 or this is just a dead end?

miketheterrible wrote:Better option would be a Su-35 dual seater to replace Su-30SM. While upgrades to Bars radar makes it nearly same performance as Irbis, it still would create commonality of parts and thus make things much cheaper for maintenance and spares.

PapaDragon wrote:....... Su-30​ will be getting most orders because it became mass-use model (like F-16 is for USA)

Su-34 will also see large production since it's only aircraft in it's class available (tactical bomber) and because it performes beyond all expectations

Isos wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Better option would be a Su-35 dual seater to replace Su-30SM. While upgrades to Bars radar makes it nearly same performance as Irbis, it still would create commonality of parts and thus make things much cheaper for maintenance and spares.

What parts are different ? Electronics and airframes are different but I doubt they need spare parts to replace that as it last for the entire life.

Mechanical parts should be the same inside the sukhoi family.

Both engine looks ok and they are made by the same company so they probably share as much part as possible.

Su-30 is bought because it is cheaper than su-35 and capable enough for 95% of the scenarios russia could face. The other 5% is fighting stealth aircraft, thay's why they buy fewer su-35 and now su-57.

One quick note - Su-30SM is apparently more expensive than Su-35. Su-35 comes out to $27M per aircraft while Su-30 is roughly ~$30M per aircraft.
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miketheterrible wrote:Su-30SM carries some tech from Su-30MKI like the French heads up display to reach commonality in some parts. In end it was pointless and so they are looking to integrate Su-35 hud. Such little things increased prices more than they should.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:....... Su-30​ will be getting most orders because it became mass-use model (like F-16 is for USA)

So far Su-34 is procured in larger numbers then Su-30SM isnt it? does it mean that tactical bomber is more important now for Russia?

Su-34 will also see large production since it's only aircraft in it's class available (tactical bomber) and because it performes beyond all expectations

you mean like bombing US bred & fed  terrorists moderate opposition?

LMFS wrote:...Last Su-30SM contract this year for ca. 70 billion Rubles means 1.94 billion or roughly 28 USD million per plane at the current exchange rate.
MoD ordered 50 Su-35 in 2015 for "more" than RUB 60 billion, that would be 1.2 billion Ruble or (astonishingly) 17 USD million per plane. They were nevertheless sold for more than 100 USD million to China