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Well, actually I got disorientated by the apparently ridiculous procurement price of the Su-35 instead...PapaDragon wrote:Now can you imagine how cheap VKS gets Su-30 for?
PapaDragon wrote:GunshipDemocracy wrote:PapaDragon wrote:....... Su-30 will be getting most orders because it became mass-use model (like F-16 is for USA)
So far Su-34 is procured in larger numbers then Su-30SM isnt it? does it mean that tactical bomber is more important now for Russia?
Su-34 will also see large production since it's only aircraft in it's class available (tactical bomber) and because it performes beyond all expectations
you mean like bombingUS bred & fed terroristsmoderate opposition?
VKS has loads of Su-22 bombers from the 60s that need replacement ASAP and Su-34 is what will replace them. Fighter fleet is much younger on averae (80s and up) so there is les of a pinch there. Hence Su-34 take priority over fighters for now.
As for bombing moderates, that's how the game is played. It's all in the game.
LMFS wrote:...Last Su-30SM contract this year for ca. 70 billion Rubles means 1.94 billion or roughly 28 USD million per plane at the current exchange rate.
MoD ordered 50 Su-35 in 2015 for "more" than RUB 60 billion, that would be 1.2 billion Ruble or (astonishingly) 17 USD million per plane. They were nevertheless sold for more than 100 USD million to China
Now can you imagine how cheap VKS gets Su-30 for?
franco wrote:.......What Su-22 bombers?
You were getting a wee bit too close to the Tu-22 too and fro on the other threadPapaDragon wrote:franco wrote:.......What Su-22 bombers?
Oh crap, it's Su-24 not Su-22
JohninMK wrote:You were getting a wee bit too close to the Tu-22 too and fro on the other threadPapaDragon wrote:franco wrote:.......What Su-22 bombers?
Oh crap, it's Su-24 not Su-22
So far Su-34 is procured in larger numbers then Su-30SM isnt it? does it mean that tactical bomber is more important now for Russia?
VKS has loads ofSu-22Su-24 bombers from the 60s that need replacement ASAP and Su-34 is what will replace them. Fighter fleet is much younger on averae (80s and up) so there is les of a pinch there. Hence Su-34 take priority over fighters for now.
As for bombing moderates, that's how the game is played. It's all in the game.
Now can you imagine how cheap VKS gets Su-30 for?
AMCXXL wrote:New batch of Su-30SM underway
"zveno" with Nº57,58,59,60 already fly
Only two more Su-30SM are necesary for complete 14 IAP at Kursk
The number of Su-30SM received is 90 for the VKS and 112 in total including Navy
George1 wrote:AMCXXL wrote:New batch of Su-30SM underway
"zveno" with Nº57,58,59,60 already fly
Only two more Su-30SM are necesary for complete 14 IAP at Kursk
The number of Su-30SM received is 90 for the VKS and 112 in total including Navy
the known contracts are 88 Su-30SM for Air Force and 28 for Navy. Since we are over 88 for Air Force do we have a new contract and for how many birds?
George1 wrote:anyway since we have 112 delivered in total and we expect another 2 for Russian Air Force by the end of 2018, the total number for Russian Naval Aviation will be 22 (as it is now) or 24 (it remains to know where the last 2 Su-30SM will go)
The 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment in Kursk received four more Su-30SM fighters
The press service of the Western Military District reported on September 10, 2018 that the link of the Su-30SM fighter aircraft entered the combat composition of the aviation regiment of the Western Military District (ZVO), based in the Kursk region. Fighter pilots received four multipurpose fighter aircraft of the "4 ++" generation at the Irkut plant and flew in one day from the airfield in the Irkutsk region.
In 2017, the first air squadron of the Kursk Aviation Regiment was completed. At present, the rearmament of the military unit is almost complete. Fighters MiG-29SMT, which replaced the fighter of a new generation, will continue to carry combat duty to protect the state border along with a new type of aircraft in 2018. The aircraft fleet of the regiment will be fully re-equipped before the end of this year. In total, it will include a couple of Su-30SM fighters.
The bmpd comment. Thus, the Fourteenth Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment of the 105th Mixed Aviation Division of the 6th Leningrad Red Banner Army Air Force and Air Defense of the Western Military District at the airfield Khalino (Kursk) received the next four Su-30SM aircraft builders built for the Russian Civil Aviation Commission in Irkutsk (IAZ) of PJSC Irkut Corporation (part of United Aircraft Corporation) and made a separate transfer from Irkutsk According to known data, the flight was actually made on September 8. The aircraft have red board numbers "57", "58", "59" and "60" (registration numbers RF-81768, RF-81769, RF-81770 and RF-81771 respectively, the alleged serial numbers with 10MK5 1517 for 10MK5 1520). The numbers and inscriptions on the airplanes are plotted according to a new standard scheme for the Russian military aerospace, which looks very ill-considered.
Earlier, in the course of 2018, six new Su-30SM fighters built for the Russian Civil Aviation Commission at the IAZ for the state defense order of 2018 arrived in Kursk in the course of 2018 - on April 27, four fighter jets with red onboard numbers from "51" to " 54 "(serial numbers from 10MK5 1509 to 10MK5 1512), and on July 3 came two more aircraft with red onboard numbers" 55 "and" 56 "(the probable serial numbers are 10MK5 1515 and 10MK5 1516). Until then, in 2017, the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment received 12 Su-30SM fighters built by the IAZ (red side plates from 71 to 82), which allowed rearming the MiG-29SMT with one squadron of the regiment. Now re-equipment is being carried out on the Su-30SM and the second squadron. The total number of Su-30SM in the regiment reached 22 units.
Recall that in total since 2012, for the Ministry of Defense of Russia, 116 Su-30SM aircraft were contracted, of which 88 are intended for the Russian Air Force (VCS), and another 28 for the Russian Navy Aviation. Taking into account the new fighter planes received, in the framework of the signed contracts, in the framework of the signed contracts, so far there have been 90 Su-30SM fighters in total, and for Naval Aviation - 22. Another eight Su-30SM fighters were delivered to Kazakhstan in 2015-2017. Apparently, an additional contract was concluded already within the framework of the adopted State Arms Program for 2018-2027 for the supply of additional military aircraft of the Su-30SM fighter aircraft to the Russian Air Force and the Russian Navy.
Earlier, the former Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Yuri Borisov said that the production program of the IAZ provides for delivery to the Ministry of Defense in 2018, 14 Su-30SM aircraft, including 12 for the aerospace and two for the Naval Aviation. Thus, to date under the program of 2018, the IAZ delivered 10 SU-30SM planes to the military aviation center, and two planes - to the Naval Aviation (the latter two with the blue 76 and 77 onboard numbers arrived on July 1 in the 72nd Aviation base of aviation of the Baltic Fleet to the Chernyakhovsk airfield in the Kaliningrad Region).
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3337538.html[/b]
PapaDragon wrote:
I told you guys, Su-30SM will be Russia's equivalent of F-16: mass produced affordable fighter jet that will be used for everything. With slight difference that it's a massive twin-engine monster.
They really made best of what was once a bad situation. By going with Su-30SM they exploited price drop generated by contract with India for Su-30MKI version.
PapaDragon wrote:
I told you guys, Su-30SM will be Russia's equivalent of F-16: mass produced affordable fighter jet that will be used for everything. With slight difference that it's a massive twin-engine monster.
They really made best of what was once a bad situation. By going with Su-30SM they exploited price drop generated by contract with India for Su-30MKI version.
[/quote]George1 wrote:@AMCXXL bmpd article says that probably a new contract has already been signed for Su-30SMs
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3337538.html[/b]
PapaDragon wrote:
Russia To Order Improved Su-30 'Flankers'
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2018-09-15/russia-order-improved-su-30-flankers
Yes, all Su-30 in Russian service are very recent acquisitions so no need to retrofit them a.t.m.hoom wrote:So new builds with the Al-41F rather than retrofit? If the changes are as big as I'd seen suggested that would make more sense than a massive rebuild/refit program.
marcellogo wrote:
Still, historically the preferred option was to substitute old planes with new ones instead of going into deep modifications like the actual MiG-31BM or MiG-29SMT so I expect that in the future, once the consequences two decades of paralysis would be fixed, they would get back into old practises.
Isos wrote:PapaDragon wrote:
Russia To Order Improved Su-30 'Flankers'
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2018-09-15/russia-order-improved-su-30-flankers
Bars and Irbis have almost the same range. With the new engines, bars could do better than irbis. Su-57 compare to them is a beast of another level with better radar but also better engines.
Anyway if they keep with su-30/35 means that they proved to be very good against F-22/35 and rafales/typhoons in Syria.
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