Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

kvs wrote:http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara7.html

Angara 7 variants: up to 41 tons to LEO.    Anyone trying to claim this can be worked into a heavy lifter is an idiot.

https://web.archive.org/web/20141208172221/http://www.russianspaceweb.com:80/angara100.html

Angara 100:

The Angara-100 was a 2005 proposal by Khrunichev to build a heavy-lift launch vehicle for NASA's Vision for Space Exploration. The rocket would consist of four RD-170-powered boosters, an RD-180-powered core stage, and a cryogenic upper stage using a modified Energia RD-0120 engine, the RD-0122. Its payload capacity to LEO would be in excess of 100 tons.

Wow, that's like the Energia design.   Key element: RD-170 powered modules.

Wut?

So Angara super heavy all along was...... Soyuz-5?

Time loop people

PapaDragon wrote:

kvs wrote:http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara7.html

Angara 7 variants: up to 41 tons to LEO.    Anyone trying to claim this can be worked into a heavy lifter is an idiot.

https://web.archive.org/web/20141208172221/http://www.russianspaceweb.com:80/angara100.html

Angara 100:

The Angara-100 was a 2005 proposal by Khrunichev to build a heavy-lift launch vehicle for NASA's Vision for Space Exploration. The rocket would consist of four RD-170-powered boosters, an RD-180-powered core stage, and a cryogenic upper stage using a modified Energia RD-0120 engine, the RD-0122. Its payload capacity to LEO would be in excess of 100 tons.

Wow, that's like the Energia design.   Key element: RD-170 powered modules.

Wut?

So Angara super heavy all along was...... Soyuz-5?

Time loop people

It is clear that a common concept driven by economic considerations emerged in Russia over 10 years ago. Now they are
actually going to build it. I hope they don't futz around with an RD-180 core stage. Just use one of the RD-170 modules.
The second core stage can be a liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen job powered by the RD-0122. The payload to LEO would
be over 120 tons.

kvs wrote:..........................
It is clear that a common concept driven by economic considerations emerged in Russia over 10 years ago.   Now they are
actually going to build it.   I hope they don't futz around with an RD-180 core stage.   Just use one of the RD-170 modules.
The second core stage can be a liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen job powered by the RD-0122.   The payload to LEO would
be over 120 tons.

Basically, they ran out of money so they axed original super-heavy and went with Angara-5P. Now super-heavy is back on.

I found this: http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1918663.html

Machine translation garbled it up as usual but basically Krunichev won contract to develop Angara and wasted time lobbying for Proton instead.

In the meantime Angara 1.2 competitor Soyuz-2 flew six months before Angara did.

And while Energia lost out on initial contract for super-heavy rocked they did not give up. They continued working on it and has now resurfaced as Soyuz-5 thus stomping out Krunichev's prospects for developing proper super-heavy on larger core and borderline killing rest of it's lineup.

This is exactly like Mi-28/Ka-50 situation from several decades ago. Mi-28 lost the contract but they did not give up and kept working on the platform while Kamov was sitting on it's ass. Fast forward two decades and now you have Mi-28 being go-to attack helicopter while Ka-50 is forgotten and Ka-52 is saved solely by the Navy.

Same thing happened here. Energia did not give up and kept working on their own. In time opportunity presented itself (partly in the form of Krunichev's stupidity).

I am so glad Federation is being developed by Energia. They definitely know how to get things done unlike some.

Singular_Transform wrote:US has 12 launch system in use/ under dev bz wiki

can russia afford 7,8,9 ? soyuz ,proton, soyuz -light, zenit, angara ,sunkar,phoenix,in many versions + and many light rockets...

and interesting link new zealand is about to launch rocket for small payloads with 3d printed engines.

Rmf wrote:

Singular_Transform wrote:US has 12 launch system in use/ under dev bz wiki

can russia afford 7,8,9 ? soyuz ,proton, soyuz -light, zenit, angara ,sunkar,phoenix,in many versions + and many light rockets...

and interesting link new zealand is about to launch rocket for small payloads with 3d printed engines.

That is good , I know a few guys who works in the company making 3D printers. Always good if someone buys they products.


Russia can afford it.

The US population was slightly bigger when it conducted the apollo program AND mayor weapon programs .

Rmf wrote:

Singular_Transform wrote:US has 12 launch system in use/ under dev bz wiki

can russia afford 7,8,9 ? soyuz ,proton, soyuz -light, zenit, angara ,sunkar,phoenix,in many versions + and many light rockets...
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Only ones left soon will be Soyuz-2, Angara (1 and 5) and Soyuz-5.

Old Soyuz, Proton and other stuff will be retired (eg. Moloniya-M was permanently ditched the moment Soyuz-2 went live)

Sunkar and Fenix are just different names for Soyuz-5 which is Zenit derivative (that will also be ditched the moment SeaLaunch gets first Soyuz-5 delivered)

And man rated Soyuz rockets will be retired once Federation is up and running.

So just 3 types of rockets. They could trim it down to 2 if they wanted to but Soyuz is just too good and Angara-1 is there by default simply due to being component of Angara-5.

Rmf wrote:

Singular_Transform wrote:US has 12 launch system in use/ under dev bz wiki

can russia afford 7,8,9 ? soyuz ,proton, soyuz -light, zenit, angara ,sunkar,phoenix,in many versions + and many light rockets...

and interesting link new zealand is about to launch rocket for small payloads with 3d printed engines.

We'll actually have to get it into space first...

Russia accelerates work on developing hydrogen engine for super-heavy carrier rocket

The engine will increase the lift capacity of the Angara-A5 carrier rocket to 37 tonnes, and the engine will be subsequently used in the third stage of a super-heavy carrier rocket

BISHKEK, June 8. /TASS/. Russia has started developing a hydrogen engine for the Angara-A5V carrier rocket with the increased lift capacity and also for a super-heavy launcher, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told TASS on Thursday.

"A decision has been made to accelerate work on a super-heavy-class rocket. In this regard, R&D work has already been launched and work will begin on the RD-0150 hydrogen engine," Rogozin said.

According to Rogozin, this engine as part of the third stage increases the lift capacity of the Angara-A5 carrier rocket in its Angara-A5V modification to 37 tonnes and the engine will be subsequently used in the third stage of a super-heavy carrier rocket.

The vice-premier compared the Angara-A5 upgrade to the Angara-A5V version with the inclusion of a motor vehicle into a different category.

"Speaking in automobile terms, this is a heavy truck."

Rogozin earlier said that the Russian president had assigned State Space Corporation Roscosmos the task to accelerate the work on creating a super-heavy rocket through the development of the relevant technologies.

Roscosmos Head Igor Komarov said earlier that the launch complex for the super-heavy rocket at the Vostochny cosmodrome was planned to be built by 2030. The Soyuz-5.1 new medium-class rocket being developed under the Phoenix R&D work is expected to become the first stage for the super-heavy launcher.

Development strategy envisaged a Soyuz-5 launch from the Vostochny cosmodrome for 2034 and a super-heavy rocket launch for 2035.


More:
http://tass.com/science/950504

Photo of Angara A-5V at MAKS-2017.  I thought A-5V was now abandoned?  Or is this just Khrunichev deploying the exhibition eye-candy to titillate the crowd?  Or has the Russian military developed an interest in a boosting the Angara lift capability (could it even be launched from the pad in Plesetsk)?

BigGazza wrote:Photo of Angara A-5V at MAKS-2017. I thought A-5V was now abandoned? Or is this just Khrunichev deploying the exhibition eye-candy to titillate the crowd? Or has the Russian military developed an interest in a boosting the Angara lift capability (could it even be launched from the pad in Plesetsk)?

Yaah yu are correct. A5V was cancelled .but then again this is my point of view. IF they are showing in the exhibition it either means it is less prioritized or it means it the project is not getting funded. The decisions taken in previous year clearly pointed out that they were cancelling A5V and renaming /upgrading to some other project.

I donno what the heck is going on .. but the funding is limited and they are not clearly telling us what are the project that are given the go ahead.
But even under pseudo information yu clearly and so simply pointed out A5V was cancelled ..

Thats very nice of yu

Big_Gazza wrote:Photo of Angara A-5V at MAKS-2017.  I thought A-5V was now abandoned?  Or is this just Khrunichev deploying the exhibition eye-candy to titillate the crowd?  Or has the Russian military developed an interest in a boosting the Angara lift capability (could it even be launched from the pad in Plesetsk)?

Nothing is stopping Khrunichev from trying to sell its designs. It acts as a private company and not as government department. So
linking its behaviour to that of the Russian government is tenuous.

Big_Gazza wrote:Photo of Angara A-5V at MAKS-2017.  I thought A-5V was now abandoned?  Or is this just Khrunichev deploying the exhibition eye-candy to titillate the crowd?  Or has the Russian military developed an interest in a boosting the Angara lift capability (could it even be launched from the pad in Plesetsk)?
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Angara A5V is permanently cancelled.

It was always just a backup plan for super-heavy that was put on ice back in 2014 but with Krunichev slacking off, sleeping on it's laurels, promoting Kazakhstan and wasting time after winning the contact it was axed once Soyuz-5 got the go ahead (AKA money materialized from somewhere)

Krunichev's original pitch as to use up to 4 launches for in orbit assembly of deep space vessels. But later that number grew to 6 launches which is way too high.

So any manned or heavy rocket you see from now on not called Soyuz is just manufacturer's fantasy.

I am surprised they did not stick Federation capsule on Proton-M model, it would be completely in line with Krunichev's track record of hydrazine/Kazakhstan/SpaceX/commercial launch fetish...

angara-5v is cancelled but it will be used , will not be manned it will be for cargo duty now its called angara-5m , that hydrogen/oxygen 3rd stage will be used in heavy energia launcher so commonality there.

Picked? Without tender or competition.?!? Not that im not in favour of energia getting job but there should be some legal and technical procedure maybe other companies have good solutions. This just show how corrupt government is and how much they with roscosmos have lost their way, but its their own fault and under pressure from americans and musk.
There is no telling how this thing will be late and over-budget now.
and angara -a5v is going to be even more expensive it seems.
few military launches per year is all russia can hope now.

Rmf wrote:Picked? Without tender or competition.?!? Not that im not in favour of  energia getting job but there should be some legal and technical procedure maybe other companies have good solutions. This just show how corrupt government is and how much they with roscosmos  have lost their way, but its their own fault and under pressure from americans and musk.
There is no telling how this thing will be late and over-budget  now.
and angara -a5v is going to be even more expensive it seems.
few military launches per year is all russia can hope now.

There was a tender awarded several days ago for F-35 maintenance. Guess who "won" it?

Yeah, only company that can implement the contact. What was the company that developed Energia rocket? Who was it, who was it...?

Do you expect AvtoVAZ to participate in tender for construction of nuclear power plant?



As for Angara being more expensive, please provide source. Your ass does not count...

Russia to launch production of hydrogen-powered stage for Angara heavy rocket

The current state program does not envisage this task, so the production will go beyond 2025



MOSCOW, August 25. /TASS/. The work to develop the hydrogen-powered stage for the Angara-A5V carrier rocket with the increased lift capacity will begin after 2025, acting CEO of the Khrunichev Space Center Alexei Varochko told TASS on Friday.

"The current state program does not envisage this task. It goes beyond the year 2025. But if we start dealing with this issue only after 2025, then we will again lose time. On paper, these technologies should be ready by 2025. The design idea should work ahead of current plans for years to come," he said.

Only experimental design work is currently under way in this field.

"Much in this matter will be linked with the place of the construction of factories for the production of hydrogen and the methods its delivery to cosmodromes. We need to solve the issue in a way to ensure that we don’t have to build two similar factories in the Far East and in Plesetsk. We need to proceed from the fact that the state cannot work for the production of only technological compounds. We need to work on the issue of minimizing the technological chain," the Center’s head said.

It was reported earlier that the Russian space industry planned to switch to the development of the Angara-A5V heavy-class carrier rocket with the increased lifting capacity after completing work on the Angara-A5M rocket whose first launch was scheduled for 2021.

The rocket’s hydrogen-powered version will be created by way of replacing the URM-2 oxygen-kerosene module of the Angara-A5M rocket with the oxygen-hydrogen stage. The Angara-A5V should be able to deliver up to 37 tonnes to the low near-Earth orbit. Hydrogen technologies are eventually planned to be used in the third stage of the super-heavy carrier rocket.

Russia’s State Space Corporation Roscosmos published its strategy through 2030 in late March 2017, noting that the flight tests of the Angara-A5V heavy rocket were scheduled for 2027-2028. It was also reported that the rocket’s development would cost 37 billion rubles ($625 million) while the entire program of creating the Angara-A5V launcher would require 150 billion rubles ($2.5 billion), considering construction and the work to build the relevant ground-based infrastructure.

The plans to develop the Angara-A5V rocket were unveiled in March 2015, when the scientific and technical council of the Federal Space Agency gave instructions to work out a preliminary design of a new carrier rocket based on the Angara launcher for organizing piloted flights to the Moon. The first launches of Angara-1.2PP and Angara-A5 rockets took place in 2014. The next launch of the heavy rocket is planned for 2018.


More:
http://tass.com/science/961997

Russian space center switching from Proton to Angara heavy rocket production

Angara is a family of Russian carrier rockets of different classes, which have been developed to replace Proton-M and Rokot launchers

MOSCOW, August 25. /TASS/. The Khrunichev Space Center is switching over from the production of Proton-M carrier rockets to the output of Angara-A5 and Angara-A5M launchers, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said during his visit to the enterprise on Friday.

"The enterprise is by its totality both significant and strategically important, considering that this enterprise is completing, largely speaking, the production of Proton-M carrier rockets in the near-term perspective and is beginning the output of and the transition to the series of the Angara-A5 rocket and its modernized Angara-A5M version as its trials are nearing completion," Rogozin said.

By decision of Russian President Vladimir Putin, the Angara-A5 carrier rocket must be launched from the Vostochny spaceport in Russia’s Far East by 2021, he noted.

By this time, all the construction works, the delivery of technological equipment, its assembly and tests should have been completed, the vice-premier stressed.

Correspondingly, similar and no less complex works should be conducted with the rocket as well to ensure that it can take off from the Vostochny cosmodrome by the end of 2021, Rogozin said.

The Angara is a family of Russian carrier rockets of different classes, from the light to the heavy versions, that have been developed to replace Proton-M and Rokot launchers. As compared to them, the new family uses environmentally friendly fuel components.

So far, only two launches have taken place, with both of them from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in north Russia: a light Angara-1.2PP rocket blasted off in July 2014 and a heavy Angara-A5 took off in December 2014.


More:
http://tass.com/science/962034

George1 wrote:Russian space center switching from Proton to Angara heavy rocket production  

Angara is a family of Russian carrier rockets of different classes, which have been developed to replace Proton-M and Rokot launchers

MOSCOW, August 25. /TASS/. The Khrunichev Space Center is switching over from the production of Proton-M carrier rockets to the output of Angara-A5 and Angara-A5M launchers, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said during his visit to the enterprise on Friday.
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HELL TO THE YES, WHORES FROM KRUNICHEV ARE FINALLY MADE TO BEND THE KNEE!!!       

Looks like the abomination that is Proton-M will finally be scraped, several decades too late but finally it's happening (never forget Phobos Grunt!)

Thanks for this news George!!! 




Add to that the hydrogen upper stage they announced and it's utility just went up significantly. With 37 tonnes it will have 15 tonnes more capacity than both Proton-M​ and Space Shuttle and 8 tonnes more than Delta IV Heavy.

With this in play Roskosmos will have proper wide range cargo workhorse.

They will still need Soyuz-5 for high value deep space and manned missions but it's definitely superior solution. You don't want to put people in glorified cargo truck with hydrogen stage and thin margins of error.

PapaDragon wrote:Looks like the abomination that is Proton-M will finally be scraped, several decades too late but finally it's happening (never forget Phobos Grunt!)

Phobos Grunt was launched by Zenit. Its failure was 100% a payload issue, launch to LEO was a success.

Big_Gazza wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:Looks like the abomination that is Proton-M will finally be scraped, several decades too late but finally it's happening (never forget Phobos Grunt!)

Phobos Grunt was launched by Zenit.  Its failure was 100% a payload issue, launch to LEO was a success.

In that case just add 20 other fuckups related to Proton. 

Briz-M was cause of failure, that's why I mistook it for Proton, those 2 usually come in package.

Either way just same old problem of trying to live forever off of legacy Soviet platforms.

Just move on already...

[quote="PapaDragon"]
Briz-M was cause of failure, that's why I mistook it for Proton, those 2 usually come in package.[quote]

Umm isn't Angara also use Briz-M and Briz-KM at upper stage?

T-47 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Briz-M was cause of failure, that's why I mistook it for Proton, those 2 usually come in package.

Umm isn't Angara also use Briz-M and Briz-KM at upper stage?

Yes, in some variants at least

One more Soviet leftover to replace

PapaDragon wrote:

T-47 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Briz-M was cause of failure, that's why I mistook it for Proton, those 2 usually come in package.

Umm isn't Angara also use Briz-M and Briz-KM at upper stage?

Yes, in some variants at least

One more Soviet leftover to replace

Why replace Briz if it works? Admittedly they had a few failed missions attributed to Briz, but these were QA/QC build issues, not design. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with Briz, and if Khrunichev has finally gotten their sh*t sorted out, what is the driver to throw it away and spend money developing a replacement?

Do you want to throw away the kerolox Block-D family as well?

BTW Briz-M was not the cause of failure of Phobos Grunt. Mission loss seems to be have due to computer failure/reboot leaving the vehicle in a safe node, but with the X-band antenna not yet deployed, there was no way to contact the vehicle to command a recovery. The mission failed because of a lack of rad-hard electronics and inadequate scenario planning & software testing.

George1 wrote:Russia accelerates work on developing hydrogen engine for super-heavy carrier rocket

The engine will increase the lift capacity of the Angara-A5 carrier rocket to 37 tonnes, and the engine will be subsequently used in the third stage of a super-heavy carrier rocket

BISHKEK, June 8. /TASS/. Russia has started developing a hydrogen engine for the Angara-A5V carrier rocket with the increased lift capacity and also for a super-heavy launcher, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told TASS on Thursday.

"A decision has been made to accelerate work on a super-heavy-class rocket. In this regard, R&D work has already been launched and work will begin on the RD-0150 hydrogen engine," Rogozin said.

According to Rogozin, this engine as part of the third stage increases the lift capacity of the Angara-A5 carrier rocket in its Angara-A5V modification to 37 tonnes and the engine will be subsequently used in the third stage of a super-heavy carrier rocket.

The vice-premier compared the Angara-A5 upgrade to the Angara-A5V version with the inclusion of a motor vehicle into a different category.

"Speaking in automobile terms, this is a heavy truck."

Rogozin earlier said that the Russian president had assigned State Space Corporation Roscosmos the task to accelerate the work on creating a super-heavy rocket through the development of the relevant technologies.

Roscosmos Head Igor Komarov said earlier that the launch complex for the super-heavy rocket at the Vostochny cosmodrome was planned to be built by 2030. The Soyuz-5.1 new medium-class rocket being developed under the Phoenix R&D work is expected to become the first stage for the super-heavy launcher.

Development strategy envisaged a Soyuz-5 launch from the Vostochny cosmodrome for 2034 and a super-heavy rocket launch for 2035.

More:
http://tass.com/science/950504

Can this be considered to be official confirmation that the Angara-5V is not cancelled?   Playing devils advocate however, Rogozin is quite fond on making sweeping statements, and development of a hydolox engine doesn't necessarily mean an Angara-compatible U/S will follow...

Big_Gazza. wrote:
Why replace Briz if it works?  Admittedly they had a few failed missions attributed to Briz, but these were QA/QC build issues, not design.  There is nothing fundamentally wrong with Briz, and if Khrunichev has finally gotten their sh*t sorted out, what is the driver to throw it away and spend money developing a replacement?

Do you want to throw away the kerolox Block-D family as well?

BTW Briz-M was not the cause of failure of Phobos Grunt.  Mission loss seems to be have due to computer failure/reboot leaving the vehicle in a safe node, but with the X-band antenna not yet deployed, there was no way to contact the vehicle to command a recovery.  The mission failed because of a lack of rad-hard electronics and inadequate scenario planning & software testing.

If they got their crap in order then good but fact remains that if they keep quality standards the way they were they will waste more money on lost payload than it would cost them to develop something decent.

It's time to get their heads out of their asses. They are doing a lot of stuff right lately but we all know how easy it is to throw space program on the back burner (remember 2014?)

Can this be considered to be official confirmation that the Angara-5V is not cancelled?   Playing devils advocate however, Rogozin is quite fond on making sweeping statements, and development of a hydolox engine doesn't necessarily mean an Angara-compatible U/S will follow...

Man rated Angara-5V is definitely cancelled. Cargo version of A5 with hydrogen stage however is apparently back in play, boost in payload capacity is too good to pass up it seems.

But it won't be super-heavy rocket, just heavy.

They are getting lots of stuff back in rotation. In pre-internet era I would assume it's PR BS but now I am inclined to think that they are throwing some unexpected cash on the projects.