Russia's enemy countries

Both would have rather too much to lose having even a cold conflict between themselves.

Of course conflict between its enemies has always been encouraged by the US... it is an easy way to defeat all its rivals... have them fight each other.

This is likely why the US demanded that the EU join the economic sanctions against Russia... keeping a wedge between even the EU and Russia suits the US... the more conflict it can create between other countries the better the US's position becomes...

The external forces that are and could be detrimental to Russian security in the future (and have been in the past are) and hence Russia's enemy are

US/Israel
UK
Israel/US

All three have directly or indirectly acted against Russian interest in various regions including inside Russian sovereign borders and these are the trios to be looked out for.



All have almost ignored Israel's proposed long range ballistic missile development, but I see only one aim of that development - a credible N-delivery system to cover Moscow. There are absolutely no other targets/threats that current Isreali ballistic missiles cannot cover.

Dima wrote:The external forces that are and could be detrimental to Russian security in the future (and have been in the past are) and hence Russia's enemy are

US/Israel
UK
Israel/US

All three have directly or indirectly acted against Russian interest in various regions including inside Russian sovereign borders and these are the trios to be looked out for.



All have almost ignored Israel's proposed long range ballistic missile development, but I see only one aim of that development - a credible N-delivery system to cover Moscow. There are absolutely no other targets/threats that current Isreali ballistic missiles cannot cover.

You can also add the smaller countries in the western border of Russia: Poland, Baltic states, Finland, Sweden and Romania. Maybe Bulgaria as well.

These countries do not pose a direct threat to Russia, but they act as bases for hostile western military installations that target Russia. And whenever there is an invasion to Russia from the West you can count that these countries will be involved.

What is scary for Russia that now you can add Ukraine to this list as well. What a great success for the Western foreign policy it was to turn Ukraine into its current state.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Dima wrote:The external forces that are and could be detrimental to Russian security in the future (and have been in the past are) and hence Russia's enemy are

US/Israel
UK
Israel/US

All three have directly or indirectly acted against Russian interest in various regions including inside Russian sovereign borders and these are the trios to be looked out for.



All have almost ignored Israel's proposed long range ballistic missile development, but I see only one aim of that development - a credible N-delivery system to cover Moscow. There are absolutely no other targets/threats that current Isreali ballistic missiles cannot cover.

You can also add the smaller countries in the western border of Russia: Poland, Baltic states, Finland, Sweden and Romania. Maybe Bulgaria as well.

These countries do not pose a direct threat to Russia, but they act as bases for hostile western military installations that target Russia. And whenever there is an invasion to Russia from the West you can count that these countries will be involved.

What is scary for Russia that now you can add Ukraine to this list as well. What a great success for the Western foreign policy it was to turn Ukraine into its current state.

Yes. You are right. But the three I mentioned are the prime movers. All the rest are vassals, they can only act on masters command and if the master get the feel that his pressure points are exposed and within the reach of Russia, he will chill out and wont bother with tickling Russian arse.

That is why I stick to the opinion that Russia needs to have its near abroad, like Syria, to be secured (the bastard Medvedev made Russia loose Libya) and have a strong navy to take the battle to the 'prime movers' backyard/pressure points and not to have a fight on backfoot.

flamming_python wrote:1st rank:

UK
USA
Georgia
Lithuania
Estonia
Sweden

2nd rank:

Australia
Canada
Romania
Poland
Czech Republic
Hungary
Albania + Kosovo
Bosnia
Qatar

SD I voite in Sweden so we bring smaller group immigrants to land.

Max 1500 Nordic and then max 20,000 mouslims.

Today situation is max 130,000 outlands.

9,8 million humans in Sweden today.

jka wrote:

flamming_python wrote:1st rank:

UK
USA
Georgia
Lithuania
Estonia
Sweden

2nd rank:

Australia
Canada
Romania
Poland
Czech Republic
Hungary
Albania + Kosovo
Bosnia
Qatar

SD I voite in Sweden so we bring smaller group immigrants to land.

Max 1500 Nordic and then max 20,000 mouslims.

Today situation is max 130,000 outlands.

9,8 million humans in Sweden today.

Bah, it's an out of date list by now really. Georgia is not interested in conflict, Estonia & Latvia have lost their bark, Bosnia is an EU colony but pretty harmless, Albania + Kosovo are no threat whatsoever to Russia, Qatar could well flip along with the Saudis, Hungary is one of the closest countries to Russia in the EU these days, Czechs toe the Western line straight but aren't hostile as such.

Just goes to show how quickly things change.

But Sweden's still up there; it's one of the big haters of Russia at the mo'

flamming_python wrote:

ali.a.r wrote:I get the Eastern European countries, but why Australia and Qatar?

Australia as a Commonwealth country shares the traditional Anglo-Saxon enmity & disdain for Russia; they are too far to have much of a role to play in most Western-Russian affairs, but no doubt in terms of any sort of UK-USA actions or sanctions against Russia - they will go along. So too would Canada. I didn't add N. Zealand or S. Africa to this list because the former is very far from world politics in general, and has very recently signed a free-trade agreement with Russia (actually the first country outside the ex-USSR to do so), signalling a more independent foreign policy; while the latter underwent the breakdown of Apartheid in the 90s and has recently become part of the BRICS club not just in economic-terms but now throwing in some of its politics together with that of the other emerging economies too - again signalling an increasingly independent foreign policy from that of the rest of hawkish Western bloc.

The other half of the '1st rank' consists of the Scandinavian-league, led by Sweden and joined by Scandinavian wannabees Estonia and Lithuania. Virulent anti-Russian countries the lot of them, I am afraid to say. Finland I suspect offers its moral support to this grouping too (at the very least its population does) but is very careful to adopt a formally neutral stance and just not piss-off Russia in general, hence I didn't add them. I didn't add Latvia either because basically we've been buying them all off over the past 5 years; their country is becoming less and less anti-Russian with each new election or presidential term.

As for Qatar, it has basically been the main instrument of US foreign policy, covert-action and support of armed rebels and protest movements in the Middle East over the last year, and itself was/is one of the greatest supporters of armed intervention in places like Syria, Iran and Libya. It has also played host to a number of Chechen rebel leaders over the years. Recently there was a diplomatic incident between Russia and Qatar when the Russian ambassador to there had his diplomatic immunity violated via an attempted theft of his property, followed by a beating at the hands of men believed to be in the employment of Qatari security services. Despite all that though, Russian-Qatari relations were actually pretty decent throughout most of last decade - they only soured recently.

You were pretty spot on here with canada and australia coming out of the woodwork riding on the wave of anti-russia sentiment.

My list?
1. Ukraine
2. Poland
3. Lithuania
4. UK

My list.
1.USA
2.UK
3.Iraq
4.Poland
5.Sweden

USA biggest country in western world are biggest enemy.

No eastern raise in USA.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:My list?
1. Ukraine
2. Poland
3. Lithuania
4. UK

Poland second? You mean where are the U.S.A. and U.K.?


Here is a much better list for you:


1. Germany
2. Grossdeutsches Reich
3. Third Reich
4. Drittes Reich
5. Deutschland

GarryB wrote:Think more potential enemy...

Personally I think over time China will become more of an ally than the west ever could be... both Russia and China are a bit like the soviet union and germany in the 1920s... largely rejected by Europe and left to fend for themselves... they had rather more in common at that time than ever before or ever since.

Of course the rise to power of Adolf ended that friendship in 1933.

The West may one day look back with great regret at their failure to embrace Russia and approach Russia in friendship. By alienating Russia they push Russia into line with China.

A squandered opportunity...

It will actually make Russia stronger, but a terrible waste of an opportunity.

I guess the real problem is there is no serious problem they need to work with the Russians to face... perhaps an impending alien invasion or zombie apocalypse... Perhaps if global warming really kicked into gear and got really serious... but otherwise it is the US playing wack-a-mole hitting any rival hard on the head that tries to get up...

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Dima wrote:The external forces that are and could be detrimental to Russian security in the future (and have been in the past are) and hence Russia's enemy are

US/Israel
UK
Israel/US

All three have directly or indirectly acted against Russian interest in various regions including inside Russian sovereign borders and these are the trios to be looked out for.



All have almost ignored Israel's proposed long range ballistic missile development, but I see only one aim of that development - a credible N-delivery system to cover Moscow. There are absolutely no other targets/threats that current Isreali ballistic missiles cannot cover.

You can also add the smaller countries in the western border of Russia: Poland, Baltic states, Finland, Sweden and Romania. Maybe Bulgaria as well.

These countries do not pose a direct threat to Russia, but they act as bases for hostile western military installations that target Russia. And whenever there is an invasion to Russia from the West you can count that these countries will be involved.

What is scary for Russia that now you can add Ukraine to this list as well. What a great success for the Western foreign policy it was to turn Ukraine into its current state.

Russia can destroy the small countries without firing a single bullet, just cut trade with Them.

Finland is not exactly a friendly country to Russia either.

On this week Finnish authorities arrested a Russian citizen and software designer Maxim Senakh. The arrest was made based on a request by the United States. United States accuses Senakh from spying and other “crimes”. Finland will soon extradite him to United States.

Senakh is from Novgorod and he was spending his holiday in Finland when the Finnish police arrested him. Russia has officially protested the arrest and demanded his immediate release, but it is not going to happen since Finland is pretty much fully loyal and subservient to the United States.

This is the same government that denied an entry for the Russian OSCE delegate to Helsinki for the OSCE meeting. The Finnish government made this decision by the request of the United States embassy in Finland.

There is little chance for Senakh. He will likely spend the next decades in a US prison. Why did he come to Finland if he knew that he was wanted by the United States??? Russians have always been slow learners but hopefully this news is widespread in Russia.

Lesson for all the Russians: Only spend your holidays in countries that are not controlled by the United States. Russian citizens are not safe in Finland anymore.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Finland is not exactly a friendly country to Russia either.

On this week Finnish authorities arrested a Russian citizen and software designer Maxim Senakh. The arrest was made based on a request by the United States. United States accuses Senakh from spying and other “crimes”. Finland will soon extradite him to United States.

Senakh is from Novgorod and he was spending his holiday in Finland when the Finnish police arrested him. Russia has officially protested the arrest and demanded his immediate release, but it is not going to happen since Finland is pretty much fully loyal and subservient to the United States.

This is the same government that denied an entry for the Russian OSCE delegate to Helsinki for the OSCE meeting. The Finnish government made this decision by the request of the United States embassy in Finland.

There is little chance for Senakh. He will likely spend the next decades in a US prison. Why did he come to Finland if he knew that he was wanted by the United States??? Russians have always been slow learners but hopefully this news is widespread in Russia.

Lesson for all the Russians: Only spend your holidays in countries that are not controlled by the United States. Russian citizens are not safe in Finland anymore.

What the actual fuck?
What was he even accused of?
Now he's going to be rotting in Gitmo or some other shithole and for what? Because the US regime is paranoid about some online 'trolls' or Putin's 'secret cyberspace army' or whatever the hell?

I don't think you should blame Finland too much; this could have (and would have) happened in any European country; none of them have enough sovereignty to guarantee the safety or immunity of foreign visitors from sudden demands and unfounded accusations from the United States.

This is why it's vital for Russia to continue to cut ties with Europe (including Finland).
By that I mean trade, financial, political co-operation, etc.. it all has to go.
Leave the harmless stuff like scientific and cultural co-operation alone of course - but everything else has to go.

I also get the impresssion that the US is actually full-set on 'crushing' the Russian government and forcing it into subservience/submission - which is insane.
The US Senate and Obama have got tired of Putin embarassing them, so they've made him into the ultimate villian by now and are fully set on his destruction - I'm talking about the same fate awaiting him as Saddam Hussein, Milosevic, Bin Laden, Assad, Gaddaffi et all.
Which is again, insane.
This is Russia, not Serbia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan or whatever else. You can't force it into submission, and you can't force its leader into some phony war-crime tribunal. You can't isolate this country, you can't crush it or pressure it militarily.
Any attempt to do so will sooner or later lead to a new world war.

Yet that's exactly what America is trying to do - they are attempting the insane.

For this reason Russia needs to start sending very, very clear messages to the US and Europeans, messages that they better respect, where the consequences of *not* doing so are shown to them as plainly and matter of factly as possible.

Mindstorm made a good post about the possibility of MiG-31s being equipped with nuclear-tipped long-range A2A missiles. That's the sort of thing we need to see more of - and we should start to see some exercises of such anti-air nuclear and EMP warfare.
We should see a restart of Russia's chemical and biological weapons program, a withdrawal from these treaties.
Equipping of all Russian naval vessels and submarines, partially, with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and anti-air missiles.

Hopefully this would send the right message.
And we should do these exercises right on Europe's border. Europe will have their threat, that the Americans keep warning them about. And they will also see that the threat is entirely of their own creation.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Finland is not exactly a friendly country to Russia either.

On this week Finnish authorities arrested a Russian citizen and software designer Maxim Senakh. The arrest was made based on a request by the United States. United States accuses Senakh from spying and other “crimes”. Finland will soon extradite him to United States.

Senakh is from Novgorod and he was spending his holiday in Finland when the Finnish police arrested him. Russia has officially protested the arrest and demanded his immediate release, but it is not going to happen since Finland is pretty much fully loyal and subservient to the United States.

This is the same government that denied an entry for the Russian OSCE delegate to Helsinki for the OSCE meeting. The Finnish government made this decision by the request of the United States embassy in Finland.

There is little chance for Senakh. He will likely spend the next decades in a US prison. Why did he come to Finland if he knew that he was wanted by the United States??? Russians have always been slow learners but hopefully this news is widespread in Russia.

Lesson for all the Russians: Only spend your holidays in countries that are not controlled by the United States. Russian citizens are not safe in Finland anymore.

Well done, Finland. Destroy the delusion of the Russians that they are welcome in the Euro-Atlantic world.

flamming_python wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Finland is not exactly a friendly country to Russia either.

On this week Finnish authorities arrested a Russian citizen and software designer Maxim Senakh. The arrest was made based on a request by the United States. United States accuses Senakh from spying and other “crimes”. Finland will soon extradite him to United States.

Senakh is from Novgorod and he was spending his holiday in Finland when the Finnish police arrested him. Russia has officially protested the arrest and demanded his immediate release, but it is not going to happen since Finland is pretty much fully loyal and subservient to the United States.

This is the same government that denied an entry for the Russian OSCE delegate to Helsinki for the OSCE meeting. The Finnish government made this decision by the request of the United States embassy in Finland.

There is little chance for Senakh. He will likely spend the next decades in a US prison. Why did he come to Finland if he knew that he was wanted by the United States??? Russians have always been slow learners but hopefully this news is widespread in Russia.

Lesson for all the Russians: Only spend your holidays in countries that are not controlled by the United States. Russian citizens are not safe in Finland anymore.

What the actual fuck?
What was he even accused of?
Now he's going to be rotting in Gitmo or some other shithole and for what? Because the US regime is paranoid about some online 'trolls' or Putin's 'secret cyberspace army' or whatever the hell?

I don't think you should blame Finland too much; this could have (and would have) happened in any European country; none of them have enough sovereignty to guarantee the safety or immunity of foreign visitors from sudden demands and unfounded accusations from the United States.

This is why it's vital for Russia to continue to cut ties with Europe (including Finland).
By that I mean trade, financial, political co-operation, etc.. it all has to go.
Leave the harmless stuff like scientific and cultural co-operation alone of course - but everything else has to go.

I also get the impresssion that the US is actually full-set on 'crushing' the Russian government and forcing it into subservience/submission - which is insane.
The US Senate and Obama have got tired of Putin embarassing them, so they've made him into the ultimate villian by now and are fully set on his destruction - I'm talking about the same fate awaiting him as Saddam Hussein, Milosevic, Bin Laden, Assad, Gaddaffi et all.
Which is again, insane.
This is Russia, not Serbia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan or whatever else. You can't force it into submission, and you can't force its leader into some phony war-crime tribunal. You can't isolate this country, you can't crush it or pressure it militarily.
Any attempt to do so will sooner or later lead to a new world war.

Yet that's exactly what America is trying to do - they are attempting the insane.

For this reason Russia needs to start sending very, very clear messages to the US and Europeans, messages that they better respect, where the consequences of *not* doing so are shown to them as plainly and matter of factly as possible.

Mindstorm made a good post about the possibility of MiG-31s being equipped with nuclear-tipped long-range A2A missiles. That's the sort of thing we need to see more of - and we should start to see some exercises of such anti-air nuclear and EMP warfare.
We should see a restart of Russia's chemical and biological weapons program, a withdrawal from these treaties.
Equipping of all Russian naval vessels and submarines, partially, with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and anti-air missiles.

Hopefully this would send the right message.
And we should do these exercises right on Europe's border. Europe will have their threat, that the Americans keep warning them about. And they will also see that the threat is entirely of their own creation.

Americans are notorius for being fucking retards - it`s their raison d`etre. Of course not all of them, mainly the fucking politicians.

Analyze Kennan`s proposal for containment and how this was highjacked by those cocksuckers, this is Cold War 2.0.
Those bastards believe it was a capitalist - read USA victory over CCCP and now they are continuing along the same line trying to choke Russia.

I remember how during the old Cold War CCCP never had in it`s doctrine nuclear first strike - unlike USA, but I remember they embraced it around 2000 or something - please correct me if i`am wrong.

One has to be a special kind of stupid to think the world is safer now than it was 30 or something years ago.

Yes, strategic arsenals are shrinking but the risk of nuclear confrontation growths because of USA`s reckless behaviour.

Unfortunately the only ones who could rein in their politicians are americans themselves - the regular Joes - yet those are so brainwashed by media and monitored so thoroughly, poor buggers looks like lambs - albeit armed ones

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Lesson for all the Russians: Only spend your holidays in countries that are not controlled by the United States. Russian citizens are not safe in Finland anymore.

Never stop amazing me.. how disconnected is Russian Society with the reality they are today.
Americans are at war with Russia.. is a cold war.. and the idiots do not get it , they continue traveling to Europe or other countries where american terrorist government can kidnap them and  later invent any excuse for their arrest..  Russian Government have been warning for more than a year to its citizens to avoid traveling to countries which US can use to arrest them ,under any pretext.

Many Russians also travel to Turkey ,full knowing is a NATO country ,who finance and ARm terrorist in Syria.. means the government cannot be trusted... and have seen many reports of
"mysterious deaths" of Russian citizens in turkey.. In times like this Russians needs to be united and support its own local Tourism and its own local industry if they want their nation to
survive the Cold War Americans are leading on them.



 And FinLand is not an enemy of Russia ,they simply do not have the balls to counter American policies or question their politics and will avoid becoming
a target of them...for one Russian citizen and simply choose the path of less resistance.  

This also completely shocking to see Russians citizens traveling to America ,in times like this.. anyone that is Russian and support its government, should be fleeing for the lives from America Fascist state in same way they will do it from a North Korea regime .  The corrupt american government will invent anything to annoy Russia ,to provoke them ,by kidnapping its citizens.  They don't arrest or kidnap the Russian Ambassador in USA.. or LAvrov when travel to UN,because Russia can retaliate..  Russia did not kidnap Americans (like US gov does with its citizens) only because it will not benefit its tourism and will made it easier for the west to demonize Russia.  So is alarming how so many Russians do not understand USA is already at war with Russia.. a cold war.. and that they need to Wake up ,avoid traveling to any place that US gov can pressure its leaders to help them to kidnap Russian citizens.  

This is pure Mafia ,what the US government is doing in the world.. Like drug Cartels , it will not pass long they will start kidnapping family members of Politicians in Russia under fake charges.
And when they get really desperate they will start targeting Russian Media like RT and shutdown
its channel office is Washington DC under any fake charges.. and arrest all Russian journalist.

US goverment will become more and more a North Korean style Repressive Regime ,the more
they feel losing the cold war they have against Russia. The more desperate and the US government feels in failing to collapse Russia ..the more Hostile they will become and more terror tactics will use..   I will not be surprised China is also under attack ,you see such mysterios explosions happening one after another withing days of differences.. and then you see the France unrest and terrorism attacks increasing exponentially and Germany too..  And they are the 2 main nations in Europe opposing US policies in Ukraine..  coincidence? not at all.

Turkey, no1 enemy from now and on..

George1 wrote:Turkey, no1 enemy from now and on..

You should urge your government to shoot down all turkish planes. Show the mighty of S-300P.

Werewolf wrote:

George1 wrote:Turkey, no1 enemy from now and on..

You should urge your government to shoot down all turkish planes. Show the mighty of S-300P.

we do it sometimes

George1 wrote:

we do it sometimes

Make it a new year suprise.

Yeah... of course acting like a dick and murdering Turkish pilots will of course solve everything... NOT.

Turkey is no more an enemy than it was 5 months ago... it is still a US stooge and still part of NATO a group it is now hiding behind.

There was some potential for cooperation in a range of mutually beneficial areas that would quite frankly have benefited Turkey rather more than it would have benefited Russia, but that benefit is clearly not so important to turkey as protecting its illegal smuggling of ISIS oil.

The amusing thing is that I really thought controlling gas deliveries to the EU would actually have given turkey some real leverage and might have led to their inclusion in that grouping but then if they have not been allowed in by now they would likely never have been...

GarryB wrote:Yeah... of course acting like a dick and murdering Turkish pilots will of course solve everything... NOT.

Turkey is no more an enemy than it was 5 months ago... it is still a US stooge and still part of NATO a group it is now hiding behind.

There was some potential for cooperation in a range of mutually beneficial areas that would quite frankly have benefited Turkey rather more than it would have benefited Russia, but that benefit is clearly not so important to turkey as protecting its illegal smuggling of ISIS oil.

The amusing thing is that I really thought controlling gas deliveries to the EU would actually have given turkey some real leverage and might have led to their inclusion in that grouping but then if they have not been allowed in by now they would likely never have been...

I'm accusing you of having logical, non-emotional posts on this forum GarryB! That's it! I thought it was verboten?
(though I really dislike Turks atm...but you all know that)