Russia's enemy countries

Hole wrote:He misses the old Russia before Lenin and Stalin invented artifical "states" and broke Russia up with made up borders.

Pooland is starting a campaign of hysteria about Russia invading Belarus in the near future. Belarus certainly has nothing to do with
Pooland and its separation from Russia was illegal as you note.

He misses the old Russia before Lenin and Stalin invented artifical "states" and broke Russia up with made up borders.

But not so much that he would give up power and let Russia absorb Belarus back into one larger country... though I am sure if Putin offered to step down and let him take control of this new Russian federation that included belarus he would jump at the chance... it is too much about personal politics sadly...

By the time they understand the western tactic of divide and conquer it will be too late... but for Russia itself this is just shaving off the fat... the dead weight and making Russia more lean and efficient in the multi polar world...

The leadership in the Ukraine were anti Russia but the realised Russia and China were offering the Ukraine a better future than the western/EU offer... when they took the wrong offer they were removed from power and the replacement government led the Ukraine in to poverty and debt and destitution... cutting economic ties with its large neighbour was an enormous kick in the balls to Kiev itself... one which it may never recover from...

It was painful for Russia too but has resulted in them also becoming more independent and able to offer its products internationally without having to negotiate for parts from third parties like it did before with transport planes, helicopters and ships...

It is just a personal opinion, but i believe that, going forward with his current stance Lukashenko will end up like Yanukovich if he is lucky or like Ceaușescu if he is not.

He does not care at all about the wellbeing of the citizensp, he is only interested in his personal power.

And he does not understand that in case of reunification, even if he would not be the boss, he would have been offered a quite important position to satisfy his ego and allow him and his family to maintain a quite high lifestyle.

Anyway, i am sure that the Russian authorities are quite fed up with him.

At the end of this year there should be the Belorussian presidential elections... maybe Russia could start supporting another candidate...

The thing that must be clear is that Russia is ready to cooperate with any nation, but if a former part of Russia want to have the same treatments and benefits as a Russian region, than they should also follow orders and pay taxes in Russia. If Lukashenko or his successor wants to play an independent politic, they are free to do it with their own money.

It is tricky... Russia does not want to push Belarus away... they pretty much did everything they could to keep the Ukraine happy and they still bit the hand that fed them... but at the end of the day Russia is looking for solid stable mature countries to trade with and grow with and develop with... they don't need weak countries wanting hand outs and special treatment because they have done Russia the favour of trading with them.

If Belarus wants to be treated like Russians then they need to be Russians.... nothing else is good enough.

If they don't want to be Russians that is fine... Russia is not interested in absorbing its neighbours... it does not need extra land and it certainly does not need a 5th column population ready to sabotage everything they do just for spite within their federation...

Countries can trade and have normal ties with Russia or they can hope the US will follow through on its promises and shower you with money... but that money is looking more and more like confetti... fewer countries are using it because the US has been using it as a weapon... it wont be worth much when it is no longer an international trade currency... they print more instead of earning money... the inflation on the US dollar should be a billion percent... if any other country tried that shit it would be... and you want them to shower you in that... it is only a matter of time before confetti is more expensive than cut up US dollar notes...

Pretty soon the population are going to get sick of their dictator who isn't delivering on a better future any more... unlike Putin... when he realises he might not win the next election his bargaining strategy of making the US and Russia compete with offers might change dramatically...

Russia should not interfere in Belarus elections... the costs are much more grave than any possible benefit... the same that could be said in US elections... both the democrats and republicans are right wing pro war nut cases... what would be the point of rigging the election when the result either way wont change very much at all...

In Kyiv, Turkey's Erdogan Denounces Russia’s 'Illegitimate' Annexation Of Crimea


Intel: Erdogan accuses Russia of 'negligence' while signing military aid deal with Ukraine   Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/02/intel-erdogan-ukraine-accuse-russia-idlib-turkey-syria-zelensky.html#ixzz6Cy1QZmm5

And some people think he is a russian ally

He is another Lukashenko.

He will then go to Russia to kiss ass to get more trade deals since Turkey now is becoming reliant on Russian trade.

miketheterrible wrote:He is another Lukashenko.

He will then go to Russia to kiss ass to get more trade deals since Turkey now is becoming reliant on Russian trade.

Yes, he is a buffoon but at least he pays for the goods he receives from Russia...

Anyway, if he continues on his current path I don't see a bright future for his country

ahmedfire wrote:In Kyiv, Turkey's Erdogan Denounces Russia’s 'Illegitimate' Annexation Of Crimea


Intel: Erdogan accuses Russia of 'negligence' while signing military aid deal with Ukraine   Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/02/intel-erdogan-ukraine-accuse-russia-idlib-turkey-syria-zelensky.html#ixzz6Cy1QZmm5

And some people think he is a russian ally

No one here (besides the Turkish forum members) believe that....but he's useful for his purpose, which is being a headache for NATO like Ukraine is for Russia. The Turkish participation in the F-35 program will be the gift that keeps on giving, and HATO's vassal's will take the losses and expenses on the chin.....there's a reason why vassal and Vaseline sounds so similar!

Kissing the ass of the people whose country you happen to be in is perfectly normal... in Kiev he would probably get shot if he said anything nice about Russia.

He has a big mouth but Russia could care less what he has to say regarding Crimea... it changes nothing... America might jump up and down and demand total subservience or else its their ball and they are taking it when they go home, but Russia doesn't demand its customers behave like a whipped dog...

plus it does make him sound like a massive hypocrite since you know, Turkish occupation of Cyprus.

miketheterrible wrote:plus it does make him sound like a massive hypocrite since you know, Turkish occupation of Cyprus.

I am more annoyed by their continuous occupation of Constantinople.

Unfortunately the last time that Russia could have solved that problem, they were blocked by England and other western countries

GarryB wrote:If Belarus wants to be treated like Russians then they need to be Russians.... nothing else is good enough.

It was the Kremlin's decision not to include Belarus in Russia after the USSR was dissolved. No official offer has been made by the Kremlin yet to Belarus to join Russia.

Kremlin doesn't want any territory. Else they could have taken over Ukraine in 2014 itself.

jhelb wrote:

GarryB wrote:If Belarus wants to be treated like Russians then they need to be Russians.... nothing else is good enough.

It was the Kremlin's decision not to include Belarus in Russia after the USSR was dissolved. No official offer has been made by the Kremlin yet to Belarus to join Russia.

Kremlin doesn't want any territory. Else they could have taken over Ukraine in 2014 itself.

no they could not have. Keeping bielorussa and most of ukraine would have been very simple at the moment of the official dissolution of the soviet union, but occupying with the army a territory inhabited by people that have been brainwashed since at least the 80s about russophobia would have been quite a problem. In 2014 even in Odessa and Kharkov half of the population was not interested in becoming a part of Russia. Also with the international political situation at that time it was not the best moment. Possibly in the future the situation will be different

Else they could have taken over Ukraine in 2014 itself.

The Ukraine is broken... why would Russia take over a broken country full of people who hate Russia and blame all their problems on Russia.

It is Russias fault the Ukraine is broken... they didn't invade and fix everything.... if they had invaded and endured terrorist attacks supported by the west it would still be Russias fault because they invaded and the west paid for an insurgency to keep a war going for 20 years just to hurt Russia...

I hope the Ukraine and the west are happy together... they deserve each other...

Banderastan is starting to sing a new tune about cooperation with Russia in order to save Antonov and Motor Sich.
The Russia hating clowns imposed all sorts of trade sanctions on Russia and thus sliced off their own testicles.
Now they want Russian money again. Get f*cked. By no means should Russia engage with the Kiev regime.
It is clear that its NATzO pals are not interested in saving Banderastani industry. It is in Russia's interests
for this industry to fully disappear to have these haters learn a lesson.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-deploys-mini-nuke-deplorable-threat-world-peace

Demented yanquis think that they can

1) frame a war with Russia with rules and conditions to their liking

2) win a war with Russia because of (1).

The retardation of the clowns in Washington is breathtaking.

Russia will not restrict its reaction to any set of rules that the US will try to impose. The issue is survival and not
propaganda talking points or image.

The events pertaining to Belarus are revealing the change of mentality in Russia. Russia has realized that feeding welfare parasites
is not worth it. Phony friends who demand to get freebies to remain friends are not friends:

1) Belarus has been causing Russia economic damage by reselling Russian oil and other subsidized goods. Why should Russian
companies suffer for such "friendship".

2) It is clear that Lukashenko's regime has been allowing the festering of anti-Russian svidomites in the government and Belarus
elites. So Belarus is like the husk of a butterfly pupa eaten out by certain parasitic wasp larvae. There is no there there.

3) By securing its GDP, Russia gains real power. At the same time its phony parasite "friends" swirl the toilet bowl of oblivion.
Some on this board claim that this is a big loss for Russia. How? Real friendship would involve mutual GDP growth and not
what we see: parasitism of Russia.

So pompous ass Pompeo can score his little Kiev Maidan style point, but the yanquis are not going to prop up the GDP of
Belarus. This means that Belarus will be a failed state just like Banderastan. No amount "regime control" by stooges
in Minsk is going to make Belarus some potent enemy of Russia or a real asset for the yanquis against Russia. Instead
there will be millions of people moving to Russia and bolstering its power and development. The yanquis can keep their
precious trash.

BTW, the recent shake up in the Russian government is directly relevant to the point above. It appears that the Medvedev
administration bureaucracy was sabotaging the granting of citizenship to refugees from Ukraine. This is not in Russia's
interests and is pure sabotage serving the yanqui agenda. The new prime minister has already forwarded a law to the
Duma to drastically simplify the granting of citizenship. Now Russia is better prepared for the fallout of the Lukashenko's
destruction of Belarus.

I am wondering... those people who think the best future for Russia is to get all the white republics that were part of the Soviet Union to rejoin Russia again, do you think the same about India?

Would India be better off if it invaded or seized control of Pakistan and Bangledesh and forced them to become part of India again?

I am saying the same in both cases... both Russia and India have their own problems and don't need to add the problems and complications of former parts of their states to those problems.

I am not saying Russia or for that matter India should not try to have good relations with its neighbours but lets be realistic... feeding a big fat baby when it cries to shut it up is doing that baby no favours at all.

GarryB wrote:I am wondering... those people who think the best future for Russia is to get all the white republics that were part of the Soviet Union to rejoin Russia again, do you think the same about India?

Would India be better off if it invaded or seized control of Pakistan and Bangledesh and forced them to become part of India again?

I am saying the same in both cases... both Russia and India have their own problems and don't need to add the problems and complications of former parts of their states to those problems.

I am not saying Russia or for that matter India should not try to have good relations with its neighbours but lets be realistic... feeding a big fat baby when it cries to shut it up is doing that baby no favours at all.

I am also not against Belorus and Ukraine per se.   It is the virulent anti-Russian elites and large part of the masses in those countries that
is the issue.  If they cannot deal with Russia fairly and have to poop their pants with hate every time the word Russia is uttered, then they
can go and get f*cked.   It is insane for Russia to coddle such swine.   The best medicine for them is to be left to fend for themselves
and see what reality is all about.  

In the case of Belorus, we have a surreal situation.   I can't even find a single historical event that defines Belorus.  Nothing.  At least
Ukraine had Bohdan Khmelnitsky and some sort of identity formation for centuries.   Belorus is a pure concoction of the Bolsheviks
and all this talk about independence is just sick.   Why not carve up Spain, UK, France, Germany into some ad hoc countries based
on regional dialects or other token differences?   Unfortunately for Belorus it is too late.  They have had generations drinking the
distinctiveness koolaid and now think that they are different.   Whatever.   Those of them that have the right historical self-awareness
can move to Russia and make Russia great.   The others can wallow in their phony nationalism based on stealing Russian history and
hate for Russians.

Lukashenko has achieved the impossible, he's gone full retard to the 3rd power, R^3.

1) He is openly threatening to seize Russian transit oil while lying that he only wants Russian oil at market prices!

2) He is now sabotaging the deal with Russia on cheap gas supplies (currently $18 per tcm).

3) He has sabotaged the opening of the new nuclear power plant with assorted dirty tricks using state inspectors
and is expecting Russia to pay both penalties for delays and the cost of the "fixes". This is not in the plant
itself but in supporting cooling infrastructure. Also, Luka is refusing to hire other contractors to fix the alleged
problems. This is because other contractors will have nothing to do and he will have to pay them.

kvs wrote:

Lukashenko has achieved the impossible, he's gone full retard to the 3rd power,  R^3.

1) He is openly threatening to seize Russian transit oil while lying that he only wants Russian oil at market prices!

2) He is now sabotaging the deal with Russia on cheap gas supplies (currently $18 per tcm).

3) He has sabotaged the opening of the new nuclear power plant with assorted dirty tricks using state inspectors
and is expecting Russia to pay both penalties for delays and the cost of the "fixes".   This is not in the plant
itself but in supporting cooling infrastructure.   Also, Luka is refusing to hire other contractors to fix the alleged
problems.   This is because other contractors will have nothing to do and he will have to pay them.

This sniveling, trifling imbecile literally saw the destruction of Ukraine right in front of his eyes and is basically setting his country towards the same path! This guy always finds a reason to complain to Russia about something, but doesn't mind that Western leaders and Western media consistently portray him as 'The Last Dictator of Europe.' Once he gets too close to the West, they'll just topple this tinpot goofball, then he'll run like a rat to the Federation for sanctuary just like Yanocockroach....he's literally no better than that guy who boiled and freezed his political opponents in Uzbekistan....Ironically enough once he died Russia and Uzbekistan immediately restored relations back to normal. There's only 2 choices, either there's a soft-coup that gets him to step down and restore relations with the Federation, or a hard-coup like we saw in Ukraine, that causes chaos!

Lukashenko is a certifiable retard.   He claims that it is impossible to fight the corona virus with border closures.   What
a f*cktard.   All diseases can be fought against using restriction of movement and quarantine.   So far viruses and
bacteria have not evolved the ability to teleport.   The retard also makes fun of Russia's offer to help test for the virus.
This bitch actually clamps his pussy linking the oil price dispute with Russia to the offer of help to fight off a pandemic.

Luk-tard is upset Russia closed the border with Belorus.   Belorus has zero right to dictate to Russia on its response to
the corona virus.   And the video identifies the evidence that Belorus is doing an extremely sloppy job controlling migrants
from Italy and elsewhere.  And there is evidence that Belorus is covering up corona virus cases.   Russia cannot afford to
have Luk-tard's hubris and mental deficiency to undermine its quarantine measures.

kvs wrote:

Lukashenko is a certifiable retard.   He claims that it is impossible to fight the corona virus with border closures.   What
a f*cktard.   All diseases can be fought against using restriction of movement and quarantine.   So far viruses and
bacteria have not evolved the ability to teleport.   The retard also makes fun of Russia's offer to help test for the virus.
This bitch actually clamps his pussy linking the oil price dispute with Russia to the offer of help to fight off a pandemic.

Luk-tard is upset Russia closed the border with Belorus.   Belorus has zero right to dictate to Russia on its response to
the corona virus.   And the video identifies the evidence that Belorus is doing an extremely sloppy job controlling migrants
from Italy and elsewhere.  And there is evidence that Belorus is covering up corona virus cases.   Russia cannot afford to have Luk-tard's hubris and mental deficiency to undermine its quarantine measures.

on this i have to agree with you. I believe in a not that distant future the old man will envy the fate of Yanukovich (that lost all of his political power (and unfortunately also his younger son in a strange accident in 2015 (probably just a unlucky accident)) but that is living safely and comfortably in Rostov.

Russia cannot jeopardize its security because of an idiot fake ally

So the British invaded Murmansk in 1916 and set up a concentration camp there for the local residents.

Please, don't accuse me of not knowing history. I am quite sure that 99.9999999% of people don't know about
this.

All the bile aimed at Russia from the UK. What filthy, bloody hypocrites. Russia never invaded any part of the UK
or any of its colonies and set up concentration camps.

Concentration camps appear to be a cultural feature of the Anglo-derived civilizations. Like Canada and the USA.

I point this out to many people that show how shitty the US and UK are and how they took advantage of a civil war to put concentration camps in Russia. But thankfully russians pushed them out.

The US and UK need to be contained and dealt with.