NATO - Russia relations:

"Our goal has been to involve Russia, not to isolate it," the NATO stressed, adding that Russia "isolated itself by own actions and own choices."

What an ass... all the bad things we did to you were your fault... we want to talk to you and cooperate and keep you involved... that is why WE broke of all cooperation with you and started economic sanctions that would be considered an act of war if Russia did it to the west....

Why should Russia consider normal relations with such two faced pricks?

Russia May Consider Restoration of Dialogue With NATO When Bloc Ready

Moscow Invites All NATO Members to Russian Security Conference in April

Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov stated that Russian Defense Ministry has invited all NATO countries to an April conference on security in Moscow and some have accepted the invitation.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The Russian Defense Ministry has invited all NATO countries to an April conference on security in Moscow and some have accepted the invitation, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov said Thursday.

“We invited all NATO countries to our [security] conference, including the leaders of the Alliance. Now it’s all in the hands and heads of our colleagues to decide if they are ready for discussion or if they prefer a situation when sword-playing slogans are sent from their capitals in our address,” Antonov told journalists.

Antonov added that Ukraine was not invited to the international conference.

“At this stage of the brutal information antagonism in regard to the crisis in southeastern Ukraine, we decided not to inflame the situation at the conference and at this stage made the decision not to invite our Ukrainian colleagues to the event,” Antonov added.

Western countries are creating a new dividing line and have chosen Russia as its target instead of fighting terrorism, Anatoly Antonov said.

“Instead of joining efforts in the fight against evil, the most important of which is terrorism, western countries are creating a new dividing line…and today it has chosen Russia as its target,” Antonov told journalists.

The system of international security has been disrupted by the actions of the United States and its allies and it will be difficult to restore without mutual trust, Russian Deputy Defense Minister added.

“Without trust it will be difficult to repair the international system of security that has been seriously damaged by the actions of the United States and its allies on the international arena,” Antonov told journalists.

Antonov said he could not recall throughout his entire military career when relations between the United States and Russia were more difficult than at the present.

“Throughout my entire military-diplomatic career, throughout my entire diplomatic activities, I have never seen Russian-American relations so difficult,” Antonov told journalists.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150305/1019085625.html#ixzz3TVGDUY5l

Nato is expelling dozens of suspected Russian spies over fears the Kremlin has infiltrated the military organisation that is drawing up plans to protect Europe from Putin

▬Nato is kicking out up to 45 suspected Russian spies from its headquarters
▬Follows decision to limit size of non-Nato member states' delegations to 30
▬Russia only country affected. Sources: Aim to curb intelligence-gathering
▬Comes after military chiefs warned UK & Russia had entered new Cold War





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3076455/Dozens-Russian-spies-booted-Nato-headquarters-western-military-alliance-seeks-crackdown-Moscow-s-intelligence-gathering.html

if i were calling the shots i wouldnt expel those suspected spies, ill give them false info. to work with. this sounds like a hissy fit.

max steel wrote:Nato is expelling dozens of suspected Russian spies over fears the Kremlin has infiltrated the military organisation that is drawing up plans to protect Europe from Putin  

▬Nato is kicking out up to 45 suspected Russian spies from its headquarters
▬Follows decision to limit size of non-Nato member states' delegations to 30
▬Russia only country affected. Sources: Aim to curb intelligence-gathering
▬Comes after military chiefs warned UK & Russia had entered new Cold War





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3076455/Dozens-Russian-spies-booted-Nato-headquarters-western-military-alliance-seeks-crackdown-Moscow-s-intelligence-gathering.html

also within the NATO structure millitary intelligence agency's actively snooping out "russia symphatisers" within ground force's ranks. this "snooping" is seriously undermining morale in the German and Dutch Millitary as far i heard. they even go trough people's social media to find any "evidence" of "influence of Russian propaganda".

NATO troops require this "certification of loyalty" for lack of better translation to english. i means on an regular basis the millitary intelligence screens troops for loyalty. if you got financial depts making you susceptible to bribes. your social media activity, your political views, etcetera.

if you do not clear this certification your voluntary contract is immidiatly terminated. i understand being some fundamentalist gets you kicked out. but also guys that just ask legitimate questions get immediately kicked out the door by revoking their "loyalty status". and most of them are really professional guys that know what they are doing in their work. guys of the calibre of real men that would stand next to you in the middle of an firefight. just fired for raising their concerns about policy.

Baltics Mull Joint Air Defense Against Russia

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2015/05/28/baltics-mull-joint-air-defense-system-against-russia/28077399/

Czech Military Eyes Israeli 3D Radars

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/europe/2015/06/01/czech-military-eyes-elta-3d-radars/28312957/

Russian Military Aircraft Flew Over NATO Warships in Baltic Sea




The incident involving four NATO warships, including US destroyer Jason Dunham, occurred on Thursday. One British, one French and one German vessel were also part of the group.A Russian military surveillance aircraft flew close to NATO warships in the Baltic Sea, including flying above the deck of one of the vessels at an altitude of 500 feet .

http://sputniknews.com/military/20150614/1023337417.html#ixzz3d1jSxRwB

George1 wrote:West Needs to Re-Establish NATO-Russia Council to 'Avoid War in Europe'

Or, y'know, maybe disband the apparatus that serves only to extend US interests abroad entirely.

Question, are you going to get arrested/ under surveillance here in Canada for spreading anti-NATO propaganda? I'm just an immigrant

US venting its Ukraine fiasco now Syria too on European soil :  

U.S. Will Station New Nuclear Weapons in Germany Against Russia


This is an infringement of Articles 1 and 2 of the Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons,” which is the treaty that provides non-nuclear states the assurance that the existing nuclear powers will not try to use their nuclear status so as to take over the world.


Russia retaliation :  

Russia Threatens To Deploy Ballistic Missiles In Retaliation For US Nuclear Escalation

Some random guy's comment :

The currently deployed US Army, and also Poland itself already operate the HIMARS rocket artillery system within Poland, and it can fire rapid-reload salvos of the precision-guided ATACMS ballistic missile.

HIMARS

MGM-140 ATACMS

The distance by road from Gdansk Poland to Kaliningrad is only 167 km, and that's not even a straight line. The straight-line distance is more like ~120 km.

The range of the rapid-firing HIMARS ATACMS missile is at least 300 km so it can already easily nail any target in Kaliningrad, including the Iskander launchers geolocated by mini UAVs, airborne standoff recon, and satellites.

The dopey Russians; firstly do not know they are total dopes, and pwned; and secondly, they never seem to know when they should keep their bloody trap shut. They can't help themselves but gloat like morons and look like idiots, in their vein attempt to be more than they really are. Now that they've openly made such a stupid threat against a NATO state, and prance about like utter morons, it just means a C-17A full of ATAMCS will be arriving shortly, and deployed all over NE Poland - for about the next 30 years or so.

To reinforce those that are already there.



Real clever bastards these Russians are. Your thoughts ?

max steel wrote:Russia retaliation :  

Russia Threatens To Deploy Ballistic Missiles In Retaliation For US Nuclear Escalation

Some random guy's comment :

The currently deployed US Army, and also Poland itself already operate the HIMARS rocket artillery system within Poland, and it can fire rapid-reload salvos of the precision-guided ATACMS ballistic missile.

HIMARS

MGM-140 ATACMS

The distance by road from Gdansk Poland to Kaliningrad is only 167 km, and that's not even a straight line. The straight-line distance is more like ~120 km.

The range of the rapid-firing HIMARS ATACMS missile is at least 300 km so it can already easily nail any target in Kaliningrad, including the Iskander launchers geolocated by mini UAVs, airborne standoff recon, and satellites.

The dopey Russians; firstly do not know they are total dopes, and pwned; and secondly, they never seem to know when they should keep their bloody trap shut. They can't help themselves but gloat like morons and look like idiots, in their vein attempt to be more than they really are. Now that they've openly made such a stupid threat against a NATO state, and prance about like utter morons, it just means a C-17A full of ATAMCS will be arriving shortly, and deployed all over NE Poland - for about the next 30 years or so.

To reinforce those that are already there.

Very funny guy himar atcm no differ. Ru lot smerch + cruise missle + iskander!

The funny? Iskandar THE monky 300km? No 2000+ km!

What are you trying to say ? Can atacms be shot down or not by russia in kaliningrad and what will they be using to shoot it down ? Is himar atacms a cruise missile ?

max steel wrote:What are you trying to say ? Can atacms be shot down or not by russia in kaliningrad and what will they be using to shoot it down ? Is himar atacms a cruise missile ?

No, HIMAR is a mobile rocket launcher (similar to iskander) with 6 GPS/INS guided ballistic missiles (ATACMS), shouldn't be to hard to shot down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIMARS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM-140_ATACMS

What we can use to shoot them down?

ATCMS is just a guided ballistic missile... most Russian short range systems can easily shoot them down... S-350, S-300, S-400, TOR, Pantsir-S1, BUK, would all destroy them easily.


the funny thing is that the Iskanders that will be located deep in Europe aimed at Poland will likely now be nukes and the amazing protection NATO is bringing Poland is nuclear death... welcome back to being the nuclear desert buffer state between the US and Russia that you were when you were part of the warsaw pact... stupid pion.

So.. The cold war day's are over. Everyone is concentrating on terrorists, they are the real problem these days, not Russia. Surprisingly even Russia is on on this whole stopping terrorists stuff one way or another. Why is NATO flat out refusing to work alongside Russia, China, Iran? why can't they swallow their pride and simply put their differences behind for a moment and unite to defeat terrorism? isn't that the logical thing to do? But instead we stand on the edge of a 3rd wold war because NATO is to damn stubborn to give Russia a chance where everyone else has failed. Russia isn't a threat to us so why are we treating them like they are? I'm British and if I had to choose between europe or Russia I would without a doubt stand side by side with Russia!

so folks, if a 3rd world war does happen, we can all thank our gov's for being such childish stubborn idiots, not Russia who will simply be defending them self.
Personally I think the root of this is Obama.

NATO has grown stubborn because they haven't faced a conventional and capable military power for quite a while. The Chinese alliance has also helped give Putin the power to leave America and her NATO allies flat-footed and strategically outmaneuvered at the other end of the continent.

the question is who are the persons behind B.O., and who put him in office, and who is behind them???

The Truth About Valerie Jarrett, Mystery Woman of the White House
The close adviser and friend of the Obamas is one of DC’s most powerful people—but what exactly does she do?

Published Jan. 31, 2014, at 10:06 a.m.

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/Felsenthal-Files/January-2014/The-Mysteries-and-Realities-of-Valerie-Jarrett-Mystery-Woman-of-the-White-House/

VALERIE JARRETT

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2418

Nato is so stubborn, because it refuses to admit that its outlived its purpose. When originally formed it had a mandate to defend western europe and north america against the threat of the soviet union. Since that threat has evaporated, it needs enemies to justify its existence, otherwise people are going to start asking why our eurocents and pennies are being sunk into this useless money pit that is defending us from a non existent threat.

Thats why nato seeks to provoke russia at any opportunity, look at the latest event with russian planes on the turkish border. The incident was cleared up between russian and turkish officials without any problems, yet nato continues to bleat about it using threatening language.

Unfortunately, people are easily taken in by this hysterical nonsense from nato, and so they will be around for the considerable future.