BUK SAM system Thread

GarryB wrote:Would add that S-350 is likely cheaper... the missiles are smaller and are weight customised, so when targets are detected in close the smaller missile can be used, while targets detected further out can be engaged with the larger missiles.

the S-350 will probably have more ready to fire missiles on each TEL, but like S-300P it wont have the mobility of the tracked army systems or response times because the airforce systems are optimised as shelterised systems for use on large airfields and other fixed locations, while the army systems are intended to defend forces moving cross country and either firing on the move or from a short halt.

The Navy will likely introduce the S-350, but will also have the Shtil-1 for export and some domestic gap filler vessels (ie Russian talwars might have Shtil (BUK) or S-350).

All three branches will be ordering and having in service enormous numbers of SAM missiles so the economies of large production batches applies even if they all have different missiles.

TheArmenian wrote:
Garry,
The S350 is actually more expensive because of the active homing. Buk is command guided.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:@flaming and @Viktor

Thanks again  so requirements for Army and ASF are so different that one set of missiles cannot do?

Preparation for mass production of a new anti-aircraft missile system of medium-range "Buk-M3" has begun in Russia.
"The design documentation developed by now complex is already in preparation for mass production", - said Tass.

"Buk-M3" maintains a radar-fire and the architecture of previous versions (M1 / M1-2 / m2), but uses a completely new anti-aircraft missile interceptors 9M317M, which by design is unified with the Marine version 9M317ME complex "Calm-1." The only difference is that the naval version of SAM uses SPMs and land - transport and inclined launchers, each of which can take 6-12 SAM 9M317ME thus only 6 PU SDA can take the amount of ammunition and 72 rockets (in the same complex) .

These missiles are more perfect, equipped ARGSN, and therefore able to act according to the method of "fire and forget", their much greater flexibility is achieved by using not only the aerodynamic control surfaces, but also the gas-dynamic "zone" control (DPU), which, in all probability, will be able to ensure a rocket hit "hit-to-kil" (kinetic interception of a direct hit), 9M317M missiles can hit targets at a distance of 70 km altitude - around 40,000 meters and at speeds of up to 3000 m / s, the speed of the rocket is very close to that of C 300PMU-2 "Favorit" and is 1550 m / s.

Complex "Buk-M3" has become "smarter" S-300PS. Considering that the surveillance radar "Dome" is working in the SM-range and can provide target designation homing missiles 9M317M, the number of target channels of the complex increased from 24 to 36 and a set way to handle the most complex list of IOS enemy and protect the ground forces of the merciless blows of tactical aviation enemy attacks missile systems of small and medium-range type ATACMSi others.

According to fire tests of May 2015 it reported that a promising anti-aircraft missile systems "Buk-M3" is the probability of hitting the aerodynamic purposes of the order of 0.99. The new system will start to be delivered to the military air defense in late November 2015 and will be a system whose parameters are comparable with a new and expensive set of "Hero" in the long term development of the version of "Buk-M4", which is expected to reach the space frontier.

Austin wrote: "Buk-M3" goes to series

According to fire tests of May 2015 it reported that a promising anti-aircraft missile systems "Buk-M3" is the probability of hitting the aerodynamic purposes of the order of 0.99. The new system will start to be delivered to the military air defense in late November 2015 and will be a system whose parameters are comparable with a new and expensive set of "Hero" in the long term development of the version of "Buk-M4", which is expected to reach the space frontier.

sepheronx wrote:Whats the point working on both systems then if the new Buks are going to have similar performance (overlapping) in terms of the S-300 series?

GarryB wrote:

The new system will start to be delivered to the military air defense in late November 2015 and will be a system whose parameters are comparable with a new and expensive set of "Hero" in the long term development of the version of "Buk-M4", which is expected to reach the space frontier.

Hero being S-350... so the new BUK whose parameters are comparable with the new and expensive S-350... the BUK-M4 will reach space...

sepheronx wrote:Shtil defense system with these newer missiles would be leaps and bounds better than anything else is fielded. But not many ships in Rus navy are fielded with Shtil. Most are still using the arm launch systems of iglas or something else.

George1 wrote:Here says that 3 Buk-M2 were delivered this year

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1606666.html

Viktor wrote:

George1 wrote:Here says that 3 Buk-M2 were delivered this year

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1606666.html

3 BUK-M2 REGIMENTS !

George1 wrote:

Viktor wrote:

George1 wrote:Here says that 3 Buk-M2 were delivered this year

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1606666.html

3 BUK-M2 REGIMENTS !

so how many batteries?

sepheronx wrote:So why the M2 when M3 is now available?

sepheronx wrote:Whats the point working on both systems then if the new Buks are going to have similar performance (overlapping) in terms of the S-300 series?

Militarov wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Whats the point working on both systems then if the new Buks are going to have similar performance (overlapping) in terms of the S-300 series?

Somewhat like tanks in USSR. "Buk" shall be more capable, compliex and more expencive system, S350 shall be cheaper and easier to field in numbers system aimed at direct replacement of early S300 models.

George1 wrote:

Militarov wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Whats the point working on both systems then if the new Buks are going to have similar performance (overlapping) in terms of the S-300 series?

Somewhat like tanks in USSR. "Buk" shall be more capable, compliex and more expencive system, S350 shall be cheaper and easier to field in numbers system aimed at direct replacement of early S300 models.

Buk systems are for Ground Forces, S350 for Aerospace Forces

George1 wrote:

Militarov wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Whats the point working on both systems then if the new Buks are going to have similar performance (overlapping) in terms of the S-300 series?

Somewhat like tanks in USSR. "Buk" shall be more capable, compliex and more expencive system, S350 shall be cheaper and easier to field in numbers system aimed at direct replacement of early S300 models.

Buk systems are for Ground Forces, S350 for Aerospace Forces

MOSCOW, December 11. /TASS/. The Russian Armed forces will receive in 2016 the first set of the newest air defense missile system Buk-M3, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said on Friday. Read also US test launches anti-ballistic missile over Pacific as part of its European Shield plans Russia puts several S-400 air defense systems on combat duty in north-western region Russia, US move along same track to build up smart weapons potentials Russia successfully tests new cruise missile launch system for strategic bombers US claims Russia tests missile threatening Europe, Northeast Asia "For the general purpose forces: the task is to supply to the Army two brigade sets of the Iskander-M missile system and Tornado-S multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) each, as well as one brigade set of the Buk-M3 air defense missile system," the minister said at the Defense Ministry’s collegium meeting devoted to the results of the outgoing year.