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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:54 am



    And one more

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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:55 am

    Great find Austin, thanks.

    Russian Army celebrates day of military intelligence

    Today, the Russian Federation Armed Forces Day is celebrated military intelligence. In 1918, on this day in the field headquarters of the Revolutionary Military Council was established Registration Department to coordinate all the intelligence agencies of the Red Army.

    It became the prototype currently in force the Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, an organ of the Foreign Intelligence Defense of Russia.

    Before and during the World War II military intelligence provided Supreme High Command of the General Staff of the Red Army information on the designs and plans of the political leadership and command of the German armed forces, the enemy's fighting capabilities.

    Military intelligence destroyed military targets of the enemy, tearing redeployment of troops and military equipment to the Soviet-German front. Victory Banner over the ruined Reichstag hoisted as military scouts - Sergeant M. Yegorov and Sergeant M. Kantaria.

    For courage and heroism in the performance of special tasks to ensure the national security of the country, more than 700 military intelligence officers were awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union and Hero of the Russian Federation.

    (Google translate)

    Read the rest here: http://www.spec-naz.org/news/246/v_vooruzhennykh_silakh_rossii_otmechaetsya_den_voennogo_razvedchika/
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    Post  medo Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:02 pm

    Mr.Kalishnikov47 wrote:

    And one more


    Interesting videos. Thanks.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:00 pm

    http://en.rian.ru/video/20121107/177267334.html

    This shows that Ratnik will be deployed by standard troops, not just elite forces... which is the way it should be.

    Obviously you want special gear for your special forces, but net centric stuff works best with everything part of the network.

    It seems to me that while artillery was popular in Russia before, that with this new gear it will become even more useful and effective once the command and control capability to call in artillery becomes so much quicker and easier.
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    Post  ricky123 Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:39 pm

    medo wrote:
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    i dint understand anything they were saying ... only at 1:26 he was mentioning Ipad i hope indians gets kits like this .
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    Post  Cyberspec Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:37 am

    GarryB wrote:http://en.rian.ru/video/20121107/177267334.html

    This shows that Ratnik will be deployed by standard troops, not just elite forces... which is the way it should be.

    In regular units yes but it seems mainly for recon/scout units within regular brigades. The infantry will probably get some of the stuff since I can't see every infantryman needing all the gadgets. The ones in the video are scouts.


    ricky123 wrote:i dint understand anything they were saying ... only at 1:26 he was mentioning Ipad i hope indians gets kits like this .

    My Russian is pretty crappy but they're talking about the features. Basically there's a camera (also connected to the rifle sight), sat-receiver and digital display. Whatever the scouts see goes directly to the unit HQ. There's no need for paper maps as coordinates are marked on the display. In the video artillery fire is called on a target via the new system...obviously more efficient and quicker than via the old method
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    Post  SWAT Pointman Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:54 am

    I thought the camera connected to the rifle sight was the most interesting feature. Definitely could save a soldiers life now that they can fire from concealment. The body armor being able to withstand 7.62x54R AP from 10 metres is also quite impressive. The question now is, what is a cheap way for the Russian soldier to have a weapon that can pierce the enemies body armor?
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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:47 am


    In regular units yes but it seems mainly for recon/scout units within regular brigades. The infantry will probably get some of the stuff since I can't see every infantryman needing all the gadgets. The ones in the video are scouts.

    Recon units will have extra features, but to be useful a net centric battle system is only as effective as its C4IR, and for the command and communications and control to work you need to be able to reach all your assets.

    All units need to be able to detect and mark targets and pass the info up the command chain and also receive orders etc.


    In computer terms it makes no sense to network some of your computers and not others. With all computers on the network then things like network storage and network printers and of course internet servers and email servers become rather more effective and efficient.

    Having commanders of recon units being able to call in artillery support is good, but having brigade commanders being able to do that too is useful as well.

    The body armor being able to withstand 7.62x54R AP from 10 metres is also quite impressive. The question now is, what is a cheap way for the Russian soldier to have a weapon that can pierce the enemies body armor?

    Note the standard body armour that weighs 7.5kgs will stop standard 7.62 x 54mm rounds from an SVD from 10m. You need the add on plates which will weigh extra to stop the AP rounds.
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    Post  Cyberspec Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:49 am

    Garry,

    I agree in principle but you have to take cost in consideration. They would need 100's of thousands of sets to equip everyone.
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    Post  SWAT Pointman Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:21 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    In regular units yes but it seems mainly for recon/scout units within regular brigades. The infantry will probably get some of the stuff since I can't see every infantryman needing all the gadgets. The ones in the video are scouts.

    Recon units will have extra features, but to be useful a net centric battle system is only as effective as its C4IR, and for the command and communications and control to work you need to be able to reach all your assets.

    All units need to be able to detect and mark targets and pass the info up the command chain and also receive orders etc.


    In computer terms it makes no sense to network some of your computers and not others. With all computers on the network then things like network storage and network printers and of course internet servers and email servers become rather more effective and efficient.

    Having commanders of recon units being able to call in artillery support is good, but having brigade commanders being able to do that too is useful as well.

    The body armor being able to withstand 7.62x54R AP from 10 metres is also quite impressive. The question now is, what is a cheap way for the Russian soldier to have a weapon that can pierce the enemies body armor?

    Note the standard body armour that weighs 7.5kgs will stop standard 7.62 x 54mm rounds from an SVD from 10m. You need the add on plates which will weigh extra to stop the AP rounds.
    Yeah, that's even more weight for the soldier to be carrying around. Too much weight can get you killed on the battlefield.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:41 am

    Garry,

    I agree in principle but you have to take cost in consideration. They would need 100's of thousands of sets to equip everyone.

    Indeed it will, but then you need to keep in mind that these sets are made up of equipment, most of which the soldiers already carry. By making it modular and producing it in large numbers for all soldiers in every role they should end up getting very good value for money as well as kit optimised to de an excellent job.

    Note putting thermal imagers in rifle scopes will also be expensive and giving all soldiers a night vision monocular they can also use as a helmet mounted sight or a weapon scope wont be cheap either, but that is the plan for the future.

    Mass production should bring down prices and full deployment should result in an enormous improvement in performance.

    Yeah, that's even more weight for the soldier to be carrying around. Too much weight can get you killed on the battlefield.

    They are called Flak jackets for a very good reason... the greatest danger on the battlefield is fragments... very few soldiers will wear full heavy armour... they just don't need it most of the time. Anti sniper systems for detecting small arms fire should limit losses to enemy snipers and for normal combat the standard vest should be fine.
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    Post  medo Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:43 pm

    http://www.lenta.ru/news/2012/11/22/artillery/

    Artillery units in Southern military district in 2012 received 300 new and modernized peaces of equipment, between them 40 MSTA-S, 20 ATGM complexes Kornet and more than 70 MLRS Grad and Tornado.

    I wonder if those Kornets are portable ones or self propelled ones on BMP-3 chassis.
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    Post  George1 Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:34 pm

    medo wrote:http://www.lenta.ru/news/2012/11/22/artillery/

    Artillery units in Southern military district in 2012 received 300 new and modernized peaces of equipment, between them 40 MSTA-S, 20 ATGM complexes Kornet and more than 70 MLRS Grad and Tornado.

    I wonder if those Kornets are portable ones or self propelled ones on BMP-3 chassis.

    οr on Tigr maybe
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    Post  Cyberspec Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:37 am

    medo wrote:I wonder if those Kornets are portable ones or self propelled ones on BMP-3 chassis.

    Should be the self propelled version since they're talking about Artillery units.
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    Post  Zivo Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:12 pm

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    Production crew for this video, hopefully they feature BMPT soon.
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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:11 pm

    Russia To Hold 60 Joint Events with Foreign Armies in 2013


    MOSCOW, December 1 (RIA Novosti) - Russian servicemen will hold over 60 joint events with their foreign colleagues in 2013, a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry has said.
    “Great attention in the academic year 2013 [starting December 1] will be paid to international military cooperation,” the spokesman told journalists.
    “In line with agreements with armies of foreign states, more than 60 joint tactical training activities are due to be held,” he said.
    The spokesman added that the focus will be on strengthening military cooperation with states members of the CIS - a loose association of former Soviet republics - and the regional alliances named the Collective Security Treaty Organization and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.


    http://en.rian.ru/military_news/20121201/177850880.html
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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:40 am

    In the Moscow region has passed the stage of testing new equipment "warrior"

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201212051842-tht9.htm

    December 5 in Moscow has passed the stage of testing new equipment, "Warrior." Set of sixth-grade protection tested for strength. Sniper hit the target with the attached body armor. Weapon - a rifle Dragunov distance - ten meters. Muzzle velocity was 830 meters per second. But even at close range, "Warrior" could not break through. On the cover plate was only a dent. addition, fighters Reconnaissance tried a new form in the field. In combat missions clothing should be durable and at the same time does not restrict movement. Testing of the new equipment will last into next year. It is expected that it will be adopted in 2014.

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    Post  Zivo Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:36 am

    It's certainly an improvement.

    Just curious, what are the strap looking things on the sides of the vest below the belt?

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    Post  medo Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:54 pm

    medo wrote:http://www.lenta.ru/news/2012/11/22/artillery/

    Artillery units in Southern military district in 2012 received 300 new and modernized peaces of equipment, between them 40 MSTA-S, 20 ATGM complexes Kornet and more than 70 MLRS Grad and Tornado.

    I wonder if those Kornets are portable ones or self propelled ones on BMP-3 chassis.

    Russian Ground Forces: News #1 - Page 17 Kornet10

    If they received 20 Kornet complexes in such configuration, I wonder if it is able to use new Kornet-EM missile with 10 km range or 8 km range in HEAT version? The box for missile guidance equipment is big enough to host the new one from Tigr Kornet-EM.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:27 am

    I would suspect if it is ready for production they might use the EM model, but later on of course these BMP-3 based vehicles will be replaced with Armata, Kurganets, and Boomerang models, which will almost certainly use the EM model Kornet.
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    Post  medo Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:11 pm

    GarryB wrote:I would suspect if it is ready for production they might use the EM model, but later on of course these BMP-3 based vehicles will be replaced with Armata, Kurganets, and Boomerang models, which will almost certainly use the EM model Kornet.

    In my opinion Armata, Kurganets and Boomerang will be around in any significant number after 10 years of time, so in the mean time BMP-3 based Kornets will do just fine. Also in more than 10 years, there are good possibilities, that new generation of ATGMs will be developed and which will more probably be installed on those new vehicles. BMP-3 platform is good option for EM missile use, far better than portable launcher.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:58 am

    At just over 30kgs per missile the Kornet is too heavy to be considered man portable... you basically need a vehicle of some sort to move around with such a system. Ataka/Shturm/Krisantema are even heavier.

    I rather suspect the man portable ATGM will remain the METIS-M1 (AT-13 Saxhorn) at 2km range, and the Kornet will replace the AT-5 in vehicle based applications.

    There was talk of a new system called Baikal but no information is available.

    There are also rumours of guidance kits for RPGs like the RPG-32 with different rockets that can be attached to replace all the RPO and RGSh type launchers.

    ie more sophisticated sights that can have different rockets attached to them for launch.
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    Post  TR1 Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:30 am

    http://russiandefpolicy.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/a-conscripts-year/#comments

    Was hoping Python could comment on this- you served in an "remote" unit as well correct?

    Bathe once a month? Lice ridden underwear?
    Is this guy embellishing?
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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:01 am

    Even he admits that when a new officer took over the unit that things improved... this is clearly not a Russian military problem or a remoteness problem, but a bad leadership problem.

    Interested to hear your comments though FP.
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    Post  TR1 Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:14 am

    http://twower.livejournal.com/942419.html

    Shoigu wants to equip every garrison with showers by the end of 2013.
    The issue is many old, remote, garrisons rely on weekly bath, and even have issues with hot water.
    Hard to say if this will happen before 2013 is up, but suffice it to say, this is far more important for the army than an extra 500 tanks.

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