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    Russian Ground Forces: News #1

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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:41 am

    Garry,

    I agree in principle but you have to take cost in consideration. They would need 100's of thousands of sets to equip everyone.

    Indeed it will, but then you need to keep in mind that these sets are made up of equipment, most of which the soldiers already carry. By making it modular and producing it in large numbers for all soldiers in every role they should end up getting very good value for money as well as kit optimised to de an excellent job.

    Note putting thermal imagers in rifle scopes will also be expensive and giving all soldiers a night vision monocular they can also use as a helmet mounted sight or a weapon scope wont be cheap either, but that is the plan for the future.

    Mass production should bring down prices and full deployment should result in an enormous improvement in performance.

    Yeah, that's even more weight for the soldier to be carrying around. Too much weight can get you killed on the battlefield.

    They are called Flak jackets for a very good reason... the greatest danger on the battlefield is fragments... very few soldiers will wear full heavy armour... they just don't need it most of the time. Anti sniper systems for detecting small arms fire should limit losses to enemy snipers and for normal combat the standard vest should be fine.
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    Post  medo Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:43 pm

    http://www.lenta.ru/news/2012/11/22/artillery/

    Artillery units in Southern military district in 2012 received 300 new and modernized peaces of equipment, between them 40 MSTA-S, 20 ATGM complexes Kornet and more than 70 MLRS Grad and Tornado.

    I wonder if those Kornets are portable ones or self propelled ones on BMP-3 chassis.
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    Post  George1 Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:34 pm

    medo wrote:http://www.lenta.ru/news/2012/11/22/artillery/

    Artillery units in Southern military district in 2012 received 300 new and modernized peaces of equipment, between them 40 MSTA-S, 20 ATGM complexes Kornet and more than 70 MLRS Grad and Tornado.

    I wonder if those Kornets are portable ones or self propelled ones on BMP-3 chassis.

    οr on Tigr maybe
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    Post  Cyberspec Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:37 am

    medo wrote:I wonder if those Kornets are portable ones or self propelled ones on BMP-3 chassis.

    Should be the self propelled version since they're talking about Artillery units.
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    Post  Zivo Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:12 pm

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    Production crew for this video, hopefully they feature BMPT soon.
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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:11 pm

    Russia To Hold 60 Joint Events with Foreign Armies in 2013


    MOSCOW, December 1 (RIA Novosti) - Russian servicemen will hold over 60 joint events with their foreign colleagues in 2013, a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry has said.
    “Great attention in the academic year 2013 [starting December 1] will be paid to international military cooperation,” the spokesman told journalists.
    “In line with agreements with armies of foreign states, more than 60 joint tactical training activities are due to be held,” he said.
    The spokesman added that the focus will be on strengthening military cooperation with states members of the CIS - a loose association of former Soviet republics - and the regional alliances named the Collective Security Treaty Organization and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.


    http://en.rian.ru/military_news/20121201/177850880.html
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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:40 am

    In the Moscow region has passed the stage of testing new equipment "warrior"

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201212051842-tht9.htm

    December 5 in Moscow has passed the stage of testing new equipment, "Warrior." Set of sixth-grade protection tested for strength. Sniper hit the target with the attached body armor. Weapon - a rifle Dragunov distance - ten meters. Muzzle velocity was 830 meters per second. But even at close range, "Warrior" could not break through. On the cover plate was only a dent. addition, fighters Reconnaissance tried a new form in the field. In combat missions clothing should be durable and at the same time does not restrict movement. Testing of the new equipment will last into next year. It is expected that it will be adopted in 2014.

    (Google translate)

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    Post  Zivo Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:36 am

    It's certainly an improvement.

    Just curious, what are the strap looking things on the sides of the vest below the belt?

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    Post  medo Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:54 pm

    medo wrote:http://www.lenta.ru/news/2012/11/22/artillery/

    Artillery units in Southern military district in 2012 received 300 new and modernized peaces of equipment, between them 40 MSTA-S, 20 ATGM complexes Kornet and more than 70 MLRS Grad and Tornado.

    I wonder if those Kornets are portable ones or self propelled ones on BMP-3 chassis.

    Russian Ground Forces: News #1 - Page 17 Kornet10

    If they received 20 Kornet complexes in such configuration, I wonder if it is able to use new Kornet-EM missile with 10 km range or 8 km range in HEAT version? The box for missile guidance equipment is big enough to host the new one from Tigr Kornet-EM.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:27 am

    I would suspect if it is ready for production they might use the EM model, but later on of course these BMP-3 based vehicles will be replaced with Armata, Kurganets, and Boomerang models, which will almost certainly use the EM model Kornet.
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    Post  medo Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:11 pm

    GarryB wrote:I would suspect if it is ready for production they might use the EM model, but later on of course these BMP-3 based vehicles will be replaced with Armata, Kurganets, and Boomerang models, which will almost certainly use the EM model Kornet.

    In my opinion Armata, Kurganets and Boomerang will be around in any significant number after 10 years of time, so in the mean time BMP-3 based Kornets will do just fine. Also in more than 10 years, there are good possibilities, that new generation of ATGMs will be developed and which will more probably be installed on those new vehicles. BMP-3 platform is good option for EM missile use, far better than portable launcher.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:58 am

    At just over 30kgs per missile the Kornet is too heavy to be considered man portable... you basically need a vehicle of some sort to move around with such a system. Ataka/Shturm/Krisantema are even heavier.

    I rather suspect the man portable ATGM will remain the METIS-M1 (AT-13 Saxhorn) at 2km range, and the Kornet will replace the AT-5 in vehicle based applications.

    There was talk of a new system called Baikal but no information is available.

    There are also rumours of guidance kits for RPGs like the RPG-32 with different rockets that can be attached to replace all the RPO and RGSh type launchers.

    ie more sophisticated sights that can have different rockets attached to them for launch.
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    Post  TR1 Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:30 am

    http://russiandefpolicy.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/a-conscripts-year/#comments

    Was hoping Python could comment on this- you served in an "remote" unit as well correct?

    Bathe once a month? Lice ridden underwear?
    Is this guy embellishing?
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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:01 am

    Even he admits that when a new officer took over the unit that things improved... this is clearly not a Russian military problem or a remoteness problem, but a bad leadership problem.

    Interested to hear your comments though FP.
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    Post  TR1 Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:14 am

    http://twower.livejournal.com/942419.html

    Shoigu wants to equip every garrison with showers by the end of 2013.
    The issue is many old, remote, garrisons rely on weekly bath, and even have issues with hot water.
    Hard to say if this will happen before 2013 is up, but suffice it to say, this is far more important for the army than an extra 500 tanks.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:38 am

    Many old remote farms in New Zealand don't have hot water either... except collected rain water that is heated by wetback attached to the fire place.

    I am sure the odd Russian village also has such rudimentary facilities and therefore any soldiers based there will have similar rustic facilities too.

    I agree it is something that needs attention before they go replacing perfectly good rifles etc.
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    Post  TR1 Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:41 am

    The problem is its not just some random remote outpost in in the middle of Siberia....but in many big garrisons across the country, that are not "new" builds.
    How they expect young people to serve today in such conditions is absurd.
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    Post  TR1 Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:51 pm

    Right, so young people are expected to throw out a significant portion of time to live in far crappier conditions than they have at home, for lower pay, (in some cases having to do basic chores instead of actual military training because reform in that sense is still far from compelete) on the basis...of...what? Patriotism? Lol good luck with that.

    There is a reason the Russian mil is well under its current nominal 1 million man mark: contract service is not attractive enough + many draft dodge.
    For a damn good reason. It ain't working.

    It is 2012. Soldiers are expected to man S-400s and Armata's and yet have to rely on a weekly banya?
    That's not even sanitary.
    These are not the cannon fodder of the past centuries.

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    Post  Cyberspec Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:43 am

    TR1 wrote:Right, so young people are expected to throw out a significant portion of time to live in far crappier conditions than they have at home, for lower pay, (in some cases having to do basic chores instead of actual military training because reform in that sense is still far from compelete) on the basis...of...what? Patriotism? Lol good luck with that.

    There is a reason the Russian mil is well under its current nominal 1 million man mark: contract service is not attractive enough + many draft dodge.
    For a damn good reason. It ain't working.

    It is 2012. Soldiers are expected to man S-400s and Armata's and yet have to rely on a weekly banya?
    That's not even sanitary.
    These are not the cannon fodder of the past centuries.


    You know this out of personal experience or from reading BS articles Question You wash every evening before going to bed, not just the weekly banya. FYI, there is a morning inspection by the duty officer. If you stink, appear scruffy/unshaven or your weapon is dirty there will be hell to pay....I'm pretty sure that is the routine in the Russian Army as well. Problems arise when in some non-combat units, officers allow slack discipline.



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    Post  Austin Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:07 am

    Russian Defense Procurement Contracts in October-November 2012

    Mikhail Lukin, Kommersant Publishing House

    On October 5 the government completed the placement of orders, and on October 25 released information about the actual contract for improving the database about the Russian soldiers who were killed or went missing during World War II and during the immediate post-war period (Memorial database). Deliverables under the contract include: processing (including scanning and optical character recognition) of 1,379,909 archive documents and entering the information contained in them into the Memorial database; merging all the new information with the data entered into the database in 2007-2011 (information about a total of 29,018,843 persons, and 13.7m electronic documents, for a total of 28 TB of data); and hosting the Memorial database on the customer’s software and hardware.

    The value of the contract, which was awarded to ZAO Elektronnyy Arkhiv (Electronic Archive), is 40,845,000 roubles (just below the starting price of 40,845,306.4 roubles). Bids for the contract were invited on July 27. There was one other bidder, ZAO NPO Opyt.

    On October 15 the government released information about the execution of a contract for 31 BTR-80 APCs, to be delivered to the Russian Ministry of Interior. The contract, worth 346,766,174.55 roubles (unit price 11,186,005.63 roubles), was awarded to OOO Voenno-Promyshlennaya Kompaniya (Military-Industrial Company), which was the sole bidder in the auction held on March 27.

    The contract itself was announced on February 15, 2012.

    On October 26 the government released information about a contract for an extendable towed hydroacoustic antenna of the MGK-540 complex used on submarines. The contract was announced on September 10, 2012. It was awarded to the sole bidder, OAO Vodtranspribor (St Petersburg), at the starting price of 30,900,000 roubles.

    Under the terms of the contract, the antenna should be delivered to the Pacific Fleet by November 25, 2013. The manufacturer provides a 4-year warranty period, with a minimum of 9,600 hours of operation.

    On October 31 the government announced an open electronic auction for six sets of a multirole training complex for scuba divers. The starting (maximum) price of the contract is 801,333,810 roubles (unit price 133,555,635 roubles). The supplier is required to deliver two sets apiece in 2013, 2014 and 2015 to the Navy Rescue Equipment Warehouse at the 3rd Complex Storage Base in Vologda.

    The functionality of the complex includes training in the following areas: basic diver training; underwater shooting; free drops from a helicopter; using salvage pontoons; training the pilots of remote-controlled submersibles; and therapeutic recompression.

    The open auction was scheduled for December 10, 2012.

    On November 15 the government released information about a contract for the Avtomatizm operational and tactical navy simulator, which is used to model and display operational-and-tactical situations. The contract was announced on October 5.

    It was awarded at the starting price of 49m roubles to the St Petersburg Institute of Automation, a state-owned research institution. The simulator is to be delivered to the town of Partizansk, Maritime Territory.

    On October 25 the government completed the placement of the order and declared the failure of an open competition for flight testing and operation of the Resurs-P No 1 spacecraft using MoD systems (under the Resurs-P (LI) R&D project). The order is part of an R&D project to develop an optical-electronic complex for studying the Earth’s natural resources, and a space system based on that complex.

    The winner of the contract was to operate the Resurs-P satellite during its flight tests for a period of 90 days. The deadline for deliverables under the contract was set for May 31, 2012. The starting price of the contract was set at 56,250,000 roubles. The only bidder was FGUP TsENKI.

    On October 29 the government announced the decision not to sign an MoD contract for the disposal of small arms and close-combat weapons in 2012. The contract, which was announced on August 10, was worth 97,631,848.78 roubles. It consisted of two lots:

    Disposal of 205,483 assault rifles; 3,975 hand-held grenade launchers; 338,855 pistols; and 344 mounted grenade launchers, for a total of 76,794,333.23 roubles.

    Disposal of 98,588 assault rifles and submachine guns; 21,356 pistols and revolvers; 49 rifles, carbines and guns; and 2,323 machineguns, for a total of 20,837,515.55 roubles.

    The government later announced the failure of the competition for the contract because one of the two participating bidders, OAO Molot Vyatsko-Polyansky Machinery Plant, was disqualified.

    On October 30 the government announced a contract for the disposal of 9M27K3 rocket-propelled ammunition for the Uragan MLR system in 2012-2013 (the ammunition has cluster warheads with PFM-1S anti-personnel mines).

    The starting price of the contract was set at 149,700,320 roubles. There was a total of 4,466 pieces of 220mm ammunition to be disposed of (which translates into a unit price of 33,520 roubles). There was also a specific technological requirement regarding the disposal process. The entire process, starting from the removal of the ammo from its shelf and ending with the destruction of the warhead, had to be completed within an hour due to the danger of the self-destruct mechanism going off. Another difficulty was that the ammunition was old and some of the plastic shells of the mines had developed cracks, with the VS-6D liquid explosive leaking out.

    The only bidder for the contract was ZAO Forpost Baltiki Plyus. Minutes from the opening of the sealed bids were released on November 30. The government then announced the failure of the competition for the contract.

    In October and November the government released information about two MoD contracts for several types of satellite communication stations, worth a total of 960,187,251.5 roubles, including:

    11 R-441-OV satellite communication stations worth 470,851,771.5 roubles (unit price 42,804,706.5 roubles);

    16 R-439-MD2 satellite communication stations worth 489,335,480 roubles (unit price 30,583,467.5 roubles).

    Both contracts have been awarded to the sole bidder, Radiosvyaz Research and Production Company, based in Krasnoyarsk. The deadline for deliveries is December 2013.

    On November 1 the government released information about an MoD contract for 14,197 PDA portable medical ventilators.

    The contract was signed at the starting price of 76,521,830 roubles (unit price 5,390 roubles) with OAO Tambovmash, which was the sole bidder, after a closed auction held on October 19. The contract itself was announced on September 24. The delivery deadline is December 2013.

    On November 8 the government released information about a contract for an Su-25SM combat aircraft simulator (model STBP-25SM). The contract has been awarded to ZAO Spetstekhnika (Dubna), which matched the starting price of 76,427,000 roubles. The delivery deadline is December 2013. The simulator is to be delivered to the 6972nd Guard 1st Rank Airbase in Krymsk, Krasnodar Territory.

    The contract was announced on October 1; the auction was held on October 25.

    On November 2 the government announced an open competition for a contract for the retrieval and disposal of space rocket components which are discarded after launch, and for cleaning up pollution in the areas where these components land. The contractor must retrieve components of Tsiklon, Soyuz, Molniya, and Topol rockets and clean up pollution in the Koyda, Olema, Siya, Pinega and Dvinskoy landing areas (Arkhangelsk Region), and Vashka, Voyvozh and Vazhgord areas (Komi Republic), which are used by the Plesetsk space launch center. The contract covers the period 2012-2014. A total of 100 retrieval and clean-up operations should be conducted, including 50 in 2012 and 25 apiece in 2013 and 2014.

    The starting price of the contract was set at 106,827,510.63 roubles. The winner was to be announced on December 17, 2012.

    On November 9 the government announced a contract to develop an imitator of signals emitted by new-generation satellite navigation systems, which will be used by a select group of users (code name Dubler).

    The R&D project includes the development of a versatile imitator of the existing and future signals of satellite navigation systems (GLONASS, GPS, GALILEO, and SBAS). These devices will be used by the MoD’s metrology centers to “test the performance of navigation equipment”. The contractor will be asked to develop a fixed-position and mobile versions of the device (models IS-P and IS-M, respectively). The device must be capable of imitating the carrier’s movement at an altitude of up to 150,000 km, at a speed of up to 11 km/sec and with an acceleration of up to 1 km/sec2.

    The starting price of the contract was set at 258m roubles. The winner was to be announced on December 14.

    On November 15 the government announced a contract for 82 navigation radar stations (models MR-231, 231-3 and 231-4), which are used on ships and submarines. The starting price of the contract was set at 326,038,010 roubles (an average of 3,976,073.3 roubles per set).

    The winner of the contract will be asked to deliver 25 sets in 2013, 28 in 2014, and 29 in 2015. Out of that number, 32 sets will be delivered to the Northern Fleet, 19 to the Pacific Fleet, 12 to the Caspian Flotilla, 10 to the Black Sea Fleet, and nine to the Baltic Fleet.

    The open auction was scheduled for December 14, 2012.

    On November 16 the government announced an MoD contract for 774 inflatable radar targets (models Ugolok-M1, M2 and M3), which are used as decoys to protect ships from anti-ship missiles with radar homing heads. The starting price of the contract was set at 413,689,470 roubles (for an average unit price of 534,482.5 roubles).

    Each product set includes two inflatable reflectors of radio waves; a device which deploys these reflectors from the ship; storage containers; and inflation balloons. The decoys can be deployed in an automatic or manual mode. The shelf life of the product is 10 years.

    The open auction to determine the winner was scheduled for December 14.

    On November 21 the government completed the placement of an order (by default) for 1,950 sets of Azart-P1 portable sixth-generation radio stations, to be delivered to the MoD. The product is used to provide automated reconnaissance transmissions and interference-resilient security transmissions for the tactical command-and-control tier.

    The starting price of the contract has been set at 518,289,018 roubles (unit price 265,789.24 roubles). The radio station supports simplex and duplex communication modes, as well as data transmission, positioning with the help of satellite navigation systems, pseudo-random frequency tuning, and automated entry of radio data using wired and wireless channels. Its communication range is at least 4km.

    The contract has been awarded to the sole bidder, OAO Angstrem Research and Production Company (Zelenograd). The radios are to be delivered to the 8th Mountain Brigade, the 33rd Mountain Brigade, and the 19th Motor Rifle Brigade (650 sets apiece) by July 1, 2013.

    The contract was announced on October 25; the auction was held on November 21.

    On November 21 the government completed the placement of an order (by default) for 5 TN-80 tabletop simulators used to train the gunners of BTR-60, BTR-70, BTR-80, BTR-80M, BTR-80S and BTR-80A APCs. The sole bidder for this contract, which was announced on October 25, was OAO Muromteplovoz. The starting price of the contract was set at 5.5m roubles (unit price 1.1m roubles). The deadline for final deliveries is November 25, 2013.

    According to the information provided in the contract announcement, the simulator consists of four computers (one for the instructor and three for the trainees), sighting unit simulators, earphone-headsets, and other periphery devices.

    On November 21 the government released 55 notifications about the upcoming open auctions for contracts to supply fuel to the MoD in the first quarter of 2013. The aggregate starting price of the contracts was set at 14,234,399,933.3 roubles.

    The MoD intends to place orders for 447,890 tonnes of fuel, including:

    770 tonnes of Premium Euro 95 petrol — 4 lots worth a total of 29,323,478.8 roubles (for an average of 38,082.44 roubles per tonne);

    4,690 tonnes of Regular 92 petrol — 11 lots worth a total of 163,019,976.35 roubles (for an average of 34,769.06 roubles per tonne);

    11,820 tonnes of DT Euro Class 4 arctic diesel fuel — 5 lots worth a total of 424,475,776.2 roubles (for an average of 35,911.66 roubles per tonne);

    91,680 tonnes of DT Euro Class 2,3 winter diesel fuel — 10 lots worth a total of 3,164,382,198.25 roubles (for an average of 34,515.51 roubles per tonne);

    93,110 tonnes of summer diesel fuel — 7 lots worth a total of 3,010,821,857.5 roubles (for an average of 32,336.18 roubles per tonne);

    181,250 tonnes of TS-1 aircraft kerosene — 11 lots worth a total of 5,608,175,295.3 roubles (for an average of 30,941.66 roubles per tonne);

    43,070 tonnes of RT jet fuel — 4 lots worth a total of 1,367,002,645.9 roubles (for an average of 31,739.09 roubles per tonne);

    21,500 tonnes of F-5 fuel oil — 3 lots worth a total of 467,198,705 roubles (for an average of 21,730.17 roubles per tonne).

    Bids were to be submitted by December 12, 2012. The open auction was scheduled for December 24.

    On November 27 the government completed the placement of an order (by default) for 156 hand grenades, to be delivered to the Interior Ministry. The starting price of the contract was set at 395,480.4 roubles. Deliverables include 51 PT grenades (unit price 2,962.4 roubles) and 105 instantaneous set-off smoke grenades (unit price 2,327.6 roubles).

    The sole bidder in an auction held on November 12 was OAO Applied Chemistry Research Institute.

    On November 28 the government released information about an MoD contract for 210 sets of R-309K-1 radio receiver devices (Variant 01, Modification 03, Series 01).

    The contract was awarded to OAO Radiy (based in the town of Kaslinsk, Chelyabinsk Region), which matched the starting price of 112,019,880 roubles (unit price 533,428 roubles per set). The delivery deadline is December 2013.

    Initial information about the contract was announced on October 18, 2012.

    On November 29 the government announced an MoD contract for 13 MR-232 Bussol-S fixed-position coastal radars. The starting price of the contract was set at 37,528,530 roubles (2,886,810 roubles per radar). Four of these radars are to be delivered to the Pacific Fleet, six to the Northern Fleet, two to the Baltic Fleet and one to the Black Sea Fleet. The radar must be capable of detecting objects such as a large anti-submarine ship at a distance of up to 19 nautical miles, and of automatically locking in to and tracking a minimum of 50 surface targets. The required minimum service life of the radar is 20 years, with at least 85,000 hours of operation.

    The open electronic auction has been scheduled for December 28, 2012. Delivery deadlines are in 2013-2015.

    On November 29 the government completed the placement of an order (by default) for 15 RTK-1 battalion-size tactical sets. The contract was announced on October 30, with a starting price of 55,308,840 roubles (3,687,256 roubles per set). Each set includes 80 standard devices for displaying light and medium targets, and 6 devices for erecting heavy targets; a distribution device; and a control station.

    Bids were submitted by OAO 58th Central Plant of Testing Range and Training Equipment and OAO Tulatochmash.

    On November 30 the government completed the placement of a contract (by default) for 27 sets of automated command and control sets used by Airborne Assault Troops (VDV) divisions (Product 83t851-12, standard automated module of field command and control stations). The contract was awarded to the sole bidder, OAO Communications and Control Systems Research Institute, after an open electronic auction held on November 7.

    The starting price of the contract was set at 721,768,266 roubles (unit price 26,732,158 roubles). Seven sets apiece are to be delivered to Novorossiysk, Pskov and Ivanovo, two to Ulyanovsk, and four to the town of Medvezhyi Ozera, Moscow Region.

    Each standard field command and control module must be capable of supporting up to 20 workstations equipped by a telephone, a videophone and other encoded data transmission networks; up to 25 four-wire telephone client sets; up to 16 four-wire portable telephone sets; videoconference capability for up to nine clients; demonstration of video on five projector screens; and document printing and scanning capability.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:15 pm

    TR1 wrote:http://russiandefpolicy.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/a-conscripts-year/#comments

    Was hoping Python could comment on this- you served in an "remote" unit as well correct?

    Bathe once a month? Lice ridden underwear?
    Is this guy embellishing?

    'Remote' is a relative word - our own base was remote relative to major settlements (we were out in the far-northern taiga after all); but our garrison settlement was only 3 km away (along with a couple other basis that were attached to it), and Severomorsk was only about 50km away and that's the HQ of the Northern Fleet.

    A lot of what he's saying does resonate - the rations, the day-to-day tasks, the part about doing civilian jobs, etc... Our base was still remote enough to have have few civilian workers; so a hell of jobs that are now being transferred to civilian personel (kitchen duty, snow-clearing, power-plant maintenance, building various things) were still being performed by conscripts.

    As for the hygiene - well we all had the banya once a week. The Sergeant-Major was very thorough about this; even if you were on duty on one of the posts 6 or 16km from the main base - you were temporarily relieved and came into the main base in order to get clean - and since the banya was hooked up to the boiler house - there was always hot water available.

    In the main barracks though - we only had cold water; because the elders/dedy didn't let us use the hot water for the first 6 months until they demobilised. There was a shower there; but we weren't allowed to use that either. Just before the older generation demobilised - our boiler broke; and so we were left with cold water after all; and all this throughout the 6-month Murmansk winter and our shit uniforms. It wasn't until near the end of the service that we collected enough berries from the forest for the NCOs to sell in the garrison, that enough 'money was earnt' for a new boiler to be bought for us. But hell who am I to complain - on the plus side we had a flat-screen plasma TV in the barracks TV room Twisted Evil

    No-one had any lice; fresh underwear/long-johns were issued by the Sergeant-Major once a week at the same time as the banya visit.

    But yeah some of what this guy is saying does sound a lot like BS. The lack of hygene sounds plausible, but I mean getting your teeth knocked out, getting beaten 'till you're bloody, getting 'cut' by some angry Tuvans? That wasn't even true 5-10 years ago - there are full-body inspections every morning; it's long been the practise and even if in many places a blind eye might be turned to some things or some BS explanations readily accepted for bruises and so on - any overt injury will result in a full investigation, a good possibility of the incident making it to military prosecution, and life for all the conscripts becoming a lot harder. If someone want to kick the shit out of somebody then he better do it with some water bottles or a thick towel wrapped around your fists - something that won't leave bruises or break any bones.

    And the story about the dedy taking the uniforms - that's just laughable man. Who the fk would want those Yudashkin PoS uniforms anyway? Very Happy
    In our unit it was the other way round; our guys were going around asking everyone from the older generation if they could swap them their old-style Flora uniforms just before they're demobilised.


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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:32 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:What a soft c..k whinger...what's next?...room service maybe.

    When I was in the Army, apart from the 10 minute mass weekly shower (during which the water frequently went from boiling hot to cold) we didn't have hot water all winter. We had to wash with cold water and sometimes in the field with snow.

    LoL tell me about it; what a whinger - this guy sounds like he had a great fucking time in his service compared to some others; there are still some units where you can get the living shit kicked out of you every week, humiliated & bullied daily and all the officers will just turn a blind eye to it. There are a lot less such units now of course and chances are you will end up in a reasonable place, but they are still around for the unlucky.

    Thankfully I didn't end up in one of those places and neither did he.

    Blisters on his feet? Awww...
    Personally, I got blisters on my hands, blisters on my legs, blood and cuts on my fingers from rush-sewing every evening, a chemical burn on my foot (don't ask how that happened), choked on some some sort of corrosive gas, contracted a respiratory virus/infection, had back muscle spasms, near frostbite on my ears and nearly broke a couple fingers a few occasions. And I think I got it pretty damn light really; all things considered it's a hell of a lot better than getting beaten by your own men.

    You sound like you got it pretty hard though man; washing in cold water and snow lol Very Happy

    Cyberspec wrote:You know this out of personal experience or from reading BS articles Question You wash every evening before going to bed, not just the weekly banya. FYI, there is a morning inspection by the duty officer. If you stink, appear scruffy/unshaven or your weapon is dirty there will be hell to pay....I'm pretty sure that is the routine in the Russian Army as well. Problems arise when in some non-combat units, officers allow slack discipline.

    You're quite right that is the pretty much the routine in the Russian military too. Brush your teeth and wash your feet in icy water every evening before lights-out (and wash & sow back on your collar guard onto your uniform every evening too, make sure rest of your field uniform is alright too). Then in the morning - teeth brush, shave, and so forth. Your feet are checked before you go to bed by the duty officer, you are checked for bruises and illnesses by your commanding officer and base medic in the morning, and your uniform, boots, whether you shaved or not, your hair length is all inspected before breakfast by your elder conscripts and you can get a few good kicks to the soles of your feet or a karate chop to your back collar if you don't do it right Smile
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:53 pm

    GarryB wrote:Even he admits that when a new officer took over the unit that things improved... this is clearly not a Russian military problem or a remoteness problem, but a bad leadership problem.

    Exactly. I had a similar experience in my unit too to the one in the article. A new vice commanding-officer took the post half-way into my service; and quickly a lot things got into shape, we started to get some weapon drills & training, several contract-servicemen who were getting drunk on their posts were threatened to be fired and their squad got punished because of them, our marching drills and skills which sucked were raised to acceptable levels, etc...
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    Post  TR1 Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:00 pm

    "In the main barracks though - we only had cold water; because the elders/dedy didn't let us use the hot water for the first 6 months until they demobilised. There was a shower there; but we weren't allowed to use that either. Just before the older generation demobilised - our boiler broke; and so we were left with cold water after all; and all this throughout the 6-month Murmansk winter and our shit uniforms. It wasn't until near the end of the service that we collected enough berries from the forest for the NCOs to sell in the garrison, that enough 'money was earnt' for a new boiler to be bought for us."


    This kind of stuff is rage inducing to read.
    Makes one wish for Stalinist-purges.
    Thanks for all the info btw.
    Suffice it to say, a lot of room for improvement...much more critical than buying an extra "Boreii" or extra S-400 battery.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:11 pm

    TR1 wrote:"In the main barracks though - we only had cold water; because the elders/dedy didn't let us use the hot water for the first 6 months until they demobilised. There was a shower there; but we weren't allowed to use that either. Just before the older generation demobilised - our boiler broke; and so we were left with cold water after all; and all this throughout the 6-month Murmansk winter and our shit uniforms. It wasn't until near the end of the service that we collected enough berries from the forest for the NCOs to sell in the garrison, that enough 'money was earnt' for a new boiler to be bought for us."


    This kind of stuff is rage inducing to read.
    Makes one wish for Stalinist-purges.
    Thanks for all the info btw.
    Suffice it to say, a lot of room for improvement...much more critical than buying an extra "Boreii" or extra S-400 battery.

    To be honest TR1; I wish my service was more hard-core, like the old days - what I went through was nothing in comparison Smile
    And at the end of the day we were fed, clothed, clean and so on - all the essentials. All the rest is non-essential in the military.

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