Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

TR1 wrote:

Rpg type 7v wrote:

TR1 wrote:

Rpg type 7v wrote:

TR1 wrote:You were right about one thing, the sustainer.

You were categorically wrong in every other sense.
Good job man!

i was right about everything ,you just wait a little

Yeah, I will wait while more rich customers buy the Pantsir.

If only they knew the truth!

egypt and some others got upgraded s-125s ,thats a better value for money.

Jesus Christ.
Pantsir and S-125 are in no way compatible. In function, in role, in capability.

You know what is funny? More nations bought Pantsir than the Pechora S-125 upgrade.

they are if we start comparing in prices ,and you get more out of Neva then overpriced pantcir you got that right.
What nations?

TR1 wrote:

Rpg type 7v wrote:

TR1 wrote:

I will quote this again for our friend.

Look at that range and ballistic quality!

Much better than Gepard and earlier too!

Omg! ZSU-57 also, Gepard was a crappy copy of it ;(

zsu-57 is a failed project and got whitdrawn unlike some other types of shorad .
besides they all lack mobility of gepard

Most German Gepard's are withdrawn.

Guess they are failures.

gepards are 40 yrs old man ,its about time and normal that they are replaced with something more modern

Rpg type 7v wrote:

TR1 wrote:

Rpg type 7v wrote:

TR1 wrote:

Rpg type 7v wrote:

TR1 wrote:You were right about one thing, the sustainer.

You were categorically wrong in every other sense.
Good job man!

i was right about everything ,you just wait a little

Yeah, I will wait while more rich customers buy the Pantsir.

If only they knew the truth!

egypt and some others got upgraded s-125s ,thats a better value for money.

Jesus Christ.
Pantsir and S-125 are in no way compatible. In function, in role, in capability.

You know what is funny? More nations bought Pantsir than the Pechora S-125 upgrade.

they are if we start comparing in prices ,and you get more out of Neva then overpriced pantcir you got that right.
What nations?

1.) You have evidence that you get more out of Neva? Will you finally produce evidence that Pantsir is overpriced?
No? More empty statements?
2.) Russia, Syria, UAE, Algeria, Brazil, Iraq, potentially Jordan and Venezuela.
That enough for you? Pechora has done far worse. I woooonder why (even though the comparison is at best assinine, they are very different systems, even though Pechora is crap in just about eveyr parameter compared to Pantsir).

TR1 wrote:

Rpg type 7v wrote:

TR1 wrote:

Rpg type 7v wrote:

TR1 wrote:

Rpg type 7v wrote:

TR1 wrote:You were right about one thing, the sustainer.

You were categorically wrong in every other sense.
Good job man!

i was right about everything ,you just wait a little

Yeah, I will wait while more rich customers buy the Pantsir.

If only they knew the truth!

egypt and some others got upgraded s-125s ,thats a better value for money.

Jesus Christ.
Pantsir and S-125 are in no way compatible. In function, in role, in capability.

You know what is funny? More nations bought Pantsir than the Pechora S-125 upgrade.

they are if we start comparing in prices ,and you get more out of Neva then overpriced pantcir you got that right.
What nations?

1.) You have evidence that you get more out of Neva? Will you finally produce evidence that Pantsir is overpriced?
No? More empty statements?
2.) Russia, Syria, UAE, Algeria, Brazil, Iraq, potentially Jordan and Venezuela.
That enough for you? Pechora has done far worse. I woooonder why (even though the comparison is at best assinine, they are very different systems, even though Pechora is crap in just about eveyr parameter compared to Pantsir).

I did make some calculations earlier you have to go read my posts not just foam when you see something you not like...
Brazil?? so russia ,syria and UAE ,just 3 countries ?
algire ,lybia ,syria ,belarus ,got petchora-m etc...
petchora the f-117 and f-16 killer is crap -the same radio command guidance but with much more powerful missile , this is a new hit and it got f-15 in lybia

Rpg type 7v wrote:

TR1 wrote:

Rpg type 7v wrote:

TR1 wrote:

Rpg type 7v wrote:

TR1 wrote:

Rpg type 7v wrote:

TR1 wrote:You were right about one thing, the sustainer.

You were categorically wrong in every other sense.
Good job man!

i was right about everything ,you just wait a little

Yeah, I will wait while more rich customers buy the Pantsir.

If only they knew the truth!

egypt and some others got upgraded s-125s ,thats a better value for money.

Jesus Christ.
Pantsir and S-125 are in no way compatible. In function, in role, in capability.

You know what is funny? More nations bought Pantsir than the Pechora S-125 upgrade.

they are if we start comparing in prices ,and you get more out of Neva then overpriced pantcir you got that right.
What nations?

1.) You have evidence that you get more out of Neva? Will you finally produce evidence that Pantsir is overpriced?
No? More empty statements?
2.) Russia, Syria, UAE, Algeria, Brazil, Iraq, potentially Jordan and Venezuela.
That enough for you? Pechora has done far worse. I woooonder why (even though the comparison is at best assinine, they are very different systems, even though Pechora is crap in just about eveyr parameter compared to Pantsir).

I did make some calculations earlier you have to go read my posts not just foam when you see something you not like...
Brazil?? so russia ,syria and UAE ,just 3 countries ?
algire ,lybia ,syria ,belarus ,got petchora-m etc...
petchora the f-117 and f-16 killer is crap -the same radio command guidance but with much more powerful missile , this is a new hit and it got f-15 in lybia

1.) Please post em again. I see nothing but silly conjecture, one that ignores reality.
2.) Let me help you count. Brazil, Russia, UAE, Syria, Algeria, Iraq. These are confirmed orders, with several more very likely.
Your Pechora-M list has some question marks. Note generally the Pantsir is bought by those who can afford something good. Why? Because it is an excellent system.
Pechora missile is huge compared to Pantsir, of course it has a few advantages - warhead, range. But Pantsir has massive advantages over Perchora- do you really need help figuring out what they are?
Either way Pechora is outdated, bare bones solution. Comparing it to a cutting edge SHORAD like Pantsir is dumb.

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:1. if you intend to fly around with F-35 looking for some Pancir-S1 than I guess F-35 will be dead before it finds anything

Nope , by definition ,air defence must have its search radars on to be effective and f-35 will be hard to detect for pantsyr.

No its does not. Big fail for you.

Information about the target will come to Pancir-S1, in the most cases and well in advance, from command posts like

Ranzir/Castelania/Bernaul/etc and the radar system directly attached to it or from higher echelon command post (Radar and ASU ones).

When target enters engagement envelope of Pancir-S1 it can turn on its radar and fire missiles at it.

This is the case under which Pancir-S1 will perform most of the time anywhere. It will be connected in integrated air defense

network. I really dont understand why do you persistently insist on one Pancir-S1 scenario when thats the least possible option to

happen. Let me ask you something.

Do you know the reason why integrated air defense solutions where developed?

Why do you expect any SAM system to work outside integrated air defense network.

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:2. same triangulation method can be used to find F-35 and at point when F-35 enters Pancir-S1 engagement envelope give order to shoot it down. This is no problem.

how will pantsyr triangulate an f-35 please? this is nonsense.

With the introduction of S-400 system in the Russian army even a 55K6 regimental command post can operate directly with passive

radar systems like Orion-Vega. When F-35 lights up his radar system it will shine like torch in the night. Information about it will

be passed out to Pancir-S1 command post and when it enters engagement envelope, Pancir-S1 will open fire.

More to it few Pancir-S1 can lay quiet for instance 10 miles away from the Pancir-S1 that will have its search radar turned on.

When F-35 goes for the kill, information about it can be passed on to the Pancir-S1 in ambush so they can open fire on an

unaware F-35. There are really huge range of different options.

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:3. F-35 has really small internal weapon bay where it does not carry no where near enough weaponry to penetrate even a single Pancir-S1. Its missiles/bombs would get shoot down and than F-35 itself.

Is this a joke, i has 2 big bays for a-g weapons 3 per bay to saturate pantsyr.
It depends on the crew of pantcir if the missiles will be destroyed ,but f-35 itself is untouchable unless its pilot is idiot and blunders completely ,it will have full power of aiming radar on him because its stealth and its hard to track so it will have some time to maneuver and get out of its kill zone 15-18km.

Nope its not a joke. It can carry some glide bombs like JDAM or JSOW or Paveway and that only one per bay in two bays.

Thats it. No more not less. So there is nothing much to fear. If F-35 wants to carry formidable array of weapons it will lose its

stealth. Besides we still dont know why are you debating F-35 vs Pancir-S1. Please answer this question as F-35 is not nearly finished

and has jet to overcome bumpy ride until is done.

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:4. Pancir-S1 can use natural hideout or camouflage nets to conceal its presence and work in passive mode or even on active

Its very limited in passive mode very narrow vision and imported thermal system whis is not even near the best in the world ,if it goes active its bye bye ...

Interesting that you fail to mention that big fail of yours about Pancir-S1 not being able to guide missiles on targets without

the use of only its optics. Well you seems to forget mistakes of yours quite easily. Dont you find that interesting.

Anyway Pancir-S1 has wide range of options beside using its own radar that will give it an idea of where to look for the

targets. So it can remain in passive mode and fire missiles at targets without them being alerted by Pancir-S1 presence.

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:5. F-35 can catch false decoy radar emissions and fall in the Pancir-S1 trap

Its an option ,it could also spend all its missiles on towed decoys of f-35...

If F-35 loads up with MALD it will loose its stealth or space that could be used to carry bombs etc. So its a win win situation for

Pancir-S1. Still because Pancir-S1 can work in a passive mode but still receive information about the situation in the air space

F-35 pilot will have no idea when to fire MALD but by the time he realizes that his plane is being tracked it may already be to late

for him and eject can be the only safe option as F-35 is not the most fastest or most maneuverable plane out there.

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:Like with everything else.

Its not easy for me to debate vs 5 non-objective guys .

Yes, you are the one who defined situation where quality of Pancir-S1 depends only of its ability to stand up all by itself to a

200 million $ fighter that does not exist jet, So much about objectivity. Still you persistently avoid to put Pancir-S1 in a

situation for which it is intended to. But we are the ones bein non-objective. Besides arguing with the 5 guys should tell you

something about objectivity by itself.

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:Provide links where it says it is lacking or flawed or even overpriced.

I have proved my point. There is the report on the very first page of this topic

But that has been widely discussed. You never even mentioned the first page until now - so there is no need to dig up graves.

You on the other hand mentioned all the other reasons but that. Reasons which are always non-objective and sometimes false same as

most of the ones on the first page.

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:And what is PANCIR-S1 today?

-Nothing special ,still a work in progress...

Well you are right up to a point. Pancir-S1 as all the rest weapons in the world is work is progress.

Still even in todays configuration it is the best and cheapest short range SAM in the world.

If you look at the Pancir-S1 delivered for Algeria you will notice a new radar on it. It is perhaps AESA and perhaps not - we dont

know jet but things will change in time and development will never end. Thing is that no other country in the world

can field such capability is what is important specially when working within Russian integrated air defense network.

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:What needs improving?

Jesus i repeat myself over and over , fire & forget capability /

1. Pancir-S1 does not need fire and forget missiles (I explained why)

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:What needs improving?

hiting targets that try to hide bellow horizon

2. Did you checked its range? Big fail! Another one.

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:What needs improving?

lower price

3. And is jet the cheapest one out there even now. Compare the prices of similar existing system and their amount until they reach

Pancir-S1 capability. You will find out that Pancir-S1 is by far the cheapest one out there as well as the rest of Russian equipment.

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:What needs improving?

aesa constant search of all sectors in lpi mode

4. It may already have AESA radar - we are not sure. Either way lpi or not lpi Russia has range of AESA radar systems that

will always be connected to Pancir-S1 command post. So you dont need to worry. Everything is fine.

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:What needs improving?

aim & guiding capability in all direction simultaniously

Well that would be nice capability to have indeed but we will have to wait for it a bit longer. No one possesses such

capability at the moment. Still when it comes to firing in all directions simultaneously Russia

is No1 in comparison with the rest.

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:What needs improving?

,better guns....etc.

No it does not. Guns are just fine.

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:-No radar is needed to fire missiles with optical guidance channel. Even a version of Pancir-S1 with single optical channel was made. Now you did not know that?

It does have to have send radio commands towards the missile and wide field of view so the missile will catch its signals so it will have wide lobes ,signal can be weak as the missile is near and get narrower and stronger the further its away but beam is in the direction of the target so it will be detectable...

But it does not need to have its search or shooting radar on and you said it does. Big fail.

Rpg type 7v wrote:Optical system can trace just 1 missile towards 1 target.

True but all the other system of such class can even with the use of its radar systems guide their missiles to only one target.

Pancir-S1 can guide 4x as many . Imagine the numbers needed to achieve such supremacy in repelling saturation attacks.

Only one battery of Pancir-S1 can simultaneously fire at 24 targets

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:That point is something vastly beyond your understanding. The primary mission of Pancir-S1 is to work with other air defense assets
and with radar coverage and aviation form a protective layer of air defense systems.
That includes vast amounts of different systems all working together under control of command post.

If you need to spend that much money on patcyr you wont have much left for other air defence SAMs

You are worried about the money but you have no problem placing 15 million $ Pancir-S1 against 200 million F-35

and you refuse to compare the prices of Pancir-S1 and the Patriot missile system LINK. Well you need money to buy anything. This price argument is the biggest fail of yours
even more than other false things you mentioned earlier. Nothing is cheap nowadays but still Russian equipment when it comes to
capability/price ratio is the best out there.

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:Of course ability to work alone, to repel areal attacks and ground even and to shoot multiple missiles at multiple targets and to make nightmares to any western planes planing to invade a country armed with the Pancir-S1 is just one of its many pluses.

You sound like you work in the advertisement department showing off all the strong points but hiding the weak..

Nope, you are totally wrong as usual. Im well aware about the things that would need improving about Pancir-S1 but the ones you are

mentioning have nothing to do with reality.

Rpg type 7v wrote:Missile is quite simple ,it is very fast no doubt but has its limitations.
Huge booster means large internal dead zone ,no sustainer , so second stage flies in a balistic path and has limited maneuvering capability with together its small finns-canarads.

Agree. There are things that needs to improve but same situation can be applied to any weapon system in the world no matter the

country and the system, dont you agree. Still no matter things that will/should improve Pancir-S1 missiles are still by far most

dangerous in their class as well as the system as a whole. So while its further development will surely continue, Pancir-S1

will despite all retain its crown as the best air defense in its class and the cheapest one too.

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:

Rpg type 7v wrote:Also few more things , pantcir missiles drop in speed on average 70m/s/s ,

Nope, you are wrong as usual - its 40m/sec

Im right, deceleration like acceleration is measured in meters per second squared m/s*s in time units , or m/sec during certain distance traveled.
besides its booster can accelerate it 1,3km /s for horizontal shot or 1,2 km/s for near vertical shot ,so it can vary also.

Deceleration is on average 40m/s per km, so it will be higher early on during its flight maybe 60 m/s per km. at 10km away that can be 500 m/s deceleration. Also the reason garry cant calculate right is because during booster cut-off the missile is already 1,2-1,5 km away so the speed of the second stage only then starts to drop.

even in garrys link they say - short ballistic delay during no-booster flight (40 m/s for 1 km of track)

You said average was 70 m/s per kilometer and I said it was 40 m/s per kilometer.

So I was right and you where wrong. So another big fail for you.

Rpg type 7v wrote:

Viktor wrote:So we are here talking about by far the most capable air defense system in the world and the cheapest one too.

So yes, we are here talking about the best and cheapest air defense system in its class.

TO summarize, he wants a bunch of either impractical or hugely expensive solutions....to make it more cost-effective?

Contradictions galore.

Have they shown a Pantsir with nakidka yet?

Moving on from this futile discussion, any news on 23Ya6 missile?

Less unintelligible blabbing, more news:

http://www.balancer.ru/sites/w/w/www.kbptula.ru/images/stories/kbp/news/2013/018.jpg

medo wrote:

Only TLAR system up to now is Tor. All others are either TEL or TELAR.

Ok what is pantcir then?

medo wrote:
And you want to teach me the meaning of TEL, TELAR and TLAR? AR in the end mean AND RADAR. TELAR means Transporter, Erector, Launcher And Radar.
S-300 is TEL, because it have to erect missiles in vertical position to launch them, but have radar on separate vehicle. Same go for the systems you mention. Because they have separated radar, they are stationary system, not mobile.

Ok.
I should have said S-300V

medo wrote:
For now they ordered 100 Pantsirs and will be more of them later. Production for RuAF for now is limited because of many foreign orders with UAE as primary customer, because it pay for development. Even Tor-M2 for now is ordered in smaller numbers. Is it bad system? No, they just order them in smaller batches.

Link please.

Well unlike out RPG friend, PVO General Victor Gumen is perfectly happy with Pancir-S1 confirming its

marketed specification while shooting down targets at its maximum range while on testing at Ashuluk.

Firings ZRPK "Shell-C" last night at the site Ashuluk


Calculations showed high skills and abilities to conduct combat operations in the difficult conditions. All the assigned targets destroyed at maximum distance. ZRPK "Shell-S" has once again proved its high efficiency and reliability.


MOSCOW, November 23 - RIA Novosti. Martial firing anti-aircraft missile and gun complex "Shell-C" were held at the Ashuluk range (Astrakhan region) in the framework of educational and methodical gathering of senior anti-aircraft missile troops of the Air Force, led by the Chief of Air Force SMP Major General Victor Gumen, the official said the administration press service of the Defense Ministry and the information on the Air Force, Lieutenant-Colonel Vladimir Deryabin.

"In Ashuluk range (Astrakhan region) in training and methodical collection management team defense missile troops of the Air Force, led by the chief of SMP Air Force Maj. Gen. Victor Gumen initial firings were held anti-aircraft missile and gun complex" C-Shell " - said Derjabin.

According to him, one of the crews of anti-aircraft missile regiments of the Eastern Military District received from JSC "PCU" six armored ZRPK "Shell-C" supplied as part of the state defense order, and successfully produced a live firing at air and ground targets using a rocket and cannon armament.


"Fighting fire produced at night by air targets simulating drones and high-precision weapons," - said the colonel.

He noted that during the shooting technique was perfected receiving ZRPK "Shell-C" of the industry and of the initial firings, as well as methods of loading missiles and cannon armament.

"Calculations showed high skills and abilities to conduct combat operations in the difficult conditions. All designated target destroyed at maximum distance. ZRPK" Shell-S "has once again proved its high efficiency and reliability, and the crews of the Eastern Military District - a willingness to use it in various conditions, "- said Derjabin.

Earlier it was reported that on Friday night was held in the procedure for transfer of the combat units of the Eastern Military District Air Defense Battalion of the six anti-aircraft missile and gun systems "Shell-C."



LINK

Viktor wrote:Well unlike out RPG friend, PVO General Victor Gumen is perfectly happy with Pancir-S1 confirming its

marketed specification while shooting down targets at its maximum range while on testing at Ashuluk.

Firings ZRPK "Shell-C" last night at the site Ashuluk


Calculations showed high skills and abilities to conduct combat operations in the difficult conditions. All the assigned targets destroyed at maximum distance. ZRPK "Shell-S" has once again proved its high efficiency and reliability.


MOSCOW, November 23 - RIA Novosti. Martial firing anti-aircraft missile and gun complex "Shell-C" were held at the Ashuluk range (Astrakhan region) in the framework of educational and methodical gathering of senior anti-aircraft missile troops of the Air Force, led by the Chief of Air Force SMP Major General Victor Gumen, the official said the administration press service of the Defense Ministry and the information on the Air Force, Lieutenant-Colonel Vladimir Deryabin.

"In Ashuluk range (Astrakhan region) in training and methodical collection management team defense missile troops of the Air Force, led by the chief of SMP Air Force Maj. Gen. Victor Gumen initial firings were held anti-aircraft missile and gun complex" C-Shell " - said Derjabin.

According to him, one of the crews of anti-aircraft missile regiments of the Eastern Military District received from JSC "PCU" six armored ZRPK "Shell-C" supplied as part of the state defense order, and successfully produced a live firing at air and ground targets using a rocket and cannon armament.


"Fighting fire produced at night by air targets simulating drones and high-precision weapons," - said the colonel.

He noted that during the shooting technique was perfected receiving ZRPK "Shell-C" of the industry and of the initial firings, as well as methods of loading missiles and cannon armament.

"Calculations showed high skills and abilities to conduct combat operations in the difficult conditions. All designated target destroyed at maximum distance. ZRPK" Shell-S "has once again proved its high efficiency and reliability, and the crews of the Eastern Military District - a willingness to use it in various conditions, "- said Derjabin.

Earlier it was reported that on Friday night was held in the procedure for transfer of the combat units of the Eastern Military District Air Defense Battalion of the six anti-aircraft missile and gun systems "Shell-C."



LINK

Hii viktor ,sorry for not answering to your posts its hard to keep track of everyone.
But i didnt find out any details about exercise , nore videos ,what were the targets? and their speeds? and course?...
Generals say many things. In Russia you have many crazy and chestbeating generals.

Pancir-S1 is truly the best short range air defense system. It is not as capable as TOR-M1/2 at shooting down maneuverable targets but

covers higher altitude and range than TOR and performers much batter under heavy ECM. Together they form the impregnable defenses for

saturation attacks. Both TOR and Pancir-S1 will receive more funds for further upgrades and modernizations. Both are competing

for the same market in the world. Media attacks on each other are frequent and brutal for those reasons and the only one who can truly

tell the difference is the Russian Army. Thats why you have so much testing going on for year after year with ever increasing ECM and

new harder to hit targets being applied coupled with constant Pancir-S1/Tor-M1 improvements. Thats why I dont think it is fair of you to

try to discredit Russian PVO General.

Who are you to tell that KBP Tula is lying that Russian General is lying? Pancir-S1 has been entrusted to protect S-400 system which

will form the basis of the Russian PVO. No one will lie there and only hard results under severe testing can earn Pancir-S1 such

reputation and position. Thats why it is selling in the world like there is no tomorrow and each of those buyers are conducting their

own testing confirming Russian army testing results and marketed producers specifications.

Algeria: 38

Brasil: 24

Iraq: 42-50

Russia: 100

Syria: 36-50

UAE: 50 + 28

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All in all: 254 - 340 fire units

and you have Venezuela and India as most likely buyers with many more to come.

So you are saying that all others are stupid and all those states that has bought Pancir-S1 have stupid engineers and military officers.

http://lenta.ru/news/2013/05/21/target/

Cool- on the base of the Pantsir, a target-drone launcher is being created.

Tor-MU (delivered last year) and Pancir-S1 together at Kapustin Yar shooting ground with the task to shoot down 50 maneuverable targets

in heavy ECM environment. Nice.

When after conduction such tests PVO General says that Pancir-S1 performed efficiency and reliability destroying all

targets in difficult ECM conditions and at maximum distance out RPG friend here will just disregard the whole thing by calling PVO

General a liar. How lovely.

In May, at the Kapustin Yar calculations AAMS "Tor-MU" and ZRPK "Armour-S" will hit about 50 air targets


TSAMTO, May 21. At the end of May at the Kapustin Yar with staff air defense forces of the Southern Military District will be conducted live firing of air defense missile systems "Tor-MU" and ZRPK "Armour-S", the press service of the Southern Military District.


The latest air defense troops entered service in SOUTH late 2012 - early 2013. within the framework of the state defense order.


For the development of new weapons officers and soldiers, gunners for 3.5 months have been trained at the Training Center Air Defense Forces in the Krasnodar region, where studied the performance characteristics, basic maintenance and operational use of new weapons.


AAMS "Tor-MU" to detect and track up to a few tens of aerial targets at ranges up to 30 km and hit 4 targets simultaneously at a height of 10 km.


"Armour-S" on a number of parameters exceeds the foreign analogues. His military capabilities enable highly efficient fight with both existing and prospective facilities with an air attack.


In total, the doctrine attracted about 10 air defense systems. Martial calculations in a complex traffic situation in conducting electronic warfare will conduct reconnaissance aerial targets reflect tactical air strikes, destroy drones and precision-guided weapons submunitions imaginary enemy.


Total estimated AAMS "Tor-MU" and ZRPK "Armour-S" will hit about 50 air targets that are maneuvering to simulate single and multiple air targets in conditions of interference, said the press service of the Southern Military District.


LINK

Rpg type 7v wrote:

GarryB wrote:

The SA_22 missile is unified with the HERMES missile... the latter will come in a version with 100km flight range... presumably with a more powerful booster motor, of course the Pantsir-S1 is for defending larger SAMs like S-400 or Vityaz so extra range will make it more expensive without improving its ability to do its job...

There will be problem ,it has missiles mounted on top of the truck and a rotating turret , you cant just put bigger and heavier booster there ,it would effect Cg , rotating speed , gunns accuracy , you cant interchange missiles like s-300 systems or Vytaz...

That truck and turret is already at its limits it would be very hard to change Pantcir loadout with other missiles ,some new storage and launch metod is needed.

Most of the variants of Pantsir' (of an extremely wide range of variants, some unveiled and some not) are already set up to launch missiles with both the 170 mm diameter boosters and the 210 mm diameter boosters. This can clearly be seen by paying attention to the spacing between the missile canister mounting fixtures.

Morpheus

Sorry but is this a Pantsir-S1 system? It is taken in Vietnam. What's radar far away in picture? Thanks you

Karria wrote:Sorry but is this a Pantsir-S1 system? It is taken in Vietnam. What's radar far away in picture? Thanks you

Certainly looks like it. If I remember correctly it was TR1 who posted SIPRI report that Vietnam bought Pancir-S1.

Have you any more pictures of it?

Viktor wrote:

Karria wrote:Sorry but is this a Pantsir-S1 system? It is taken in Vietnam. What's radar far away in picture? Thanks you

Certainly looks like it. If I remember correctly it was TR1 who posted SIPRI report that Vietnam bought Pancir-S1.

Have you any more pictures of it?

No sorry . That Sipri's report and this picture is from the same guy in VN millitary forum. However, I doubt that he edited the Sipri's report (Arm deal in 2012 as S300, Panstir,Buk and Yak-130) cause I found nothing on Sipri's website. Do you have any source about them in Russia? Thanks you

Karria wrote:Sorry but is this a Pantsir-S1 system? It is taken in Vietnam. What's radar far away in picture? Thanks you

Yes, it is a Pantsir and the radar covered with net is Low Blow tracking radar for SAM-3.

Karria wrote:Sorry but is this a Pantsir-S1 system? It is taken in Vietnam. What's radar far away in picture? Thanks you

Great find.
Chalk another export for the Pantsir.

Karria wrote:No sorry . That Sipri's report and this picture is from the same guy in VN millitary forum. However, I doubt that he edited the Sipri's report (Arm deal in 2012 as S300, Panstir,Buk and Yak-130) cause I found nothing on Sipri's website. Do you have any source about them in Russia? Thanks you

Here it is. However It seems that SIPRI has removed this chart from its pages I check it out too.

http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201305241341-jebm.htm

First video from exercise in Kapustin Yar wit both Tor-M2 and Pantsir.