Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

Video from the Pantsir - TOR tests.

If I understood correctly, both performed well. But most of the commentary is about the TOR which engaged 4 targets simultaneously.

Why is it using hot launch missiles?

I though cold-launch was the standard for Pantsir now?

What's the smallest target the Tor or Pantsir can engage?

Could they shoot down mortars or other artillery? What about a simple qassam rocket?

Zivo wrote:What's the smallest target the Tor or Pantsir can engage?

Could they shoot down mortars or other artillery? What about a simple qassam rocket?

Well they shoot MANPAD sized targets moving at fast speeds, so I suspect it would not be a hard shot assuming it would be detected in time.

Qassam is doable for sure.

Nice pic:

07/04/12 REPORT ON THE SHORTCOMINGS ZRPK "ARMOUR-C1"

If that is your argument, excuse me while I laugh my ass off.

That is his WHOLE argument. He probably came across a similar debate on some other forum and now came here to share his "wisdom"

Zivo wrote:What's the smallest target the Tor or Pantsir can engage?

Could they shoot down mortars or other artillery? What about a simple qassam rocket?

Looks like MRL projectiles are part of it's target list..

According to the press service of the department, a new system based on "Pantsir-S" will be able to simultaneously run up to 12 targets, simulating cruise missiles and multiple rocket launchers.

http://lenta.ru/news/2013/05/21/target/

Back on topic. How long does is take for the Pantsir to reload? Are the missile tubes themselves removed and replaced? Or are the fresh missiles slotted in?

http://www.kbptula.ru/images/stories/kbp/prod/pvo/pantsir/tzm.jpg

Transporter-loader vehicle. Uses a crane to load missiles into place. They are however light enough to load by hand:
http://lelik1970.livejournal.com/4259.html

By the way, something funny:

Maximum overload ............................ 32 g

According to the manufacturers. So much for inadequate maneuverability lol.

"Most of the variants of Pantsir' (of an extremely wide range of variants, some unveiled and some not) are already set up to launch missiles with both the 170 mm diameter boosters and the 210 mm diameter boosters. This can clearly be seen by paying attention to the spacing between the missile canister mounting fixtures.

Morpheus"


One of the forum users had asked for pictorial support for the above assertion. For this purpose, one of the many (200+) pictures that I have on my computer which fit the bill is reproduced below.

As it can be observed the cylindrical openings for the insertion of launch containers, in the middle row of each of the banks of missiles, are designed to be large enough for accommodating the missiles with the larger 210 mm diameter boosters (among other sizes).

By the way, there are a few variants of Pantsir' family (and also a few variants of KBP Germes family) that do not allow for the missiles with the larger diameter boosters.

In the variant of launcher pictured here, 12 missiles with 210 mm boosters can be carried.



Morpheus

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/32913/?pid=341461#comments

Not new, but in the video Pantsir crew officer claim, that Pantsir could fire with both guns and missiles on the move up to the speed of 30 km/h.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:"Most of the variants of Pantsir' (of an extremely wide range of variants, some unveiled and some not) are already set up to launch missiles with both the 170 mm diameter boosters and the 210 mm diameter boosters. This can clearly be seen by paying attention to the spacing between the missile canister mounting fixtures.

Morpheus"


One of the forum users had asked for pictorial support for the above assertion. For this purpose, one of the many (200+) pictures that I have on my computer which fit the bill is reproduced below.

As it can be observed the cylindrical openings for the insertion of launch containers, in the middle row of each of the banks of missiles, are designed to be large enough for accommodating the missiles with the larger 210 mm diameter boosters (among other sizes).

By the way, there are a few variants of Pantsir' family (and also a few variants of KBP Germes family) that do not allow for the missiles with the larger diameter boosters.

In the variant of launcher pictured here, 12 missiles with 210 mm boosters can be carried.


Morpheus

I voted for your post and picture.
Can you please post a Pantsir picture the clearly shows that it does not take the 210mm booster?
Thanks in advance.

http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201305271821-6e6b.htm

It seems those exercises are far larger than just live firings with Tor and Pantsir.

TheArmenian wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:"Most of the variants of Pantsir' (of an extremely wide range of variants, some unveiled and some not) are already set up to launch missiles with both the 170 mm diameter boosters and the 210 mm diameter boosters. This can clearly be seen by paying attention to the spacing between the missile canister mounting fixtures.

Morpheus"


One of the forum users had asked for pictorial support for the above assertion. For this purpose, one of the many (200+) pictures that I have on my computer which fit the bill is reproduced below.

As it can be observed the cylindrical openings for the insertion of launch containers, in the middle row of each of the banks of missiles, are designed to be large enough for accommodating the missiles with the larger 210 mm diameter boosters (among other sizes).

By the way, there are a few variants of Pantsir' family (and also a few variants of KBP Germes family) that do not allow for the missiles with the larger diameter boosters.

In the variant of launcher pictured here, 12 missiles with 210 mm boosters can be carried.


Morpheus

I voted for your post and picture.
Can you please post a Pantsir picture the clearly shows that it does not take the 210mm booster?
Thanks in advance.

Armenian,

Thanks for your vote.

As far as I know, variants like the one depicted in the following picture does not accommodate the missiles with the 210 mm boosters.



Morpheus

Anyway another spinoff of the pantcir is in development this time a "lite" version with smaller missiles and less ammo rounds, for amphibious troops.
http://lenta.ru/news/2013/06/11/panzir/

 Read better. It's for airborn (VDV) units. It have to be lighter than standard Pantsir, that it could be air dropped with parashutes like all other BMDs.

Pantsir-S1 is produced for both Army and Air Force?

George1 wrote:Pantsir-S1 is produced for both Army and Air Force?

Currently, only for S-400 defense.

Not sure what Army plan is, but I suspect they are waiting for new chassis. Or not, who knows.

Navy is apparently very interested in naval Pantsir.

http://sp.rian.ru/images/14976/99/149769914.jpg

Unloading Pancir-S1 from Il-76









LINK

Yeah, almost over-saturated.

Great photos. Are they from Kamchatka?

medo wrote:Great photos. Are they from Kamchatka?

Yep!