Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

TR1 wrote:http://www.vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/0/arhprint/2309019

Good post, the REAL huge advantage of the Pantsir:

-Pantsir's missile costs a little more than 2 million rubles. Tor (9M330/9M331) : 8-9 million.
-Missiles like Barack and Aster-15 cost much more than Tor themselves.
-Supposedly a new hypersonic missile is being worked on to be used vs cruise missiles. Older missile (with bigger charge) will be used versus aircraft.

TR1 wrote:http://www.vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/0/arhprint/2309019

Good post, the REAL huge advantage of the Pantsir:

-Pantsir's missile costs a little more than 2 million rubles. Tor (9M330/9M331) : 8-9 million.
-Missiles like Barack and Aster-15 cost much more than Tor themselves.
-Supposedly a new hypersonic missile is being worked on to be used vs cruise missiles. Older missile (with bigger charge) will be used versus aircraft.

President showed samples created art here, including anti-aircraft missile system "Carapace-C1", capable of hitting air and ground targets. Height at which the "Carapace-C1" is capable of hitting a target, now is 15 kilometers, and a destructive force in the future will grow up to 40 kilometers. Now these machines are guarded airspace in the vicinity of Adler and Sochi.

medo wrote:http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/46190/

Now we know, where the third battery of Pantsirs from 2013 go. It go to Leningrad district (Kaliningrad or St. Petersburg?). Other two batteries went to Sochi and to Moscow.

In comment one was writing, that KBP prepare arctic version of Pantsir-S. Meybe it will be installed on Vityaz vehicle.

Austin wrote:http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140120/990263068.html



Putin visited the defense plant "Scheglowski shaft" in Tula

President showed samples created art here, including anti-aircraft missile system "Carapace-C1", capable of hitting air and ground targets. Height at which the "Carapace-C1" is capable of hitting a target, now is 15 kilometers, and a destructive force in the future will grow up to 40 kilometers. Now these machines are guarded airspace in the vicinity of Adler and Sochi.

TheArmenian wrote:The video from Vesti is now found on youtube:

GarryB wrote:The new hypersonic missile probably just has a much lighter missile section with a lighter payload. Most UAVs are light and don't require a large warhead to destroy them, so by making the missile lighter the rocket booster will accelerate the missile to higher speeds and likely be cheaper to make... so they can be used in large numbers.

I suspect the low cost of Pantsir-S1 will lead to that mockup of the truck mounted system that looked like a Grad launcher with 40 launch tubes ready to fire shown as part of teh HERMES system becoming viable with many of the loaded missiles dedicated to either ground attack (Hermes) or anti UCAV use with the hypersonic missiles loaded to stop a swarm attack.

In fact that could be another option... perhaps the new missile might have several slim missiles loaded on to each booster so one missile launched can split up after booster burn out into 3 or 4 missiles that can each be guided to a separate target.

That would mean being able to engage multiple targets close to each other with one launch with each of the guidance channels controlling one missile that can be separately guided to its own target to prevent the system from being overwhelmed... I guess it could also be used against incoming missiles that also don't require large warheads.. remember they said during tests the missiles and guidance system is so accurate direct hits were common... making such a missile an ideal choice for use against a threat like an A-10 or Ah-64 where a standard missile could be fired at the aircraft and the smaller multi missile fired at any weapons the aircraft happens to launch before the impact of the first missile...

Just an idea...

magnumcromagnon wrote:Maybe I'm late to the party, seems like that might actually be in the works, starting around 2:58 of the video there seems to be a new Pantsir system with 24 launch tubes:

xeno wrote:


Some guy post these from that video on MP.
Pantsir-SM with hyper-sonic missiles and 40km range will be ridiculously awesome.
The only thing, which is not good enough, is still PESA...

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

xeno wrote:


Some guy post these from that video on MP.
Pantsir-SM with hyper-sonic missiles and 40km range will be ridiculously awesome.
The only thing, which is not good enough, is still PESA...

Not that it is of any significance, but what makes you conclude that the radar/radars depicted are PESA?

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:Maybe I'm late to the party, seems like that might actually be in the works, starting around 2:58 of the video there seems to be a new Pantsir system with 24 launch tubes:

I the same video at 5:29, it seems they are talking about a bicaliber shoulder-fired surface-to-air missile of 10 km range. Anybody with the language skill can shed some more light on this part of the video?

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
Not that it is of any significance, but what makes you conclude that the radar/radars depicted are PESA?