Russia and Turkey

miketheterrible wrote:that pretty much it.

People here think Russia is a terrible place for people who are gay or black.  They think that they will be murdered on the streets by the police.

Russian tourism sucks because no one bothers to advertise Russia.  Even the World Cup, most people were afraid.  Afterwards they found out Russia was an awesome place and very hospitable.  But that was only because they went to go see it anyway.

Western propaganda will make Russia out to be like Orc Land.  Reality may be a whole lot different but most people won't know that.  They are stupid in general so they are believed whatever they hear.

Turkey is a NATO country, people think because of that, Turkey must be best place ever to visit.

Saudi Arabia and others are terrible for tourists, and is honestly a bad place to go to.  Yet people go travel there, as ISOS said.

Russia is inherently crap at advertising and promotion.

Tingsay wrote:
Russia should remain 90% Russian, don't care if its "Racist". Same is true for any self respecting nation that don't see perpetual economic growth as a sustainable future.
World is overpopulated(rare exception like Russia which is underpopulated).

People increase, Land doesnt.
Protect your nation, people culture and bloodline, please.

Vladimir79 wrote:
You confuse business investments with politics.  Turkey is not at our border, if they are set on fire is only good for us.   What do we need from trade with Turkey that we can't get form China?  They offer nothing and are just another market for oil and gas, that will be the case regardless if they are partitioned or not.  They are stealing tourists that should be vacationing in Sochi, not in Anatolia.  All of that money will be going back into the Russian economy.   The collapse of Turkey gives Armenia breathing space and makes threats from Azerbaijan nullified.  The NK issue can finally be settled, the Kurdish issue can finally be resolved, the Cyprus issue will end, the threats to Greece will be eliminated.  The existence of Turkey is a cancer on the region, their demise will be a relief to all.

Airman wrote:

What a hateful and disgusting message. I think that's why Russian tourists are visiting Turkey because there are very rude people in Russia just like you. My best advice too you is follow the forum rules. https://www.russiadefence.net/t7624-listen-carefully, That thread also was opened by you.

Russia is already lost control in Armenia, just like Ukraine and Georgia. Citizens of Armenia and It's Army forced Serzh Sargsyan to resign and Western-backed Nikol Pashinyan became Prime Minister and now he's waiting for a right time to backstab Russia. Also, Iran, your best ally in ME, doesn't want an independent Kurdish state in the Middle East. If you wanna set up a Kurdish State in the ME, Iran will cut relations with Russia. If the Kurds take over Iran, They can threat Russia by using the Caspian Sea, because this is what USA wants and the Kurds serve only for American interests.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Volodya, how do yoy imagine partition of Turdkey? Independent Kurdistan and what then?

What happens to Istanbul and the rest?

LMFS wrote:Disappointing comments above. A better system of international relationships cannot be based on considering countries cancers and dismembering them, independent of how noxious their current leadership can be. Every modern nation-state is a conglomerate of peoples, traditions and languages and hence subject to fractures and division, Russia being a prime example. Such attitudes coming from Russian nationals only lend legitimacy to current Russia-bashing hysteria and the attempts to break the country during the nineties. Thankfully current leadership understands what respect and constructive attitudes mean in the field of international relationships.

To summarize using a well-known phrasing, Erdogans come and go, the Turkish people stays.

LMFS wrote:

The borders will be changing... it is a matter of who comes out on top.  

LMFS wrote:
Perhaps you understand the same argument "partition is necessary for a safer world" can be applied to Russia too. Messing with borders under the excuse of past errors is the way to war not to peace. If countries need to change, they need to do it on their own decision and at their own speed. Don't believe the average Turk is wishing the destruction of Syria, the same I don't believe the average Russian is waiting their chance to subjugate everybody in the West. Normal people have no business in these insane schemes but end up paying the price of destabilization and wars.

Putin says Russia, Turkey reach compromise on Syria

Turkey's Purchases of Russian S-400, US Patriot Systems Not Connected - Kremlin

MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Kremlin believes that Turkey's possible purchase of US Patriot Missile System and of Russian S-400 Triumph air defense systems are not connected, and that Russia-Turkey contract on S-400 purchase will be continued, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Wednesday.

"These processes are not connected. In this case, we are implementing the agreements that we already have reached with our Turkish colleagues. You know that the project and the contract related to S-400 is being implemented, and it will be continued," Peskov told reporters.

Vladimir79 wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Volodya, how do yoy imagine partition of Turdkey? Independent Kurdistan and what then?

What happens to Istanbul and the rest?

Kurdistan and Armenia would eat up the Eastern third, Syria would get Hatay and a few other coastal provinces with Arabs in it.  The Euro side can be split up between Greece, Bulgaria and Russia gets a canal zone.  All of the islands and West coast go to Greece.  Turkey would be made up of the provinces around Ankara.  

Vladimir79 wrote:Now that Erdogan's ruling AKP party had their ass handed to them in local elections his hold to power is more precarious than ever.  It makes our hand all the stronger as he struggles to hold on.  I forsee Russian troops on Turkish soil in the not so distant future.