Russia and Turkey

GarryB wrote:I never said offer the Kurds full independence.

It really wont work if everyone gets exactly what they want because there are too many conflicting positions.

What I am suggesting is that to start with the Kurds might get greater autonomy in their region, but it would have to include agreements not to agitate in other regions... ie they can't be a base in kurdish syria for terrorist attacks in other kurdish regions like turkey and Iran and Iraq.

At the end of the day the only reason the lines on the map of the middle east are where they are is because that divided up the known and suspected oil reserves in the immediate post WWI period when British and French bureaucrats were dividing the spoils of war.

At the end of the day Syria is going to have to give something up to get back the peace and stability they want... They might be able to offer the Kurds a situation where the Kurds are happy and wont demand full independence... but that will come at the negotiating table... not from the barrel of a gun.

Of course, I never said you said it and I did not mean to imply it... I was merely responding to the point about Syria working with the Kurds, which it will be hard to do because the Kurds will probably initially demand full independence and Syria will have to negotiate to get them to accept less than that.

Russia’s Gazprom says exports to Turkey up 3.4 pct in January

Russian gas giant Gazprom said on Feb. 2 its gas exports to Turkey increased by 3.4 percent in January from the same month a year earlier to 2.82 billion cubic meters (bcm), said Chairman of the company’s management committee Alexey Miller on Feb. 2, adding that the country is still Gazprom’s second-biggest customer now.

“The demand for Russian gas is growing consistently on the key markets, including Turkey. According to the latest update, in January 2016 Gazprom’s supplies to the country increased by 3.4 percent compared with the same period in 2015 to 2.82 bcm. It should be pointed out that Turkey is still number two among biggest buyers of Russian gas. According to preliminary estimates, more than 27 bcm of gas has been supplied to Turkey in 2015,” he said, as quoted by TASS News Agency.

looks like it's back to normal before the shootdown

https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/4qf9iy/hassan_ridha_on_twitter_russia_has_begun_talks_to/

Turkey to open Incirlik base to Russia



Turkey may open its Incirlik airbase to Russia, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said, during an interview to TRT channel.

One area of cooperation with Russia is the fight against the Islamic State group in Syria, Cavusoglu said.

“We’ll cooperate with everybody against the militant group,” the Foreign Minister noted.

“We opened our Incirlik base to those who wanted to actively join the fight against IS. Why shouldn’t we collaborate with Russia in this issue?”

Turkey downed a Russian warplane near the Syria border on Nov. 24, 2015, resulting in a seven-month diplomatic freeze. President Erdogan helped thaw relations by sending a letter to Putin expressing his deep sorrow over the incident.

higurashihougi wrote:Yes, if only, if only they hadn't gone crazy in an uncontrolled instant...

https://www.rt.com/business/333257-turkey-russian-tourists-return/

Turkish PM Ahmed Davutoglu said the government expects Russian tourists to come despite tensions between Ankara and Moscow, as shrinkage in the sector was “unexpected.” Russia earlier urged tourists not to visit Turkey, citing security concerns.

there´s no "craziness" in eopolitics probably this was pindos provocation, what if Erdogan even did not know and this was done behing his back? This warming up and gas talks is clear move against USA. Who is doing everything to aggravate situation? who nas been fighting with Russia gas pipelines? who is starting war with Russia?

Turkey and Russia are COMING!

AND THIS TIME NO ONE CAN STOP THEM!

Russia is Turkey’s ‘eternal neighbor’: Turkish PM - http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/russia-is-turkeys-eternal-friend-turkish-pm.aspx?pageID=238&nID=101229&NewsCatID=510

'Assad the Enemy' to 'Assad the Brother': Ankara Prepares Shift in Strategy - http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160704/1042428007/turkey-syria-mending-relations-prospects.html?

Turkish MFA: Putin and Erdogan could meet before G-20 Summit in China - http://uawire.org/news/turkish-mfa-putin-and-erdogan-could-meet-before-g-20-summit-in-china?

Erdogan, Putin due to meet in person over thawing of bilateral ties

Source: Xinhua 2016-07-17 22:09:33

ANKARA, July 17 (Xinhua) -- Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan will meet with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin in the first week of August, Anadolu Agency reported Sunday.

It will be the first face-to-face meeting between Erdogan and Putin since Turkish warplanes downed a Russian jet last November.

The move came after a telephone call from Putin, according to the report.

The Russian president said he stood by Turkey's elected government and offered his condolences over the victims of Friday night's coup attempt.

Putin stressed there should not be anti-constitutional acts of violence, while wishing for restoring stability in the country.

In the telephone conversation, he also urged Turkey to ensure the safety of Russian tourists in the country.

Erdogan asserted that Turkey would take all the necessary measures, reported Daily News.

turkey blow

Russia attack jet turkish pilot abd agent...

Fetullah Gülen community

Turkey to Russia breaking...

Fuck America

Turkey exit NATO....

Turkiye enter Shangay 5

TurkMaster wrote:turkey blow

Russia attack jet turkish pilot abd agent...

Fetullah Gülen community

Turkey to  Russia breaking...

Fuck America

Turkey exit NATO....

Turkiye enter Shangay 5

but you´re not Mustafa ain´t ya?

Well it would be nice but there is no love in intl relations but business. It would be nice to align Russian and Turkish geopolitical interests though. Same as Russians achieved with China.

Target : Russian & Turk relations disrupt.

Turk Pilot abd agent Fetullah Gulen man.

Knowing Russian jet shot down.

ABd agent Turk Pilot. He was arrested to be executed

insallah Turkiye exit Nato ... Enter Shangay 5

JohninMK wrote:If you want to read chapter and verse on what a damp squib the Putin/Erdogan meeting was you could do no better than pop over to http://johnhelmer.net/?p=16253

Basically virtually nothing was achieved in what was basically a 3 hour meeting and Erdogan seems as belligerent as normal.

A case of too little, too late.

JohninMK wrote:Just look at Putin's expression
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What am I looking for? He looks like his usual cyborg self.

JohninMK wrote:If you want to read chapter and verse on what a damp squib the Putin/Erdogan meeting was you could do no better than pop over to http://johnhelmer.net/?p=16253

Basically virtually nothing was achieved in what was basically a 3 hour meeting and Erdogan seems as belligerent as normal.

What a bullshit.

The whole world will change with this meeting, they achieved a lot of things. It's a turnpoint in history.

Just look at what the international media wrote about it, maybe 1 milion articles about this meeting.

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Hot+Topics/Russia~Turkey

Erdogan: Turkey, Russia agree to jointly implement Turkish Stream

Baku, Azerbaijan, Aug. 11

By Rufiz Hafizoglu –

Turkey and Russia agreed to jointly implement the Turkish Stream pipeline project in Turkish territory, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan told reporters speaking on his visit to Russia, Haberturk newspaper reported Aug. 11.

Erdogan said 50 percent of the Turkish Stream’s construction will be carried out by Turkey and the remaining 50 percent will be done by Russia, according to the newspaper.

“There is no problem in Turkish Stream’s implementation,” noted the Turkish president.

Earlier, Turkey’s Petroleum Pipeline Corporation BOTAS expressed readiness to participate in implementation of the Turkish Stream, but Russia’s Gazprom refused.

During his meeting with Russia’s President Vladimir Putin in St. Petersburg Aug. 9, Erdogan noted that Turkey will implement the Turkish Stream project.

“The Turkish Stream will have two pipeline strings – through one of them the gas will be supplied for Turkey’s domestic consumption, and through another one the gas will be supplied to Europe,” he said.

Russia abandoned the South Stream project in favor of Turkish Stream in December 2014, which involves the construction of the gas pipeline from Russia to Turkey through the Black Sea.

However, the project was frozen after the relations between Moscow and Ankara deteriorated in November 2015.

http://en.trend.az/world/turkey/2569130.html

Akkuyu nuclear power plant turns into strategic investment

Strategic cooperation is underway with Russian nuclear energy company Rosatom to build Turkey's first nuclear power plant in Mersin.

In the aftermath of the meeting between President Erdoğan and Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday, Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım designated Akkuyu as a strategic investment base where the first steps will be taken. The incentive to be given to Rosatom will be further discussed. The Russian nuclear energy company will revive Turkey's first nuclear power plant Akkuyu, a project that was initially kick-started in the framework of an agreement signed between the two countries in 2010 and estimated to cost $22 billion. Along with Turkey's first-time implemented incentive system, the government will negotiate directly with Rosatom over the energy field, and the company will be provided with certain facilitations such as land, interest rate support in return for loans, energy discount and tax exemption.

Power plant will meet 10 percent of the country's energy requirements

A new page is turned by the construction of the Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant, which was planned within the scope of the international agreement signed with Russia six years ago, the fate of which became ambiguous following the jet crisis with Russia. When completed, the plant will have four reactors each producing 1,200MW of electrical power and will meet 10 percent of the country's energy requirement with a total energy production of 4,500MW. The project, which will have a 60 years operation span, is expected to be revived in 2022.

Turkey will sit at the table with Rosatom

Following the normalization process with Russia restarting after the downing of the Russian jet and President Erdoğan's meeting with Russian leader Putin on Wednesday, the Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant was given the status of strategic investment. In this context, talks with Russian energy giant Rosatom are expected to start soon. Turkey will sit at the table with the Russian energy company in a new bargaining method to be implemented for the first time in Turkey.

The company will be asked to state its demands

During meetings to be chaired by Prime Minister Yıldırım and attended by relevant ministers and Rosatom administrators, incentives that can be given in accordance with the company's demands will be discussed.

The government will ask Rosatom to state its demands, and within this scope, reasonable suggestions, such as land, interest rate support in return for loans, tax exemption, accessibility and energy discount, will be evaluated.

While Turkey's interests will be the priority in the meetings, the company's reasonable demands will be satisfied as well.

http://www.dailysabah.com/energy/2016/08/11/akkuyu-nuclear-power-plant-turns-into-strategic-investment

The Ottoman wrote:

JohninMK wrote:If you want to read chapter and verse on what a damp squib the Putin/Erdogan meeting was you could do no better than pop over to http://johnhelmer.net/?p=16253

Basically virtually nothing was achieved in what was basically a 3 hour meeting and Erdogan seems as belligerent as normal.

What a bullshit.

The whole world will change with this meeting, they achieved a lot of things. It's a turnpoint in history.

Just look at what the international media wrote about it, maybe 1 milion articles about this meeting.

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Hot+Topics/Russia~Turkey

Yes, it will change, just on the heels of a massive attack on Aleppo. K. I have this bridge to sell in New York.

Erdogan: Turkey, Russia can use national currencies in trade

12 August 2016 10:13 (UTC+04:00)

Baku, Azerbaijan, Aug. 12

By Rufiz Hafizoglu



Turkey and Russia can use their own national currencies in mutual trade, Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan told reporters on the results of his visit to Russia, Haberturk newspaper reported Aug. 12.

Erdogan believes that the use of national currencies in trade instead of dollar will benefit both Russia and Turkey.

Turkish president intends to increase the trade turnover with Russia, including up to a record figure – $100 billion. He made this statement on the results of negotiations with Russia’s President Vladimir Putin Aug. 9 in St. Petersburg.


“We reached the trade turnover of $35 billion, but after the November 2015 events it dropped to $28 billion, then even lower,” said Erdogan. “We have such a mechanism as the higher level of cooperation, which involves the strategic cooperation between the two countries.”

“We had a goal to achieve the turnover of $100 billion,” he added. “It is topical and we again want to achieve it with the help of this mechanism.”

The trade turnover between Turkey and Russia amounted to $8 billion in 1H2016, while this figure was $10-11 billion in the same period of 2015.

Turkey’s trade turnover with Russia totaled $23 billion in 2015, according to Turkish Statistical Institute.[/color]

http://en.trend.az/world/turkey/2569293.html[/b]

well, that will bold well for both the Lira and Ruble. Good for each country especially in tourism.