Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

and the last 3 go for 2018?? to be in service?

George1 wrote:and the last 3 go for 2018?? to be in service?

The remaining three for what moscow says will be in service around 2020 they will have the gas turbines by 2018 then they need to make sure they work, instill them on the ships finishing building the ships, sea trails etc.

Which is fine Russia doesn't NEED them its more of a nice thing to have.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

George1 wrote:and the last 3 go for 2018?? to be in service?

The remaining three for what moscow says will be in service around 2020 they will have the gas turbines by 2018 then they need to make sure they work, instill them on the ships finishing building the ships, sea trails etc.

Which is fine Russia doesn't NEED them its more of a nice thing to have.

Well i think that Russia do NEED them as there would not be enought ocean going ships in navy all of that time. Now it it clear that untin 2030-ies Russia will be in lack of big ships.

Interesting. But I agree that it will take time. Funny though, they make large nuclear based propulsion for ships which would be ideal to make for larger ships like the proposed Liner. And they were able to get a ship out in relatively quick time too (latest ice breaker).

sepheronx wrote:Interesting.  But I agree that it will take time.  Funny though, they make large nuclear based propulsion for ships which would be ideal to make for larger ships like the proposed Liner.  And they were able to get a ship out in relatively quick time too (latest ice breaker).

If I'm not mistaken, the Arktika won't be completed until 2018 - it has a ways to go yet.

Bridge looks a bit disappointingly small & basic? Presumably a CIC with the nice bits elsewhere?

Apologies for self-quote but here is some welcome clarification via Balancers'
Outer bridge

Inner/CIC with plenty of 'glass'

So I'd been thinking of the Shtil-1 as being a 50km range system per various online sources but with recent Buk-M3 test articles quoting 70km range/35km height with the same 3M317ME missile this has me wondering if the quoted 50km is the export version & Grigorovich will actually have 70km range?

Admiral Makarov.

Does anyone know what the little ball is either side of the hangar above the AK630?
Shell tracking radar or an EO/IR ball?

One thing the class seems to lack is EO/IR.
There are the periscopes on the bridge wings but I suspect they are of pretty limited capability, Gorschkov has both those & a pair of EO/IR balls up the mast as well as EO/IR on the Palash mounts.

Frigate "Admiral Makarov" transferred to the factory sea trials



http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2007116.html

GarryB wrote:Don't know where it came from but that idea of the multi pagoda type structure is very very stupid... it reduces internal volume while greatly increasing the number of corners which is bad from a stealth perspective... and it looks stupid.

GarryB, not sure if this issue was reported by the press in New Zealand but in the UK it is been widely circulated. It seems the UK's Type 45 Destroyers is breaking down on a daily basis because its engines are not able to cope with the warm water of the Middle East.

I am concerned because several Russian ships uses Ukranian engines and they are not known for performing well in warm water. So, in your assessment is their a possibility that Russian destroyers,frigates, cruisers will face similar issues if they venture into warm water?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/07/destroyers-will-break-down-if-sent-to-middle-east-admits-royal-navy

P.S: On a separate note the Royal Navy has a reputation of abandoning ships in troubled waters

It is hard to say without more information, but I would prefer Russian boats be able to handle really cold water and ice as a primary concern and warmer water as a lower priority.

Of course considering the great maritime power the British used to be I think it is amusing their ships can't handle warm water... made more amusing by the western claims that they invade countries like Afghanistan in search of warm water ports.

Clearly the issue is engine cooling and their cooling system requiring cooler water for the process of keeping the engines cool... I suspect the problem is volume rather than incoming water temperature as being able to pump through more water would allow better cooling of the engines.

Any of that type of issues should have been identified & sorted on the first batch of Talwars , if not quickly at least before India ordered the 2nd batch.

Also they have separate high speed/low speed turbines + separate diesel generators.

jhelb wrote: I am concerned because several Russian ships uses Ukranian engines and they are not known for performing well in warm water. So, in your assessment is their a possibility that Russian destroyers,frigates, cruisers will face similar issues if they venture into warm water?

also Indian Talwar class and Vietnamese Gepard class frigates, so they perform bad? may I kindly ask about source? BTW engines were Ukrainian not Soviet design?

According to several websites the last 3 grigorovich frigates are to be sold, preffereble to india as russia wont have engines for it.
Is it the end for grigorovich, and russia will only build Gorshkovs as frigates?
That would leave BSF with only 3 modern frigates for a long time. Although they will beef up with corvettes i think.

runaway wrote:According to several websites the last 3 grigorovich frigates are to be sold, preffereble to india as russia wont have engines for it.
Is it the end for grigorovich, and russia will only build Gorshkovs as frigates?
That would leave BSF with only 3 modern frigates for a long time. Although they will beef up with corvettes i think.

I have seen no official news of this, Just them saying they could.

Russia will have the engines soon it makes zero sense to sell off the hulls if the engines are a year away just to make new hulls.

The Navy claims it will have operational engines by 2016-17 after the government got involved with the company to force the matter.

runaway wrote:According to several websites the last 3 grigorovich frigates are to be sold, preffereble to india as russia wont have engines for it.
Is it the end for grigorovich, and russia will only build Gorshkovs as frigates?
That would leave BSF with only 3 modern frigates for a long time. Although they will beef up with corvettes i think.

Old rumors. Those last three Grigorevich ships will built and wait until engines become available. Once installed they will be going to BSF. After that they are switching to Gorshkovs.

We were posting about that here somewhere several months ago.

If anything I expect the ongoing issues with Gorshkov (also pending domestic engines) are likely to result in more Grigorovich orders. (at least if the engines do arrive in good time)

Grigorovich is in Novorossyk, hangin out with Mikhail Kutuzov http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2033512.html



Regarding the ball above the AK-630s this is a good shot

I think it is an EO ball with the lenses facing down (for protection?).
Something very similar to the ball on this which Dima posted previously

hoom wrote:If anything I expect the ongoing issues with Gorshkov (also pending domestic engines) are likely to result in more Grigorovich orders. (at least if the engines do arrive in good time)

Engines aside only remaining problem Gorshkov has is with new Redut AA missiles.

Even in hypothetical worst case scenario where missiles never work (extremely unlikely) they can just load standard missiles and be good to go.

Both UKSK and Redut launchers are standardized so missiles can be swapped easily.

There will be no more Grigorovich frigates after these six, at least not for Russian Navy.

The only problem with my Lamborghini is that I don't have a Lamborghini

hoom wrote:The only problem with my Lamborghini is that I don't have a Lamborghini

Lamborghini in question is being finalized so that comparison does not apply.

Lamborghini has been being worked on for 10 years & still isn't in my garage with no sign of appearing soon.

hoom wrote:Lamborghini has been being worked on for 10 years & still isn't in my garage with no sign of appearing soon.

Then you should just go away then and go buy a new house and garage and dont come back to this one.

Your metaphor sucks.  Your opinion sucks, and frankly, your posting sucks too and I don't see the point of you being here then besides being an idiot troll.

They are building engines, and fixing up a brand new air defense system that will out do what the competitors have.  So bugger off already, you are not proving anything other than being pretty much a mongloid.

hoom wrote:Lamborghini has been being worked on for 10 years & still isn't in my garage with no sign of appearing soon.

The gas turbine replacements for ex-Soviet production in Ukraine are coming out in 2017. So don't worry your little head.