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a Polish Mil-24 (Hind) entered into Belarusian aerospace at low level, Poland denies it even though Belarus released a video of said incident
Godric Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:06 pm
a Polish Mil-24 (Hind) entered into Belarusian aerospace at low level, Poland denies it even though Belarus released a video of said incident
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Manpad it and stop crying and being called stupid. Won't happen again.
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It is good they called them out on this incursion because if they had just shot it down Poland would have gone crazy saying it just got lost.
The fact that they denied it happened clearly shows it was on a specific mission so when it happens again and they are quick to deny it is happening... they can shoot it down then... because it is not there.
The fact that they denied it happened clearly shows it was on a specific mission so when it happens again and they are quick to deny it is happening... they can shoot it down then... because it is not there.
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First of all, one must take a closer look at the event with a connection of two Belarusian aircraft that violated the border a while ago.
Belarussian crafts has not been spotted by the Polish AD or army, but ... visually by some local population.
MoD tried to cover that first, only to blow the whistle after when it turned out to be impossible, civilians already has spoken.
Polish heli is clearly being monitored from the very beginning by some aerial recon tool - probably a drone.
See the difference?
Belarussian crafts has not been spotted by the Polish AD or army, but ... visually by some local population.
MoD tried to cover that first, only to blow the whistle after when it turned out to be impossible, civilians already has spoken.
Polish heli is clearly being monitored from the very beginning by some aerial recon tool - probably a drone.
See the difference?
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Maybe Poland should buy some russian radar and AD systems. 
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Poland needs to mind itself. That Article 5 is a piece of paper - Uncle Luka has live nuclear warheads on his command.
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Hole wrote:Maybe Poland should buy some russian radar and AD systems.
Actually, we have some, and not necessarily Russian
Radwar produces a hell of a radars.
But you know, if one has to pay bribes so high, there are no leftovers for the local producers ...
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Poland ordered 23 batteries of the Narew anti-aircraft missile system with CAMM-ER anti-aircraft missiles
On September 5, 2023, during the defense industrial exhibition MSPO-2023 that opened in Kielce (Poland), the Minister of National Defense of Poland, Mariusz Blaszczak, approved contracts with the Polish consortium PGZ-Narew for the supply of the Polish Army with the main elements of the advanced Narew short and medium-range air defense system in accordance with framework agreement in 2021. The first contract provides for the supply of 138 iLauncher self-propelled launchers for 46 Narew anti-aircraft missile systems (three launchers each) and, accordingly, 23 batteries (two air defense systems each). The second - the contract provides for the supply of "more than 1000" MBDA CAMM-ER medium-range anti-aircraft guided missiles and additional equipment for these air defense systems, along with the transfer of technology. Deliveries are planned from 2027 to 2035.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4747466.html
Poland signed an agreement for the purchase of the second batch of anti-aircraft missile systems Patriot
On September 5, 2023, during the MSPO-2023 defense industrial exhibition that opened in Kielce (Poland), Polish Minister of National Defense Mariusz Blaszczak approved a signed agreement with the US Department of Defense (in the form of an exchange of Letters of Offer and Acceptance - LOA between governments) for the supply of through the American Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program of intergovernmental foreign military sales, six more batteries of American Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems in the PAC-3 + configuration with the new Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD) Battle Command System (IBCS) ). This agreement means the implementation of the second stage of the Polish Wisla program to create an integrated air defense and missile defense system based on the Patriot air defense system and the IBCS system.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4747079.html
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https://www.saab.com/newsroom/press-releases/2023/saab-unveils-first-airborne-surveillance-system-for-poland
Saab has presented the first Saab 340 Airborne Early Warning (AEW) aircraft to the customer during a ceremony in Linköping. The event took place in Linköping on 29 September, just two months after Poland placed an order for two AEW aircraft. wrote:
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AWACS for ants. 
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Poland received the first AW149 helicopters
On October 30, 2023, at the base of the 25th Air Cavalry Brigade (25 Brygada Kawalerii Powietrznej im. Księcia Józefa Poniatowskiego) of the Polish Ground Forces in Nowy Glinnik (Lodz Voivodeship), a ceremony was held to receive the first two AW149 multi-purpose helicopters manufactured by the Italian company Leonardo . The ceremony was attended by Polish Minister of National Defense Mariusz Blaszczak. One of the first two Leonardo AW149 multi-role helicopters received by the Polish Army Aviation (Polish tail number "6701", serial number 49104, former Italian military number CSX82112).
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4770079.html
On October 30, 2023, at the base of the 25th Air Cavalry Brigade (25 Brygada Kawalerii Powietrznej im. Księcia Józefa Poniatowskiego) of the Polish Ground Forces in Nowy Glinnik (Lodz Voivodeship), a ceremony was held to receive the first two AW149 multi-purpose helicopters manufactured by the Italian company Leonardo . The ceremony was attended by Polish Minister of National Defense Mariusz Blaszczak. One of the first two Leonardo AW149 multi-role helicopters received by the Polish Army Aviation (Polish tail number "6701", serial number 49104, former Italian military number CSX82112).
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4770079.html
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Poland ordered another 152 K9 self-propelled howitzers from South Korea
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/poland-buys-more-k9-howitzers-south-korea-26-billion-deal-2023-12-01/
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/poland-buys-more-k9-howitzers-south-korea-26-billion-deal-2023-12-01/
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A very interesting and much telling news.
Back in June, formal documents has been signed concerning increasing orders for artillery ammunition of 155mm and optional 120 mm mortar ones. A frame deal was just detailed.
Now some further details were revealed, which can help us do some math.
The formal order covers "hundreds of thousands" 155 mm rounds for 10 bln PLN - roughly 2.5 bln $
Ammunition is to be delivered in 2024-2029.
And the order is an end effect of "multiplying" Dezamet production capacity, which was cited to be "close to the war production level".
They operate a 700+ staff in a 3 shift system, 5 days a week.
A serious modernization project was carried in 2019-2022, making it equipped with some of the latest production lines in Europe.
Soooo ... we are talking a sub 1 mln rounds (and that is only if we consider a max toll for "hundreds of thousands"), to be delivered in 5 years.
Dezamet is one of the Europe's largest ammunition producers.
After upgrades, and working in 3 shift system, can supply less than 200k rounds a year.
Of different types - as was revealed in the documents - it is unclear to me if we are considering different types of 155 cal, or 155 and 120 cal combined.
For 2.5 bln $.
It makes a whole story of supplying Ukrs with 3 mln rounds in total by the EU military industry for 2 bln euro simply a fairy tale.
Back in June, formal documents has been signed concerning increasing orders for artillery ammunition of 155mm and optional 120 mm mortar ones. A frame deal was just detailed.
Now some further details were revealed, which can help us do some math.
The formal order covers "hundreds of thousands" 155 mm rounds for 10 bln PLN - roughly 2.5 bln $
Ammunition is to be delivered in 2024-2029.
And the order is an end effect of "multiplying" Dezamet production capacity, which was cited to be "close to the war production level".
They operate a 700+ staff in a 3 shift system, 5 days a week.
A serious modernization project was carried in 2019-2022, making it equipped with some of the latest production lines in Europe.
Soooo ... we are talking a sub 1 mln rounds (and that is only if we consider a max toll for "hundreds of thousands"), to be delivered in 5 years.
Dezamet is one of the Europe's largest ammunition producers.
After upgrades, and working in 3 shift system, can supply less than 200k rounds a year.
Of different types - as was revealed in the documents - it is unclear to me if we are considering different types of 155 cal, or 155 and 120 cal combined.
For 2.5 bln $.
It makes a whole story of supplying Ukrs with 3 mln rounds in total by the EU military industry for 2 bln euro simply a fairy tale.
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Lets be super generous and say 300K projectiles are being made over a projected for a 5 year period from 2024 to 2029, for 2.5 billion.
That is a maximum of 60,000 shells a year for 5 years at a cost of about $8,300 per shell.
The factory is already set up and production line is working and workers are already trained so this is the cost of making a shell in Poland.
More importantly the entire reserve stocks of HATO and EU countries needs to be replaced with new build stuff that wont be any faster to make or cheaper to make.
The Russians were firing 60,000 shells a week in this minor conflict they are not calling a war.
The west has learned nothing, or they know the cost of real preparation would destroy their economies.
That is a maximum of 60,000 shells a year for 5 years at a cost of about $8,300 per shell.
The factory is already set up and production line is working and workers are already trained so this is the cost of making a shell in Poland.
More importantly the entire reserve stocks of HATO and EU countries needs to be replaced with new build stuff that wont be any faster to make or cheaper to make.
The Russians were firing 60,000 shells a week in this minor conflict they are not calling a war.
The west has learned nothing, or they know the cost of real preparation would destroy their economies.
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No no no.
It is "hundreds of thousands" in total, that is why I put the number as high as possible.
If the order would hit or overrun 1 mln, that would have been named.
So we can talk about any number in < 1 mln range, so let's consider <200k a year.
It still makes >$2500 a piece ...
And is quite close to a number of $3200 per piece given at some point. The difference can be only because of the scale - nobody has ordered such numbers for years.
It is "hundreds of thousands" in total, that is why I put the number as high as possible.
If the order would hit or overrun 1 mln, that would have been named.
So we can talk about any number in < 1 mln range, so let's consider <200k a year.
It still makes >$2500 a piece ...
And is quite close to a number of $3200 per piece given at some point. The difference can be only because of the scale - nobody has ordered such numbers for years.
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These nwek nibbas are caught once more writing checks their ass can't cash. Loans for arms - I see where Zelensky gets the idea.
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On February 28, 2024, the Armament Agency of the Ministry of National Defense of Poland signed a framework agreement with the Polish company AMZ-Kutno SA for the supply of 286 advanced wheeled combat reconnaissance vehicles LOTR Kleszcz ("Tick") to the Polish Army in the period 2025-2035. The first executive contract under this agreement is due to be signed this year.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4806651.html
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4806651.html
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Poland purchases Swedish Carl-Gustaf M4 anti-tank grenade launchers
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4807655.html
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4807655.html
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Poland buys hundreds of US-made JASSM missiles with a range of 1,000 km
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One of our trustful newspapers just revealed, that Rheinmetall failed to fulfill 2022 contract for 50000 155mm ammo...
The reason is hilarious : they were to produce those in South African subdivision Rheinmetall Denel, but SA government blocked supply as probably heading Ukraine ...
The reason is hilarious : they were to produce those in South African subdivision Rheinmetall Denel, but SA government blocked supply as probably heading Ukraine ...
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The plant is not very far from where I live and I have some friends that works at Rheinmetall. Good for them!
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What is hilarious here, are the given numbers ...
2 years are not enough to fulfill a 50k ammo order.
And it has been subcontracted to its division ... in Africa.
We are talking about one of the biggest MIC in the west.
Only 5 years ago, it would be called a bluff and Russkie propaganda
2 years are not enough to fulfill a 50k ammo order.
And it has been subcontracted to its division ... in Africa.
We are talking about one of the biggest MIC in the west.
Only 5 years ago, it would be called a bluff and Russkie propaganda
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I wonder if they produce Soviet calibre artillery ammo... perhaps Russia should order 300K shells in 152mm calibre to send to them when the conflict ends... they can put it into storage to replace shells already fired and as a thank you to Denel by giving them some work too... except I suppose it is German owned, so maybe some sort of reward that would benefit the workers who might suffer because of this... and the government that blocked the transfer...