U.S Military encirclement of China

What do you guys think of this article by Forbes about the US Navy could sink the entire Chinese fleet but at a cost; If you read some of the comments, it says that US submarine technology capability is unknown to Russia and China.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/01/10/the-us-navy-submarine-force-could-sink-the-chinese-fleet-and-save-taiwan-but-at-the-cost-of-half-its-boats/?sh=31ecb4f63c36

If you read some of the comments, it says that US submarine technology capability is unknown to Russia and China.

Forbes is not a military expert source... the equivalent of saying the super secret and super powerful US fleet of SSNs could sink the Chinese fleet because they don't understand how capable it is, is like saying the stealth fighter fleet of the US... B-2s and F-35s and F-22s are so super advanced and capable that they would wipe the floor with the Taliban and Afghanistan would be safe and peaceful in a year, three years at most.

The problem is that in the real world the size of your military force and your budget means diddly squat, the concept of david defeating goliath is the reverse of what most people think... david was not the weak third worlder that defeated goliath the super power.

A rock with a sling in the hands of someone who knows how to use it properly is a very dangerous ranged weapon.... david was the west using technology to defeat the enemy hoards represented by one giant... goliath... but as we know in the real world that hasn't even happened all that often either... Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Mogadishu, etc etc etc.

Israel has the unconditional support of the US which means they are technically a super power too, but their existence is miserable and always under threat... they are as much in prison as the Palestinians they wall up in Ghettos.

Ironically the US could have redirected the trillions of dollars it gave to their own MIC and the richest billionaires in the US and just handed that over to Afghanistan to fix everything and make it a modern prosperous country where young men can get good jobs and raise families and have a safe secure future, but instead they spent the money on bombs and bullets and Guantanimo holding cells...

Air Force General Tells His Officers 'War With China' Only 2 Years Away



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/air-force-general-tells-his-officers-war-china-only-2-years-away

Air Force General Tells His Officers 'War With China' Only 2 Years Away



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/air-force-general-tells-his-officers-war-china-only-2-years-away

Makes Kissinger's efforts to partner up with China to isolate Russia, or all the Washington Post propaganda about China distancing themselves from Russia (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/30/china-russia-ukraine-xi-putin/) - look all the more ridiculous

Do they think the Chinese were born yesterday?

Some PR nonsense going on, although it is funny to watch the Indian man complain about China.

Also, does a balloon qualify as an aircraft??

Dang, so much target practice.

Dang, so much target practice.

They are doing to China what they did to Russia... build up alliances and move bases closer to their border all the while crying about their aggressive behaviour and how dangerous they are and how the world community should do something about them.

Didn't end well for those European countries, and wont end up well for Asian countries stupid enough to listen to those war mongering .

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This is relevant because Australia does not need SSNs.

SSKs are defensive subs and would do an excellent job defending Australian waters.

You only need SSNs if you want to go into enemy waters and sink their ships and interfere in their shipping.

But in this case Australia needs nuclear powered submarines so they will pay for and support ports that can operate nuclear powered subs so the US can base their nuclear powered subs in Australia so Chinese nukes wont all be pointing at the US and they can be based much closer to Asia...

Remember China is the aggressor... (NOT).

The US and its minions think that they will dictate to China on it foreign trade. This "pivot to Asia" is an attempt to terrorize Chinese trade shipping. Somehow these
terrorists think that China will have no response. As if the US and vassal navies will just sail around doing as they please without consequence. This sort of
arrogance would fly if China could not defend itself from US nuclear ICBMs and had none of its own. Then the US could threaten annihilation to any Chinese
defence of its shipping. But clearly this is not the case. China will sink US and vassal ships (including submarines) if they attack Chinese civilian vessels.
So the intimidation racket is not going to work.

The yap about the US having a war with China in a couple of years is a manifestation of the congenital idiocy of US deciders. The US is going to park some
carrier groups near China and score a "win"? How is China not going to sink precious US carriers? Again, the foundation of US "thinking" is based on the
supposed fear and inability of China to respond to their aggression. These clowns think that Russia is the same sort of "nothing burger" also. It is the US
that is the real nothing burger. It has experience dealing with defenceless small countries. It has no experience dealing with peer competitors and it has
atrophied its military production capacity after 1990. Two years my ass.

Binkov being silly again.

Interesting article from last year.

U.S. wants to surround China with missiles–but can’t find Asian country to host them

The United States plans to spend tens of billions of dollars to surround China with missiles. But it’s having trouble finding an Asian country willing to host the offensive weapons.

The U.S. military commissioned a study from the RAND Corporation, a Pentagon-backed research group, to assess the feasibility of deploying intermediate-range missiles to the Pacific.

The study closely analyzed the U.S. government’s relations with its five treaty allies in the region: Australia, Japan, the Philippines, South Korea, and Thailand.

Citing “an inability to find a willing partner,” the RAND report concluded that the chance of these nations hosting U.S. ground-based intermediate-range missiles “is very low as long as current domestic political conditions and regional security trends hold.”.............

https://mronline.org/2022/06/06/u-s-wants-to-surround-china-with-missiles-but-cant-find-asian-country-to-host-them/

Japan looks like it will be keen to host them. Thailand has experienced a colour coup so maybe it is another candidate.

AlfaT8 wrote:Binkov being  silly again.

Why bother advertising this NATO servant?

Do we have a Taiwan war thread yet ? I think we need a separate thread for this coming war.

There's some Youtubers waxing on about how China has learned from the Ukraine situation yada yada yada.

Basically the main lesson from the Ukraine war is go in big, go in hard and the longer you wait, the worse it will inevitably be. So if China has learned that, then what are they waiting for ? There is already zero negotiations, zero prospect of negotiations and red lines crossed. China failed to keep a US proxy war party from taking control of the island. That ship has sailed. They have no choice but war.

What could be a better time to attack than the next 2 years ? While the US is demilitarizing itself in Ukraine ?

China is going to rue the day that it let the last 2 years pass without solving the Taiwan problem. But it is unlikely to for the same reason Russia didn't attack Ukraine. Bureaucratic and diplomatic inertia just moves slow. And there's elements of denialism in the govt too.

Taiwan is in the 2019 Ukraine phase

Taiwan plans to increase defense spending by 3.5% to a record 606.8 billion local dollars (19 billion US dollars) in 2024, according to the budget proposal submitted by the government to the island's leader, Tsai Ing-wen.

This new spending figure represents the largest amount Taiwan has ever allocated to defense and is around 2.5% of GDP.

If approved by Tsai Ing-wen, the defense budget will be referred to the Legislative Yuan, the island's Parliament, for a vote.

The Taiwanese military's main arms supplier is the US.
In mid-July, US Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley said that Washington and its allies need to speed up arms supplies to Taiwan to increase its capacity of self defense.

"The rate at which we, the United States, or other countries, assist Taiwan in improving its defense capabilities, I think probably needs to accelerate in the coming years," Milley said. According to the senior military officer, the island needs weapons such as air defense systems and those that can attack ships from land.

Backman wrote:Taiwan is in the 2019 Ukraine phase

Taiwan isn't the Ukraine, there's hardly any Taiwanese itching for a fight with China. Just about everyone who lives on the Island knows they can't win an outright war with China, even with America's help. Also, Taiwan isn't terrorizing and killing ethnic Chinese in their country (unlike the deluded Ukrainians whom are basically Russians anyway but will never acknowledge it) nor are they developing chemical, biological, nuclear or other types of weapons that would be a strategic threat to China.

It's a political fight for the right to rule all of China that Taiwan lost decades ago, there's no amount of hardware the US can pour into the country that will allow them to successfully defend themselves against China, and unlike the US, China would rather resolve this without violence anyway. They're not going to preemptively invade just for shits and giggles.

The only similarities between Taiwan and the Ukraine is the US trying to weaponize both countries to use as cannon fodder against their geopolitical rivals, they won't succeed with Taiwan as they people there are not rabid Sinophobes with a suicidal hatred against China.

^ Do you have some polling data that backs that up ? Not that it matters what the ppl think. Zelensky was voted in on a peace ticket. The ukraine  population wasn't itching for war. 

A US proxy regime that is pushing for war is in power in Taiwan. That is what determines if there will be war or not.

Do you think the Taiwan army is going to refuse to fight ?

The companies with the most power and the most money in the US are related to weapons manufacturing, but the core difference between Russia and China is that China is fully integrated into the west because it is the production sweat shop for the west... kids making stuff at prices nobody in the west would work for making maximum profit for the company running that sweatshop.

To fight China their economic sanctions will be more destabilising to the world economy than the conflict in the Ukraine ever was, and China does not have to pull any punches in such a situation.

China still has US bonds and there are lots of things they could do to the US economically to cause serious damage, but then even just promoting and expanding BRICS is going to finish the west as an economic and political and military block... even more so when all the money and energy and time invested into the Ukraine to try to damage Russia gives them zero returns... who is going to pay the west for the hundreds of billions of dollars worth of weapons they have already sent... and the new stuff is only going to be more expensive... they will be charging full rates for those F-16s so probably 120 million each... the sort of money you could get an F-35 for, though the F-16 would be cheaper to operate and would be fully functional...

China can wait... they know their economy is only getting better and Americas economy is getting more and more in debt and those in charge do nothing about it... only one way that could possibly end...

Only a matter of when. I'd say anytime and 4 years. 5 years would be too late for China


https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20230903_03/

NHK has learned that troops from Taiwan took part in a US-sponsored multi-national military exercise held in the mid-western state of Michigan for about one month from late July.

Sources have revealed that Taiwanese troops took part in Operation Northern Strike, an annual multi-national exercise hosted by the Michigan National Guard.

NHK has learned that troops from Taiwan took part in a US-sponsored multi-national military exercise held in the mid-western state of Michigan for about one month from late July.

Sources have revealed that Taiwanese troops took part in Operation Northern Strike, an annual multi-national exercise hosted by the Michigan National Guard.

Ohh, nooo... those US trained Taiwanese troops will devastate the Chinese forces... the way the Ukrainian troops after 8 years of western training devastated Russian forces, and after 20 years of training those Afghan government forces painted the mountains in Taliban red.

Except western training doesn't mean shit if you don't have air power and artillery support for which most western training and doctrine is based around.

Strip those things away and also take away massive numbers of reserves that the west can bring and you find yourself rather in trouble.

Makes Kissinger's efforts to partner up with China to isolate Russia, or all the Washington Post propaganda about China distancing themselves from Russia (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/30/china-russia-ukraine-xi-putin/) - look all the more ridiculous

Do they think the Chinese were born yesterday?

Pretty clear even the Biden admin is not that stupid and know they can't talk Russia into working with the US against China... even if they promised to drop all the sanctions I doubt they would. So clearly they have decided to look to India to counter China and from the posting of Indian posters here recently it seems to be gaining traction.

Divide and conquer. Lets see if they are so stupid as to let the US do to them what the British did for so long...

From the outside it is very amusing they hate the Chinese and love the Americans and the British...

GarryB wrote:
Pretty clear even the Biden admin is not that stupid and know they can't talk Russia into working with the US against China... even if they promised to drop all the sanctions I doubt they would. So clearly they have decided to look to India to counter China and from the posting of Indian posters here recently it seems to be gaining traction.

Divide and conquer. Lets see if they are so stupid as to let the US do to them what the British did for so long...

The US likes to wait about a Generation or 2 after F*cking over a country before recruiting a fresh batch of useful idiots to do their bidding against whomever the current "Tyrannical regime of the day" is. For india it's been about 3-4 decades since the embargoes, sanctions, threats and military support for Pakistan against them so the current crop of indians either forgot, won't remember or don't care how the US and NATO treated them back then because "it's different now".

The US has succeeded in re-polarizing the world so they plan on running their Cold War racket all over again.

Too bad for these hubris brain rot c*nts, this time around the world does not want them and their racket. They will have to fight the
whole planet unlike in the first Cold War where they could scare countries with the "commie threat". The only threat this time around
is the US empire.

This military alliance between militaristic Japan and South Korea sponsored by Robinette won't last long.

While keeping good relationships with Pyongyang, Beijing might put forth the idea of a security deal with Seoul.