U.S Military encirclement of China

What do you guys think of this article by Forbes about the US Navy could sink the entire Chinese fleet but at a cost; If you read some of the comments, it says that US submarine technology capability is unknown to Russia and China.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/01/10/the-us-navy-submarine-force-could-sink-the-chinese-fleet-and-save-taiwan-but-at-the-cost-of-half-its-boats/?sh=31ecb4f63c36

If you read some of the comments, it says that US submarine technology capability is unknown to Russia and China.

Forbes is not a military expert source... the equivalent of saying the super secret and super powerful US fleet of SSNs could sink the Chinese fleet because they don't understand how capable it is, is like saying the stealth fighter fleet of the US... B-2s and F-35s and F-22s are so super advanced and capable that they would wipe the floor with the Taliban and Afghanistan would be safe and peaceful in a year, three years at most.

The problem is that in the real world the size of your military force and your budget means diddly squat, the concept of david defeating goliath is the reverse of what most people think... david was not the weak third worlder that defeated goliath the super power.

A rock with a sling in the hands of someone who knows how to use it properly is a very dangerous ranged weapon.... david was the west using technology to defeat the enemy hoards represented by one giant... goliath... but as we know in the real world that hasn't even happened all that often either... Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Mogadishu, etc etc etc.

Israel has the unconditional support of the US which means they are technically a super power too, but their existence is miserable and always under threat... they are as much in prison as the Palestinians they wall up in Ghettos.

Ironically the US could have redirected the trillions of dollars it gave to their own MIC and the richest billionaires in the US and just handed that over to Afghanistan to fix everything and make it a modern prosperous country where young men can get good jobs and raise families and have a safe secure future, but instead they spent the money on bombs and bullets and Guantanimo holding cells...

Air Force General Tells His Officers 'War With China' Only 2 Years Away



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/air-force-general-tells-his-officers-war-china-only-2-years-away

Air Force General Tells His Officers 'War With China' Only 2 Years Away



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/air-force-general-tells-his-officers-war-china-only-2-years-away

Makes Kissinger's efforts to partner up with China to isolate Russia, or all the Washington Post propaganda about China distancing themselves from Russia (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/30/china-russia-ukraine-xi-putin/) - look all the more ridiculous

Do they think the Chinese were born yesterday?

Dang, so much target practice.

They are doing to China what they did to Russia... build up alliances and move bases closer to their border all the while crying about their aggressive behaviour and how dangerous they are and how the world community should do something about them.

Didn't end well for those European countries, and wont end up well for Asian countries stupid enough to listen to those war mongering .

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This is relevant because Australia does not need SSNs.

SSKs are defensive subs and would do an excellent job defending Australian waters.

You only need SSNs if you want to go into enemy waters and sink their ships and interfere in their shipping.

But in this case Australia needs nuclear powered submarines so they will pay for and support ports that can operate nuclear powered subs so the US can base their nuclear powered subs in Australia so Chinese nukes wont all be pointing at the US and they can be based much closer to Asia...

Remember China is the aggressor... (NOT).

AlfaT8 wrote:Binkov being  silly again.

Why bother advertising this NATO servant?

Do we have a Taiwan war thread yet ? I think we need a separate thread for this coming war.

There's some Youtubers waxing on about how China has learned from the Ukraine situation yada yada yada.

Basically the main lesson from the Ukraine war is go in big, go in hard and the longer you wait, the worse it will inevitably be. So if China has learned that, then what are they waiting for ? There is already zero negotiations, zero prospect of negotiations and red lines crossed. China failed to keep a US proxy war party from taking control of the island. That ship has sailed. They have no choice but war.

What could be a better time to attack than the next 2 years ? While the US is demilitarizing itself in Ukraine ?

China is going to rue the day that it let the last 2 years pass without solving the Taiwan problem. But it is unlikely to for the same reason Russia didn't attack Ukraine. Bureaucratic and diplomatic inertia just moves slow. And there's elements of denialism in the govt too.

Taiwan is in the 2019 Ukraine phase

Taiwan plans to increase defense spending by 3.5% to a record 606.8 billion local dollars (19 billion US dollars) in 2024, according to the budget proposal submitted by the government to the island's leader, Tsai Ing-wen.

This new spending figure represents the largest amount Taiwan has ever allocated to defense and is around 2.5% of GDP.

If approved by Tsai Ing-wen, the defense budget will be referred to the Legislative Yuan, the island's Parliament, for a vote.

The Taiwanese military's main arms supplier is the US.
In mid-July, US Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley said that Washington and its allies need to speed up arms supplies to Taiwan to increase its capacity of self defense.

"The rate at which we, the United States, or other countries, assist Taiwan in improving its defense capabilities, I think probably needs to accelerate in the coming years," Milley said. According to the senior military officer, the island needs weapons such as air defense systems and those that can attack ships from land.

Backman wrote:Taiwan is in the 2019 Ukraine phase

Taiwan isn't the Ukraine, there's hardly any Taiwanese itching for a fight with China. Just about everyone who lives on the Island knows they can't win an outright war with China, even with America's help. Also, Taiwan isn't terrorizing and killing ethnic Chinese in their country (unlike the deluded Ukrainians whom are basically Russians anyway but will never acknowledge it) nor are they developing chemical, biological, nuclear or other types of weapons that would be a strategic threat to China.

It's a political fight for the right to rule all of China that Taiwan lost decades ago, there's no amount of hardware the US can pour into the country that will allow them to successfully defend themselves against China, and unlike the US, China would rather resolve this without violence anyway. They're not going to preemptively invade just for shits and giggles.

The only similarities between Taiwan and the Ukraine is the US trying to weaponize both countries to use as cannon fodder against their geopolitical rivals, they won't succeed with Taiwan as they people there are not rabid Sinophobes with a suicidal hatred against China.

^ Do you have some polling data that backs that up ? Not that it matters what the ppl think. Zelensky was voted in on a peace ticket. The ukraine  population wasn't itching for war. 

A US proxy regime that is pushing for war is in power in Taiwan. That is what determines if there will be war or not.

Do you think the Taiwan army is going to refuse to fight ?

The companies with the most power and the most money in the US are related to weapons manufacturing, but the core difference between Russia and China is that China is fully integrated into the west because it is the production sweat shop for the west... kids making stuff at prices nobody in the west would work for making maximum profit for the company running that sweatshop.

To fight China their economic sanctions will be more destabilising to the world economy than the conflict in the Ukraine ever was, and China does not have to pull any punches in such a situation.

China still has US bonds and there are lots of things they could do to the US economically to cause serious damage, but then even just promoting and expanding BRICS is going to finish the west as an economic and political and military block... even more so when all the money and energy and time invested into the Ukraine to try to damage Russia gives them zero returns... who is going to pay the west for the hundreds of billions of dollars worth of weapons they have already sent... and the new stuff is only going to be more expensive... they will be charging full rates for those F-16s so probably 120 million each... the sort of money you could get an F-35 for, though the F-16 would be cheaper to operate and would be fully functional...

China can wait... they know their economy is only getting better and Americas economy is getting more and more in debt and those in charge do nothing about it... only one way that could possibly end...

Only a matter of when. I'd say anytime and 4 years. 5 years would be too late for China


https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20230903_03/

NHK has learned that troops from Taiwan took part in a US-sponsored multi-national military exercise held in the mid-western state of Michigan for about one month from late July.

Sources have revealed that Taiwanese troops took part in Operation Northern Strike, an annual multi-national exercise hosted by the Michigan National Guard.

NHK has learned that troops from Taiwan took part in a US-sponsored multi-national military exercise held in the mid-western state of Michigan for about one month from late July.

Sources have revealed that Taiwanese troops took part in Operation Northern Strike, an annual multi-national exercise hosted by the Michigan National Guard.

Ohh, nooo... those US trained Taiwanese troops will devastate the Chinese forces... the way the Ukrainian troops after 8 years of western training devastated Russian forces, and after 20 years of training those Afghan government forces painted the mountains in Taliban red.

Except western training doesn't mean shit if you don't have air power and artillery support for which most western training and doctrine is based around.

Strip those things away and also take away massive numbers of reserves that the west can bring and you find yourself rather in trouble.

Makes Kissinger's efforts to partner up with China to isolate Russia, or all the Washington Post propaganda about China distancing themselves from Russia (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/30/china-russia-ukraine-xi-putin/) - look all the more ridiculous

Do they think the Chinese were born yesterday?

Pretty clear even the Biden admin is not that stupid and know they can't talk Russia into working with the US against China... even if they promised to drop all the sanctions I doubt they would. So clearly they have decided to look to India to counter China and from the posting of Indian posters here recently it seems to be gaining traction.

Divide and conquer. Lets see if they are so stupid as to let the US do to them what the British did for so long...

From the outside it is very amusing they hate the Chinese and love the Americans and the British...

GarryB wrote:
Pretty clear even the Biden admin is not that stupid and know they can't talk Russia into working with the US against China... even if they promised to drop all the sanctions I doubt they would. So clearly they have decided to look to India to counter China and from the posting of Indian posters here recently it seems to be gaining traction.

Divide and conquer. Lets see if they are so stupid as to let the US do to them what the British did for so long...

The US likes to wait about a Generation or 2 after F*cking over a country before recruiting a fresh batch of useful idiots to do their bidding against whomever the current "Tyrannical regime of the day" is. For india it's been about 3-4 decades since the embargoes, sanctions, threats and military support for Pakistan against them so the current crop of indians either forgot, won't remember or don't care how the US and NATO treated them back then because "it's different now".

https://www.rt.com/news/582189-indonesia-pentagon-china-russia/

Indonesia rubbishes Pentagon’s ‘joint statement’ on China and Russia

“There is no joint statement and no press conference. What is important for me to underline is that our relationship with China is very good. We respect each other, we already have mutual understanding. I conveyed that in the US,” he said, adding “We are close friends with China, we respect America, and we seek friendship with Russia.”

The Pentagon missive, published on August 24 was titled ‘United States DoD and Indonesia MoD Joint Press Statement’ and took on a different tone. It claimed that both the US and Indonesia “shared the view that the People’s Republic of China’s (PRC) expansive maritime claims in the South China Sea are inconsistent with international law.” It also went on to “jointly” condemn Moscow’s actions in Ukraine, demanding a “complete and unconditional withdrawal” of Russian forces.

Did anybody see Greta Thunberg "How dare you ?"

https://www.rt.com/news/582875-pentagon-pacific-airbase-china/

The US Air Force is stripping away tracts of jungle in Micronesia to make room for new airfields, a senior commander said, noting the move is part of plans to bolster American forces in the Indo-Pacific.

Speaking to reporters at an event hosted by the Air and Space Forces Association, Pacific Air Forces Commander General Kenneth Wilsbach described efforts to refurbish defunct US air bases – including a World War II-era installation on Tinian, a small island near Guam.